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Dave Eanton April 26th, 2005 02:23 PM

XL3 HD by July???
 
I am not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I came across this HD link suggesting that canon will announce an XL3 HD solution by July.

http://www.digitalproducer.com/artic...e.jsp?id=32066

I, for one, can't wait!
Looks Good.

Nigel Moore April 26th, 2005 02:41 PM

Depends on how you read it:
Quote:

“WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A HDV XL2!!!???”.

The answer comes in the form of a cryptic reply that was stated loosely as, “In the second half of the year, Canon will have five or six announcements that should answer your question.”
So, sometime before 31 December, Canon may make an announcement of a future product. So it could actually be a year from now.

Richard Alvarez April 26th, 2005 02:42 PM

I think the chance of seeing an operating XL3 in hd or hdv by July is almost non-existant. My guess, is that by November, Canon will make an ANNOUNCEMENT about it's plans, but no actual product until AFTER July of next year, at the earliest.

So I think seeing anything in a concrete form, even a mock-up is well over a year away.

Kevin Wild April 26th, 2005 06:15 PM

As is repeated around here a lot, Canon does not usually make announcements unless their product is very close to being ready to ship. I still would guess that the HDV product they'll have out first is the GL3...not the full blown XL3. Keep waiting for that one...

KW

Greg Boston April 26th, 2005 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Wild
As is repeated around here a lot, Canon does not usually make announcements unless their product is very close to being ready to ship. I still would guess that the HDV product they'll have out first is the GL3...not the full blown XL3. Keep waiting for that one...

KW

Very true Kevin. Another thing that gets repeated here alot is to take a look at Canon's product introduction history. If one does the math, it's very possible that a GL3 could show up sometime this year. Any such announcement from Canon would likely be at DVEXPO East, but this is all speculation on everyone's part. One thing IS certain, Canon announced that the XL-2 would be the last SD camera offering when the XL-2 was introduced..

-gb-

Brent Ray April 27th, 2005 12:13 AM

If Canon released an XL3 in July, it would be the worst economic decision they, or any large corporation, has ever made.

They just released the XL2, and have invested a lot of money in its success. It would be corporate suicide to release the XL3 only 7 months later. All of that time and money put into the XL2 would be completely lost, and they might as well say goodbye to their already lackluster XL2 sales. It just doesn't make any sense from a business standpoint to release the XL3 for at least another year.

It would be nice from a consumer standpoint, though.

Dave Eanton April 27th, 2005 12:57 AM

"It would be corporate suicide to release the XL3 only 7 months later."

I am not sure Brent. Canon needs to say or promise something. Given the market segment that would purchase this type of camera, this summer's XL2 buyers will most likely buy JVC that offers both HD and SD with interchangable lenses than what the XL2 offers - and almost at the same price too. If Canon doesn't do something in July when the JVC is expected, I am not sure what purchaser would pass up that option.

If I was looking to purchase a camera in the summer and Canon didn't announce anything, I would certainly purchase the JVC or Pana over the XL2 at that point.

In my case, Canon ends up winning as I would end up purchasing 2 of their cameras in less than 7 months!

Dave Eanton April 27th, 2005 01:04 AM

...of course, I always keep thinking that Canon will provide a HD Conversion Kit option to convert your existing XL2 into an HD cam. And that mysterious film grain button would provide the SD to HD switch :)

...you never know....

Stephen Schleicher April 27th, 2005 07:40 AM

As I postulated in my article, my guess is Canon will have a GL3 before the XL3. The comment about the second half of the year starting in July was a joke aimed at Mike Zorich who made the claim about announcements.

My guess is we will see the XL3 by November/December with it shipping in February, just in time for packed booths at NAB 2006.

Cheers!

Dave Eanton April 27th, 2005 09:50 AM

Stephen, any thoughts on whether it will do 1080p?

Brent Ray April 27th, 2005 11:10 AM

Well an announcement by July is feasable. That may even be an intelligent move, because then the diehard Canon customers may wait for the XL3 before buying the JVC or another brand. I was just saying that actually releasing a brand new camera this soon is like basically saying, "The XL2 was a mistake, don't buy it."

Luis Caffesse April 27th, 2005 01:55 PM

"Well an announcement by July is feasable. That may even be an intelligent move, because then the diehard Canon customers may wait for the XL3 before buying the JVC or another brand. "

That would make sense.
What suprised me was the comment that the announcements would NOT be made in conjunction with any major trade show.

DV Expo East is in July, and that is usually Canon's event for showing off new cameras. Also, I find it odd to think that they would make an announcement without actually having a camera ready for release within 1-2 months.
That seems to be Canon's M.O.

I can't remember anytime they announced a camera far in advance.

I would expect that by the time they make any sort of announcement, they will have a working model to show off, and ready to ship within a few months.

Then again, perhaps they will change their strategy this time around as it seems that so many people are clammering for an HDV answer from Canon, and silence may just breed contempt from a lot of Canon supporters who may feel they are being left behind.

I would love nothing more than to think that Canon will come out with an HD camera that didn't rely on MPG2 compression, but I doubt that's going to happen (seeing as they are part of the HDV consortium).

Either way, exciting stuff to be sure.
I wouldn't be suprised to hear something from them by July/August.
Right around the time the JVC camera starts shipping, and right before the HVX is released.

Stephen Schleicher April 28th, 2005 07:38 AM

I have no idea if it would be 1080p... but here is some futher "speculation".

Most of the new HDV cameras will have a 16:9 native chip, and I don't think it would be a stretch for Canon to go the extra mile to make it 1080p, switchable to the other formats. Canon did point out their wait and see attitude has paid off in the past.

While talking with Mike Z from Canon, he did say the announcements would not coincide with major shows - he could have been s-ing me, but...

It was also brought to my attention by Canon that they do not do technology demos unless the product is near shipping. So a July release for a XL3 would be very iffy in my opinion - GL3 on the other hand...

Cheers

Zack Birlew April 29th, 2005 09:42 AM

I don't know what Canon could do that already hasn't been done. Unless they could somehow stretch HDV to its limits for progressive and interlaced shooting on all modes, then they've got nuttin' except the JVC or Sony labled with a Canon logo instead.

What would be interesting is if Canon found a way or bought the rights to make their cameras in true HD rather than HDV and possibly with tape or integrated hard disk recording right off the bat. Another good thing would be to give their camera more bandwidth, say 25-50mbps instead of 19mbps.

In any case, I'm definitely going Panasonic when I can afford it, until then I've got to get new HD gear. =/

Michael Struthers April 29th, 2005 02:11 PM

In order to better HDV, Canon would have to license another codec, say the panasonic dvcpro50, like Ikegami does.

Or they could license Sony's xdcam codec.

Or they could make up their own codec like jvc, but they have to get the major NLE's to hop on board. Apple might, but I doubt if Vegas will.

And all that takes time and lots of money, so I guess it will be an HDV cam.

Unfortunately.

Lawrence Bansbach April 30th, 2005 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Felis
I don't know what Canon could do that already hasn't been done. Unless they could somehow stretch HDV to its limits for progressive and interlaced shooting on all modes, then they've got nuttin' except the JVC or Sony labled with a Canon logo instead.

Canon could do a lot. In his DigitalProducer.com article "JVC Clarifies ProHD Announcement: JVC's Dave Walton clears up a few misconceptions now prevalent in end-user community" (here), Charlie White quotes Walton: "There has also been some confusion regarding the intent and features of the HDV format, in part due to information published since its announcement in 2003. Therefore, we would like to make you aware of these points: The 24p mode and LPCM (Linear quantization PCM recording) record/playback capability have been part of HDV format since it was established." Up to this point, everyone has stated -- apparently erroneously -- that 24p isn't part of the HDV spec. If indeed it is, Canon could make a sub-$3,000 3-chip, 24p-capable GL3. Better still would be the inclusion of XLR jacks, manual fixed HD zoom, and (drum roll) half-inch CCD or CMOS chips. Also, higher data rates, hard-disk recording (especially for the higher data rates), and both 720p and 1080i (both with 24p).

Aaron Koolen May 1st, 2005 01:58 AM

And pigs would fly......I'm not banging on Canon, but I sincerely believe that when they do come out with a camera, it will be just like the others - nothing special. They will still have their non manual lens system, no way would they put in 1/2" chips on the GL series, they'd go with smaller than the XL series, so we might still see 1/4" jobbies on that cam. They'd probably ditch XLR's on a GL3 and save that for the XL3 that will come out a year or so later.

Sure, they could do lots, but if their past is anything to go by, they won't.

This is not meant as a troll at all. It's more of a viewpoint from someone disappointed with Canon's attitude to the video world regarding their cameras. I love competition, as it drives innovation. Given that premise, because Canon are not competitors (They follow) I don't believe they will innovate. Cameras don't seem like a big part of their market when it comes down to it.

Aaron

Giroud Francois May 1st, 2005 03:09 AM

the best move from canon would be to say in july:
Ok guys, we admit the mistake with the XL-2, so we will release in february the HDV version of the XL-2 , with HDV disk recording.

So they keep all the XL-x lovers, bring a HDV camera with removable lense (they are not so many for instance)
They just need to adapt some firewire drive (by february we will have a lot of them HDV capable as Firestore and citidisk already announced some).and redesign a bit the XL-2 (just changing the camera head in fact, since the DV transport mechanic can be the same).
I doubt they will totally forget about tape, as so many people are reluctant to disk only recording. But a camera with hardisks in cartridge instead DV tapes would be something very new.
and if they design a clever new HD lens, they can even expect to sell some to XL-2 owner who wants to get this new High quality lense on their SD camera.

Nigel Moore May 1st, 2005 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giroud Francois
a camera with hardisks in cartridge instead DV tapes would be something very new.

Ar you suggesting something like a microdrive? A format that allows you to find a point in a recording without having to rewind/forward tape would be very nice.

Lawrence Bansbach May 1st, 2005 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Koolen
And pigs would fly......I'm not banging on Canon, but I sincerely believe that when they do come out with a camera, it will be just like the others - nothing special.

I think the question was, what could they do, not what would they do. And you're basing your expectations about Canon's HD/HDV strategy on their DV track record. When the XL1 and the GL1 were released, DV was already a commodity, even in the prosumer market. I count only four HDV models on the market so far, and two are really higher-level siblings of the other two. JVC's HD100, which will arrive in a couple of months, as yet is an unknown, and Panasonic's HVX200 is still a prototype. Canon has plenty of room to distinguish their offerings.

Quote:

. . . [N]o way would they put in 1/2" chips on the GL series, they'd go with smaller than the XL series, so we might still see 1/4" jobbies on that cam.
Geez, I hope not. HD resolution on a third-inch CCD is difficult to achieve while maintaining reasonable light sensitivity. Barring a significant breakthrough in imager technology, an even smaller chip would only make matters worse. I doubt they'd want to get stuck marketing a severely handicapped product.

Michael Pappas May 1st, 2005 11:29 AM

Well, one thing is very different at Canon now. This man showed me my first HD camera in the 1980's in Hollywood.


Larry Thorpe,

Mr.Thorpe is a veteran Sony executive ( since 1982 ) that led the company’s efforts to bring high- definition electronic cinematography to the film industry and has since joined Canon U.S.A. in 2004.

Larry Thorpe is Canon’s new national marketing executive for the broadcast and communications division. Mr. Thorpe being at Canon is no accident. He has a wealth of knowledge that Canon will use and I believe this is going to lead to Canon aiming it Cannons more accurately into the battle HD acquisition technology.



Current article on the HVX200 removable Lens possibility

http://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/do_hvx...ream_of_lenses


Michael Pappas
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James Rhodes May 5th, 2005 10:07 AM

Why leave us in the Dark
 
I ordered my XL2 the day i found out it was announced, I sold my XL1s camera 5 months prior. Now 7 months later NAB passes and no word from Canon ! not even anything about the SDK, I mean comeon guys. I thought the XL2 was intentionally over-engineered. SO you let NAB go by with out ever a mutter of news about the XL2

Lets face it guys, canon does not appriciate our business. We spend 5k on a camera that will be out of date in 7 months, and Canon isn't fighting or giving any reasons why people should choose the XL2 over HDV. I rent my XL2 in LA and I haven't had but like 2 rentals since the sony came out. The only thing canon has over the comp is interchangeable lenses, and that is soon enough gonna be changed. I feel that canon is losing thier grip on the market. I love my XL2 but it doesnt make sense to keep from a business standpoint, am I wrong ?

Canon why don't you love us die hard XL fans ? why do you leave us in the dark about your plans ? why can't you make something to quell our questions ? We are getting nervous and about to sell our XL2s (plural ). Is this how you treat your customers ?

I don't personally like the HDV format so far, but I go where the customer wants to go. And that looks liek the new AGX200 form panasonic.

Pete Bauer May 5th, 2005 10:47 PM

James and everyone,

In this thread and numerous others that are found by perusing DVinfo or keywording in the search function, the same ground is covered many times, including the SDK, the fact that NAB isn't traditionally a Canon Consumer Division show, etc...

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=44116 (basically the same topic as this thread, but in the XL2 forum)

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=43388 (recent SDK thread)

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=43306 (speculation about various cameras, including a "GL3")

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=43229 (How will Canon react? - doesn't pre-announce)

...folks have been repeating the same gripes and speculations about things over which they have no control and often little or no factual information. It is no secret whatever that Canon chooses not to pre-announce their cameras, nor do they post on message boards; that's their practice. A lot of customers may not like it, but that's the way it is.

Truth is Canon DOESN'T love you. Nor does JVC, nor Panasonic, nor Sony, nor... They design and build products to sell and make a profit. They compete to create supply for our demand. Good thing, too, otherwise we'd still be painting on cave walls. They each have their own corporate culture and business models. None of them sold any of us a camera that came with a promise to feed us information on that camera's successor, or even make continued announcements about the camera after its release. Some companies choose to introduce "products" that are nothing more than concepts, others float "trial balloons" at trade shows, others introduce prototypes, others announce their product when it is ready to ship.

Our only vote in that nondemocratic process is our purchase of a camera (or not), and then only if we have chosen to weigh marketing strategy in our buying decision.

Of course only you can answer your question about whether or not you should keep your XL2. But if it is a business tool, I'll go out on a limb and say that love of the camera shouldn't enter into that decision. What matters is whether it is the best cost-to-revenue option for you at present. If something else is intentionally over-engineered better for your needs and actually available, dump the XL2 and buy that something else.

Personally, yeah, I'd like for Canon to be more communicative. But I accept that each corporation does things its way. When there is a convergence of actual availability of the Next Great Camera (NGC) and a strong enough desire on my part for its mix of features, then I'll sell the XL2 and buy the "NGC." I openly speculate that Canon isn't sitting on its collective backside watching the world pass it by, so my "NGC" may well be a Canon product -- whether I know what they're up to right now or not. And if they're lurking on DVinfo, they know I'd be very happy for that to come to pass. If someone does trump them when I'm looking to buy, it'll be someone else's "NGC." And if they're lurking, they'll know that, too.

This is Area 51...so let's come up with new speculation rather than old, rehashed gripes!

My speculation: Canon will reserve HDV for the consumer market and release a model or two by year's end. Just before the Panasonic HVX200 starts shipping, Canon will announce something with a codec better than HDV that will compete head-to-head with the Panny. This new Canon will thus start to ship shortly after the HVX200 does.

Luis Caffesse May 6th, 2005 12:00 AM

Perfectly said Pete.......

well, except for the part about Canon introducing a camera with a codec better than HDV.
:)

As far as I know, Canon has never introduced a new codec.
But, I guess there is a first time for everything though.

Michael Pappas May 6th, 2005 12:12 AM

You wanna know what heard down a long grape vine. H.264 can be used.

I don't ------ about h.264, but is that even possible...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis Caffesse
Perfectly said Pete.......

well, except for the part about Canon introducing a camera with a codec better than HDV.
:)

As far as I know, Canon has never introduced a new codec.
But, I guess there is a first time for everything though.


Pete Bauer May 6th, 2005 06:35 AM

Yeah, Luis, it would be breaking new ground and I'd agree it is unlikely Canon would build a new codec in-house from scratch. Historically, that isn't what they do. It actually didn't even occur to me that they would create the codec themselves. Then again, as I understand it (maybe the long-time pros here can confirm if this is true?), Panasonic developed the DVCProHD codec as a gamble, and won.

My read is that Canon is sticking to its practice of quietly preparing whatever NGC it is that will go head-to-head with the competitors' pre-announced cams, and one way or another it'll have to do better than HDV to compete. Panasonic did it with their codecs; maybe Canon is ready to try its hand at codecs, too? Agreed that based on history, they're more likely to license an existing codec -- or maybe partner with a software ally to introduce a new one, rather than go it alone.

I'm not too knowledgeable about all the new codecs, but that leads into Michael's excellent point: there is an expanding plethora of existing or evolving HD codecs that would be within easy reach of a major corporation. If something like H.264 is already suited for, or can be developed into, a solid acquisition product...

Total speculation! ;-)

Dave Eanton May 6th, 2005 11:50 AM

Peter,
I think we are looking at something different than just the next great camera, we are looking at moving into the next Format. As with any new format, the decision to purchase is also based on how it will affect your workflow. For the people that are making a living with video, planning to switch to a newer format requires time and planning. JVC and Panasonic announced their cameras in advance, so I can incorporate that into my planning. I think it is not as simple as switching from an XL2 to a DVX100 and then to a PD150 when you feel like it – at least until the HD wave settles as the SD did.

I think the only frustration that users have with Canon is that they have kept quiet. As you said, Canon does not LOVE you, but they don’t make the cameras for themselves either. Regardless of their strategies on releasing their cameras, I think it is important for manufacturers to be in touch with their communities. Panasonic does this. I think that most people on this forum accept that Canon cannot release details of what they are developing, I am sure that most would be satisfied with Canon simply acknowledging the demand for an XL3 (or whatever) and possible announcements. To me, Canon’s stance on not mentioning anything, feels like it’s aimed at surprising their competition instead of satisfying the consumer, and in the end it risks leaving a bitter taste.

Luis Caffesse May 6th, 2005 12:02 PM

I think that most people on this forum accept that Canon cannot release details of what they are developing, I am sure that most would be satisfied with Canon simply acknowledging the demand for an XL3 (or whatever) and possible announcements

Dave, they have acknowledged the demand for HD, and have said that they will have five or six announcements to make in the second half of this year.

So, it sounds like they've already done what you're asking.

Pete Bauer May 6th, 2005 02:10 PM

Dave,

I like your perspective...we all lust after an HD format, not necessarily another camera.

The XL2 is a great camera system -- not perfect maybe, but great -- and if it could shoot in a format even close to DVCProHD, I might not even be bothering to read threads about the HVX200 or even the JVC camera. I know that knowledgeable people have said the existing XL lenses won't cut it for an HD camera, but if it turned out that they were wrong and Canon put out an XL3 body that shot the equivalent of DVCProHD, I'd be first in line.

As far as Canon's tight lips, I'm like everyone else and wish they had open dialog with their customer base. But they don't. I guess they are confident that they'll sell cameras without the expense of the ongoing customer relations efforts. A gamble, perhaps, but then again, they may know what they're doing...

If, on the day I sit down to order an HVX200, I see that Canon has one-upped it, I'll take a pause -- and probably end up with the Canon. But your point is well taken, too...if I find out about the "Next Great Camera" from Canon the day AFTER I buy an HVX200, Canon loses. That's why I think Canon will announce (and ship shortly thereafter) in time to compete directly with the release of the HVX (and who knows, maybe even the JVC camera). If the Panny is shipping and Canon hasn't been heard from, you'll be able to stick a fork in Canon cuz they'll be done.

So, I read the threads and occasionally banter about it all...and at some glorious time in the not too distant future, I'll have my Next Great Camera and do some High Def shooting!

Michael Pappas May 6th, 2005 06:33 PM

I look forward to seeing what Canon will offer. Canon has come far in a very short time. If you think about it, they never worked with professionals in video ( not considering the L1/L2 ) at the size they have with the XL series cameras. They have learned alot. Canon will do something really good. I hope!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer
Dave,

I like your perspective...we all lust after an HD format, not necessarily another camera.

The XL2 is a great camera system -- not perfect maybe, but great -- and if it could shoot in a format even close to DVCProHD, I might not even be bothering to read threads about the HVX200 or even the JVC camera. I know that knowledgeable people have said the existing XL lenses won't cut it for an HD camera, but if it turned out that they were wrong and Canon put out an XL3 body that shot the equivalent of DVCProHD, I'd be first in line.

As far as Canon's tight lips, I'm like everyone else and wish they had open dialog with their customer base. But they don't. I guess they are confident that they'll sell cameras without the expense of the ongoing customer relations efforts. A gamble, perhaps, but then again, they may know what they're doing...

If, on the day I sit down to order an HVX200, I see that Canon has one-upped it, I'll take a pause -- and probably end up with the Canon. But your point is well taken, too...if I find out about the "Next Great Camera" from Canon the day AFTER I buy an HVX200, Canon loses. That's why I think Canon will announce (and ship shortly thereafter) in time to compete directly with the release of the HVX (and who knows, maybe even the JVC camera). If the Panny is shipping and Canon hasn't been heard from, you'll be able to stick a fork in Canon cuz they'll be done.

So, I read the threads and occasionally banter about it all...and at some glorious time in the not too distant future, I'll have my Next Great Camera and do some High Def shooting!


Lawrence Bochkis May 6th, 2005 07:12 PM

With the exception of course of Canon Broadcast, which more or less rules the world.

I'd say if Canon doesn't come out with something to knock the socks off Panasonic and JVC, it's because they don't feel the need in their business plan, rather than them not being able.

With an R&D department the size and scope of Canon's, they could develop any product they want in a shorter time than smaller companies like JVC and Panasonic. When you think about for example Panasonic's lenses....Leica takes FOREVER to develop a lens. Granted, they are some of the best in the world, but Canon could put out 20 fine lenses for the XL's if they wanted to, and felt it would make them money. Not making many lenses for the XL series was almost certainly due to them making a cost/profit judgement.

Peter Wiley May 6th, 2005 07:34 PM

Quote from HD for Indies:

"So there's this newfangled QuickTime 7, which is part of [Mac] OS X 10.4 (Tiger), but can be downloaded separately for 10.3.x. It includes a new codec (a compressor/decompressor - DV is a codec, so are HDV, MPEG-2, DVCPRO HD, etc.). This codec is called H.264, and it's getting lots of press. Why? Because it can put a whole lot of detail into a very small file. And more importantly, it's been chosen as one of the codecs to be used in the next generation of high definition DVD discs - both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD have included it in the required specifications for their discs and players."

Canon has announced that the SDK for Mac will be released in July. Why the wait? Perhaps because they knew QT7, OS X, and the new FCP would make use of H264 and wanted to support it somehow in the Mac SDK? Or needed to?

July is also the time frame for the announcements noted in the first post from Canon -- and the new FCP HD will be released just before . . . Steve Jobs has talked about 2005 as the "year of HD" . . .

Maybe Canon does not need a new camera to get HDV-like quality . . . when all the pieces come together . . .

Dave Eanton May 6th, 2005 08:05 PM

Lawrence, you are very right. Canon has a large R&D department and producing a product to compete should not be a problem. They already dominate the digital photography arena in still cameras. I would like to continue with the Canon brand if possible.

Michael Pappas May 7th, 2005 10:22 AM

I'm just glad to get away from NTSC SD altogether. In three weeks I am going to be involved with the Panavision Genesis camera. So I will probably hate everything after that....


Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/a_frie...r_for_everyone


Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurence Maher
I'm not particularly hyped up about anything camera with hdv anyway. Watered down HD.


Dave Eanton May 8th, 2005 11:00 AM

I am with you Michael, I am just glad to move away from SD. The extra resolution seems to be more rewarding after all the effort put into projects.

Michael Pappas May 8th, 2005 11:40 AM

Wow Dave!

I was just telling someone that last night. You do all this hard work, time, money etc. All you have is a SD version. At least now, your image will have crossed the line of where it will not be a distraction do to the limited quality of SD. You feel that you have captured a bit more of those laborious hours of hard work. That feels good!


Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/a_frie...r_for_everyone



Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Eanton
The extra resolution seems to be more rewarding after all the effort put into projects


Bob Zimmerman May 8th, 2005 01:59 PM

Sent to me by e-mail from a Canon rep after I ask about a new canon with HDV..his reply:

"Unfortunately, the HDV technology is only Sony and JVC exclusive.
Canon's camcorders do not have any access to incorporate the copyrighted
HD technology. Canon headquarters has not announced any plans to create
a GL3 or their own high definition technology, however, since Sony and
JVC are competitors in the market of videography, I presume that Canon's
engineers are currently working on something."

What do you make of that?

Michael Pappas May 8th, 2005 02:24 PM

Confused!





Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/a_frie...r_for_everyone


Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Zimmerman
What do you make of that?


Bob Zimmerman May 8th, 2005 03:29 PM

That's what he wrote. Maybe they are having second thoughts about HDV!

How about a response to Panasonic,,,HD in a GL3 and a XL3? With interchangable lenses. I know people will say the XL2 has only been out for 7 months....well so what. Are they in business to make money?

But back to the e-mail. I don't think a Canon rep would be confused about this.

Michael Pappas May 8th, 2005 03:32 PM

Bob,


I meant, I'm confused,



not the Canon guy.


Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/aghvx200/a_frie...r_for_everyone




Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Zimmerman
That's what he wrote. Maybe they are having second thoughts about HDV!

How about a response to Panasonic,,,HD in a GL3 and a XL3? With interchangable lenses. I know people will say the XL2 has only been out for 7 months....well so what. Are they in business to make money?

But back to the e-mail. I don't think a Canon rep would be confused about this.



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