Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90

[Antony Tsioukas]

Panasonic gives more info about price and release date of AG-UX180 & AG-UX90.

Panasonic UX Series of 4K Camcorders at DV Info Net

New 4K Handheld Camcorder AG-UX180 - YouTube

http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/sales...f/ag-ux180.pdf
http://pro-av.panasonic.net/en/sales...f/ag-ux90p.pdf

[Antony Tsioukas]

If I understand good, just unbelievable. OK you can insert a 128GB card but you can use only 96GB. This means that you lose 32GB...nice... correct me if I am wrong.

Two SD card slots are provided. This enables unlimited* relay recording by simply changing SD cards, and also allows simultaneous recording and background recording for ensuring high recording reliability.

* The maximum amount of data that can be recorded over multiple SD cards is 96 GB. Recording will not stop even when the data size exceeds 96 GB

EDIT : Did they mean each file size not overall amount that recorded into card?

[Ron Evans]

Don't understand the " recording will not stop." comment either. I want to shoot UHD 60P for over 2 hours at 150Mbps that will blow past 96G . Must find out more about that. I would have thought it just started a new clip/file on each card like my FDR-AX1. There certainly isn't a file size limit for exFat of any real concern. Just checked my Video Assist recording Prores 4:2:2 from my NX5U started a new file at 93G when I recorded continuous for 2hours 25 mins. Card was a 256 U3 card . Maybe there is a metadata file limit that means it has to start a new file. I guess we will find out.

Ron Evans

[Antony Tsioukas]

In this page http://news.panasonic.co.uk/pressrel...m-lens-1541570 they write this

Maximum file size that can be recorded over multiple SD cards is 96 GB. Recording will not stop even when the data size exceeds 96 GB

Maybe it's a phrase/typography error. Maybe they mean after 96GB the file splitted. But this is LARGE file size. Sony Z150 max file size is 8GB, after that it splits and this is good for safety reason.

[Douglas Call]

Did you notice the actual Panasonic US website page for the new HC-X1
4K Ultra HD Professional Camcorder - HC-X1 - Panasonic US

[Antony Tsioukas]

All Panasonic new series (HC-X1, AG-UX180 & AG-UX90) have the same body and similar features.

My last quote that it says file size and not data amount was for HC-X1 but it's the same for all new series.

Douglas what you mean?

[Ron Evans]

Originally Posted by Antony Tsioukas

In these page they write this

?Panasonic introduces professional 4K 60p/50p camcorder with... - Panasonic UK News



Maybe it's a phrase/typography error. Maybe they mean after 96GB the file splitted. But this is LARGE file size. Sony Z150 max file size is 8GB, after that it splits and this is good for safety reason.

Where did you see Z150 max file size ? My FDR-AX1, FDR-AX100 and AX53 use XAVC-S like the Z150 and have not checked the max but the AX1 will fill XQD 64G cards one after the other with no problems and the AX100 ( the closest to the Z150 ) will certainly go way past 50G the most I have recorded in one go so far all one file. I have 128G cards for the AX100 and AX53 will have to see if they also stop at about 93 like the Video Assist.

Ron Evans

[Antony Tsioukas]

Originally Posted by Ron Evans

Where did you see Z150 max file size ? My FDR-AX1, FDR-AX100 and AX53 use XAVC-S like the Z150 and have not checked the max but the AX1 will fill XQD 64G cards one after the other with no problems and the AX100 ( the closest to the Z150 ) will certainly go way past 50G the most I have recorded in one go so far all one file. I have 128G cards for the AX100 and AX53 will have to see if they also stop at about 93 like the Video Assist.

Ron Evans

I remember that someone mentioned in a post. It says that Z150 splits files every 8GB (for example my old Canon XF100 split's files every 2GB).

[Cliff Totten]

These cameras are VERY interesting. Especially the 180.

I wonder.....I strongly suspect Panny is buying Sony's 1inch-type sensors for this but are they also buying Sony's "full pixel" readout and scaling engine too?

I wonder how much of this motherboard and processing was purchased from Sony too. Hmmm....so, I'm really curious as to how good the overall image quality and detail is and how it will compare to the Sony Z150.

Wow.....I actually might buy my very first Panasonic camcorder. I have to think that Sony will have a Z150 "big brother" planned very shortly to answer this Panny 180 though.

CT

[Jack Zhang]

BIG THING TO NOTE:

No simultaneous record and 4K output. HDMI and SDI cannot be output simultaneously. (Back to the days of the EX1R in that regard) No 10bit HDMI out on this model neither, and the 4K 60p output over HDMI like the DVX200 is crippled to 8bit 4:2:0.

Also, no V-log. only 8 selectable standard gammas.

It seems none of the recent cameras of note have simultaneous 4K internal record and output.

[Ron Evans]

Not enough processing power onboard to get everything. One thing at a time. For the price it is stillvery good so far as I can tell.

Ron Evans

[Antony Tsioukas]

Originally Posted by Jack Zhang

No simultaneous record and 4K output.

In brochure it says only that "HDMI and SDI signals cannot be output simultaneously", it doesn't say anything about 4K recording and output. But if you mean this "Images output during UHD 60p and UHD 50p recording are FHD." yes it can't give 4K output while recording 4K, it gives only FullHD. But for the cases that you need it this isn't the only limitation (you need better camera ;) )

If it does the same thing as Z150 (LCD switched off while 4K & Output) I will say on Z150 for my choice that have the same limitation.

P.S. By the way I like a lot the "TC PRESET" on AG180, I work a lot with multi-cam and you don't need an external Time Code Generator.

[Jack Zhang]

Originally Posted by Antony Tsioukas

In brochure it says only that "HDMI and SDI signals cannot be output simultaneously", it doesn't say anything about 4K recording and output.

Directly under that in the same part of the brochure:

Images output during UHD 60p and UHD 50p recording are FHD.

4K DCI 24p might be safe in that regard, but who knows... Might just be a carbon copy of the limitations of the DVX200, but even more so without the 10bit mode.

[Antony Tsioukas]

Yes I was understand that later and I correct my above post while you posting, hehe....

[Jack Zhang]

Forget shooting for Rec. 2020 and HDR with this. The only Prosumer camera on the market with that compliance (bear in mind, in 60p) is the Sony FS7 in 4K XAVC-I mode. Even then, it's only 4K output over HDMI must be 8bit 4:2:0 in 60p as well. Want lower compression than XAVC-I? You have to go all the way up to the F5 and it's 4x 3G-SDI outputs and with the 4K software option.