An HDV GL3 more possible now?

Bob Zimmerman · March 3rd, 2006, 03:42 AM

I've always thought it would be a big seller. It probably won't happen now. It will have to be HDV/DV.

Bob Zimmerman · March 3rd, 2006, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw

For me the FX1 offers the most for the price, and the lack of XLR inputs is easily solved by adding an adapter. If you really want built-in XLR the A1U would probably be my next choice, followed by a used Canon XL2.

P.S. I don't know why Canon doesn't offer XLR inputs on their GL line, but my guess is to maintain some distinction for their more expensive products.

I was in a Apple store and saw some great video from a FX1

Graham Bernard · March 3rd, 2006, 03:53 AM

Bob, yes, yes it is.

All that detail. C'mon Mr Canon!

Grazie

Bob Zimmerman · March 3rd, 2006, 04:31 AM

It's a long ways to Japan.

Xavier Etown · March 3rd, 2006, 09:19 PM

Speaking about the XLR inputs....is there a discernible difference in the audio quality between cams with built-in XLR or those using adapters?

Andrew Khalil · March 3rd, 2006, 09:38 PM

in terms of actual audio quality, I'd say no, but they usually sound better because they are less balanced which makes them less prone to interference from lights and stuff and they can also use phantom power which makes things a lot simpler.

Xavier Etown · March 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM

So Andrew, which adapters would you recommend? Isn't this option cheaper than the high markup prices we see in the pro version cameras with built-in XLRs?

Andrew Khalil · March 3rd, 2006, 11:11 PM

In all honesty, I haven't had very much experience with XLR adapters. Where I do most of my video work, we had an XL1 up until last year where we ended up getting an XL2, and since then, I've used the XL2 for most of the work. We often record audio completely seperate from the cameras then add it in post. As long as the cable going from the adapter to the camera is short, I don't see a reason why the quality would degrade. I have heard about issues dealing with phantom power since many of the adapers offer it, but don't actually give a full 48 volts of power, which means the mic operates at a lower level, introducing more noise. Other than that, from what I've heard around the board, Beachtech (did I spell it correctly?) makes some very good adapters. Depending on the camera you're using, you can get the adapter with a 1/8 inch (regular headphone size) output or dual RCA which I think is preferrable because it's more robust and the signals are fully seperate. In the end though, I think any cameras coming out for our section of the market will include XLR inputs as standard, since many new cameras already have them, and like I said, they're a lot better than the alternatives.

Evan C. King · March 4th, 2006, 05:17 AM

With hdv 1080i 24f and 20x zoom in gl2 form factor for 3500 street price they'd move units faster than they could put them on the shelves....

Graham Bernard · March 4th, 2006, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evan C. King

With hdv 1080i 24f and 20x zoom in gl2 form factor for 3500 street price they'd move units faster than they could put them on the shelves....

Yeh, but . .No, but, . . . Yeah but . . No but . . that would meeeen, guy, that 'ere in London it would be like £3500 - yeah? And that's like £1,000 more than a SONY FX1? Yeah . . . ? Hey guy! That's Minging!

We wont see it for what would be the exchange rate - £1750-ish. If it got here for something UNDER 2k, then it WOULD fly. But then that would place it ONLY £600 over the now exsisting XM2 - yeah?

Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face?

Grazie

Paul Doherty · March 4th, 2006, 07:14 AM

[QUOTE=Graham Bernard]
Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face?

/QUOTE]

This might need translating for a largely N American audience!

It's a reference to a wonderful surly teenage character created by English comic Catherine Tate.

Bob Zimmerman · March 4th, 2006, 09:40 AM

[QUOTE=Paul Doherty]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Bernard

Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face?

/QUOTE]

This might need translating for a largely N American audience!

It's a reference to a wonderful surly teenage character created by English comic Catherine Tate.

I thought he just lost his mind!!

Graham Bernard · March 4th, 2006, 11:34 AM

[QUOTE=Bob Zimmerman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Doherty

I thought he just lost his mind!!

Ah! Found it! Thanks Bob for the reminder, just remembered where I left it.

Grazie

Graham Bernard · March 4th, 2006, 11:57 AM

Hey Guys! You noticed something for this THREAD?

Posts: 73

Views: 2116

That's a Ratio

Views : Threads

of:-

30:1

I'd say that means that's HEAPS of interest in this thread!!!

Keep it up people!

Grazie

Bob Zimmerman · March 4th, 2006, 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=Graham Bernard]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Zimmerman

Ah! Found it! Thanks Bob for the reminder, just remembered where I left it.

Grazie

Great,,,,,I'm glad you are back.

March 4th, 2006, 11:57 AM	#74
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	30 : 1 ratio! Hey Guys! You noticed something for this THREAD? Posts: 73 Views: 2116 That's a Ratio Views : Threads of:- 30:1 I'd say that means that's HEAPS of interest in this thread!!! Keep it up people! Grazie

March 3rd, 2006, 03:42 AM	#61
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	I've always thought it would be a big seller. It probably won't happen now. It will have to be HDV/DV.

March 3rd, 2006, 03:53 AM	#63
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Bob, yes, yes it is. All that detail. C'mon Mr Canon! Grazie

March 3rd, 2006, 04:31 AM	#64
Bob Zimmerman Major Player Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 888	It's a long ways to Japan.

March 3rd, 2006, 09:19 PM	#65
Xavier Etown Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 71	Speaking about the XLR inputs....is there a discernible difference in the audio quality between cams with built-in XLR or those using adapters?

March 3rd, 2006, 09:38 PM	#66
Andrew Khalil Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 424	in terms of actual audio quality, I'd say no, but they usually sound better because they are less balanced which makes them less prone to interference from lights and stuff and they can also use phantom power which makes things a lot simpler.

March 3rd, 2006, 10:07 PM	#67
Xavier Etown Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 71	So Andrew, which adapters would you recommend? Isn't this option cheaper than the high markup prices we see in the pro version cameras with built-in XLRs?

March 3rd, 2006, 11:11 PM	#68
Andrew Khalil Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 424	In all honesty, I haven't had very much experience with XLR adapters. Where I do most of my video work, we had an XL1 up until last year where we ended up getting an XL2, and since then, I've used the XL2 for most of the work. We often record audio completely seperate from the cameras then add it in post. As long as the cable going from the adapter to the camera is short, I don't see a reason why the quality would degrade. I have heard about issues dealing with phantom power since many of the adapers offer it, but don't actually give a full 48 volts of power, which means the mic operates at a lower level, introducing more noise. Other than that, from what I've heard around the board, Beachtech (did I spell it correctly?) makes some very good adapters. Depending on the camera you're using, you can get the adapter with a 1/8 inch (regular headphone size) output or dual RCA which I think is preferrable because it's more robust and the signals are fully seperate. In the end though, I think any cameras coming out for our section of the market will include XLR inputs as standard, since many new cameras already have them, and like I said, they're a lot better than the alternatives.

March 4th, 2006, 05:17 AM	#69
Evan C. King Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 532	With hdv 1080i 24f and 20x zoom in gl2 form factor for 3500 street price they'd move units faster than they could put them on the shelves....

March 4th, 2006, 07:14 AM	#71
Paul Doherty Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Sherburn, England Posts: 136	[QUOTE=Graham Bernard] Am I bovvered? Am I? Am I bovvered? Am I? Look at my face? /QUOTE] This might need translating for a largely N American audience! It's a reference to a wonderful surly teenage character created by English comic Catherine Tate.