Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90

Ron Evans · November 14th, 2016, 07:00 AM

Definitely a different sensor to the HC-X1 and UX180. It is more a competitor for the HXRNX100 with a 4K add-on. But since the 4K piece is so restricted I think the NX100 at its price may be better as a HD only camcorder !! The UX90 is $400 more than the NX100 at B&H.

Since the UX180's has only 3G SDI I think the HC-X1 may be the better deal.

Ron Evans

Jack Zhang · November 14th, 2016, 07:04 AM

If they leave out Histograms and exposure measuring tools in the HC-X1, that might make it worth it just to get the UX180. Don't discount them locking out certain features to the pro model. At a $300USD price difference, I think the UX180 is worth it in the long run.

Ron Evans · November 14th, 2016, 07:26 AM

I too would like to see all the differences but the specs from the pdf's on the Panasonic sites show the only difference to be the connectors for SDI and Timecode clearly useful for people doing multicam in HD only. In this regard the competitor is the new Sony NX5R with a complete set of features for multicam . B&H price difference is now only $200 between HC-X1 and the UX180.

Ron Evans

Paulo Teixeira · November 15th, 2016, 03:40 PM

One of the many videos I did at NAB New York. I went to New York all the way from Boston by bus. Once I'm their, I had to walk a lot and take a train and so I was a bit tired and decided to use 1 channel of my AC90 built in mic instead of the shutgun mic. Oops! I did that for the first 2 interviews. Ah well. I still used the shutgun for the rest of the inteviews. Besides, this was the first time using a shutgun mic on the AC90. Also, please disregard the shutgun mic flapping at the top. I noticed it during the shoot and decided to keep the clip rather than do it over again. It was sticking out a little bit too much for that first video.

Anyway, I'm actually going to do a review on the UX90. I received it yesterday. I'll be comparing it to my AC90, doing some other kind of testings and do some event videos. I might also get to test the UX180 when it comes out. I have the UX90 until the 28th.

Paulo Teixeira · November 17th, 2016, 02:54 AM

First video finally online. Just did it tonight. It compares the low light abilities of the AC90 and the UX90. 90 of the past compared to the 90 of the present. Both camcorders shot at 1080p60. I'll be posting future videos in 4K.

Could have posted videos earlier but I needed to do some editing on a big video gig I recently did the day before I received the camera. I didn't even open the box on the first day because of that. I didn't want to get distracted.

Antony Tsioukas · November 17th, 2016, 03:58 AM

For those that they need to read more info about UX90 features here are the operating instructions http://docdro.id/eZBxNLP

P.S. If someone find the UX180 operating instructions please inform us/me

Paulo Teixeira · November 22nd, 2016, 03:49 PM

Oops. my post got shown twice.

Paulo Teixeira · November 22nd, 2016, 03:50 PM

Video I did at a Lion Dance competition. The camera was fully automatic and shooting 4K30p. The gain was probably from 10 to 13db. Shutter was at 60.

I'm going to do a couple of highlight videos that shows a little bit of each competing teams. 1 for the school and 1 for the finals that were shot in a Chinese restaurant.

Video I took of the Faneuil Hall Marketplace tree lighting event in Boston Massachusetts.
It was edited in Premiere Pro CC 2017 and exported to 70Mbps before uploading to YouTube.

It's just a bunch of random shots. Later in the video I decided to walk through the gate to get to the front. It was starting to get crowded and I wanted to get closer shots rather than be too far. The only major editing I did was take away the audio from one clip for copyright reasons. I decided to leave every single clip in regardless if they look bad or not. I like posting videos on YouTube but I also have other things to do with my time so I can't spend a lot of time editing every video.

Paulo Teixeira · November 30th, 2016, 05:08 PM

The UX90 was in fully automatic mode. Basically auto white balance, auto-focusing, auto gain, etc. I'd say the cameras was probably using around 10 to 13 db of gain and the shutter stayed at 60.

Video is in 4K 30p.

Julius Smith · December 14th, 2016, 08:41 PM

Seriously looking at the UX180 vs the Z150....one of the remaining sticking points is a continuous (non-buffered) 120fps in FHD mode....Still can't seem to know if it does this or not.
Anyone know?

Thanks!

Ron Evans · December 14th, 2016, 08:53 PM

I am sure Barry will give the experienced answer but in the user manual it states that slow motion recording at 120fps in NTSC at a based frame rate of 23.98P and will record for maximum of 2 hours for a single clip. Recording time is stated as being depending on the frame rate selected but the example is for 23.98 when max time is reached it will momentarily stop then start again. At least that is what the user manual says on page 107. Also mentioned in this interview for the HC-X1 , same thing without the 3G SDI and timecode connectors

Julius Smith · December 14th, 2016, 10:20 PM

Thank you Ron...it seems that it does!
Decisions! Decisions! z150 or the ux180...leaning on the ux180 but need to see how it preforms in low-light.

Ron Evans · December 15th, 2016, 08:22 AM

The main difference between the Z150 and UX180 ( or HC-X1) for me are Panasonics have 20x zoom that goes wide to 25.4mm. They shoot UHD 60P and have a touch screen and remote app that has more controls than the Sony.
Sony has the advantage of 10bit 4:2:2 in HD compared to 8bit 4:2:2 for the Panasonics and then only for external recording as internal is 8 bit 4:2:0. Sony also has built in WiFi and Panasonics need a USB dongle.

For me the wide angle, touch controls like focus and UHD 60P favor the UX180 ( or HC-X1 if you do not need SDi or timecode connections )

Ron Evans

Julius Smith · December 29th, 2016, 05:00 PM

I'm eyeing the panasonic HC-X1 instead of the UX180 as I don't need the SDI and timecode....
Looking over the manual, it says it can do f/2.8-4.5 Would that be a constant 2.8 as I zoom in?
Thanks!

Ron Evans · December 29th, 2016, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julius Smith

I'm eyeing the panasonic HC-X1 instead of the UX180 as I don't need the SDI and timecode....
Looking over the manual, it says it can do f/2.8-4.5 Would that be a constant 2.8 as I zoom in?
Thanks!

No, as you zoom in the lens ramps from F2.8 at wide to F4.5 and it gets there before the full zoom too I think.

Ron Evans

November 14th, 2016, 07:00 AM	#46
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 Definitely a different sensor to the HC-X1 and UX180. It is more a competitor for the HXRNX100 with a 4K add-on. But since the 4K piece is so restricted I think the NX100 at its price may be better as a HD only camcorder !! The UX90 is $400 more than the NX100 at B&H. Since the UX180's has only 3G SDI I think the HC-X1 may be the better deal. Ron Evans

November 14th, 2016, 07:04 AM	#47
Jack Zhang Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Burnaby, BC, Canada Posts: 3,053	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 If they leave out Histograms and exposure measuring tools in the HC-X1, that might make it worth it just to get the UX180. Don't discount them locking out certain features to the pro model. At a $300USD price difference, I think the UX180 is worth it in the long run.

November 14th, 2016, 07:26 AM	#48
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 I too would like to see all the differences but the specs from the pdf's on the Panasonic sites show the only difference to be the connectors for SDI and Timecode clearly useful for people doing multicam in HD only. In this regard the competitor is the new Sony NX5R with a complete set of features for multicam . B&H price difference is now only $200 between HC-X1 and the UX180. Ron Evans

November 15th, 2016, 03:40 PM	#49
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 One of the many videos I did at NAB New York. I went to New York all the way from Boston by bus. Once I'm their, I had to walk a lot and take a train and so I was a bit tired and decided to use 1 channel of my AC90 built in mic instead of the shutgun mic. Oops! I did that for the first 2 interviews. Ah well. I still used the shutgun for the rest of the inteviews. Besides, this was the first time using a shutgun mic on the AC90. Also, please disregard the shutgun mic flapping at the top. I noticed it during the shoot and decided to keep the clip rather than do it over again. It was sticking out a little bit too much for that first video. Anyway, I'm actually going to do a review on the UX90. I received it yesterday. I'll be comparing it to my AC90, doing some other kind of testings and do some event videos. I might also get to test the UX180 when it comes out. I have the UX90 until the 28th. NAB Show - New York - 2016 Panasonic UX180 and AC30 - YouTube __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

November 17th, 2016, 02:54 AM	#50
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 First video finally online. Just did it tonight. It compares the low light abilities of the AC90 and the UX90. 90 of the past compared to the 90 of the present. Both camcorders shot at 1080p60. I'll be posting future videos in 4K. Could have posted videos earlier but I needed to do some editing on a big video gig I recently did the day before I received the camera. I didn't even open the box on the first day because of that. I didn't want to get distracted. Panasonic UX90 vs AC90. Battle of the 90ies. Low light test - YouTube __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot Last edited by Paulo Teixeira; November 17th, 2016 at 03:54 AM.

November 17th, 2016, 03:58 AM	#51
Antony Tsioukas Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Greece Posts: 53	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 For those that they need to read more info about UX90 features here are the operating instructions http://docdro.id/eZBxNLP P.S. If someone find the UX180 operating instructions please inform us/me

November 22nd, 2016, 03:49 PM	#52
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 Oops. my post got shown twice. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

November 22nd, 2016, 03:50 PM	#53
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 Video I did at a Lion Dance competition. The camera was fully automatic and shooting 4K30p. The gain was probably from 10 to 13db. Shutter was at 60. Kids lion dance performance in Boston. 4K video - Panasonic UX90 - YouTube I'm going to do a couple of highlight videos that shows a little bit of each competing teams. 1 for the school and 1 for the finals that were shot in a Chinese restaurant. Video I took of the Faneuil Hall Marketplace tree lighting event in Boston Massachusetts. It was edited in Premiere Pro CC 2017 and exported to 70Mbps before uploading to YouTube. Faneuil Hall Tree Lighting Spectacular in 4K - Panasonic UX90 - YouTube It's just a bunch of random shots. Later in the video I decided to walk through the gate to get to the front. It was starting to get crowded and I wanted to get closer shots rather than be too far. The only major editing I did was take away the audio from one clip for copyright reasons. I decided to leave every single clip in regardless if they look bad or not. I like posting videos on YouTube but I also have other things to do with my time so I can't spend a lot of time editing every video. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

November 30th, 2016, 05:08 PM	#54
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 The UX90 was in fully automatic mode. Basically auto white balance, auto-focusing, auto gain, etc. I'd say the cameras was probably using around 10 to 13 db of gain and the shutter stayed at 60. Video is in 4K 30p. New England Lion Dance Competition 2016 - Day 1 - Panasonic UX90 - 4K 30p. - YouTube __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

December 14th, 2016, 08:41 PM	#55
Julius Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 61	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 Seriously looking at the UX180 vs the Z150....one of the remaining sticking points is a continuous (non-buffered) 120fps in FHD mode....Still can't seem to know if it does this or not. Anyone know? Thanks!

December 14th, 2016, 08:53 PM	#56
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 I am sure Barry will give the experienced answer but in the user manual it states that slow motion recording at 120fps in NTSC at a based frame rate of 23.98P and will record for maximum of 2 hours for a single clip. Recording time is stated as being depending on the frame rate selected but the example is for 23.98 when max time is reached it will momentarily stop then start again. At least that is what the user manual says on page 107. Also mentioned in this interview for the HC-X1 , same thing without the 3G SDI and timecode connectors Newsshooter interview: Panasonic HC-X1 4K 1-inch sensor camcorder with 20x zoom on Vimeo

December 14th, 2016, 10:20 PM	#57
Julius Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 61	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 Thank you Ron...it seems that it does! Decisions! Decisions! z150 or the ux180...leaning on the ux180 but need to see how it preforms in low-light.

December 15th, 2016, 08:22 AM	#58
Ron Evans Inner Circle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 4,220	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 The main difference between the Z150 and UX180 ( or HC-X1) for me are Panasonics have 20x zoom that goes wide to 25.4mm. They shoot UHD 60P and have a touch screen and remote app that has more controls than the Sony. Sony has the advantage of 10bit 4:2:2 in HD compared to 8bit 4:2:2 for the Panasonics and then only for external recording as internal is 8 bit 4:2:0. Sony also has built in WiFi and Panasonics need a USB dongle. For me the wide angle, touch controls like focus and UHD 60P favor the UX180 ( or HC-X1 if you do not need SDi or timecode connections ) Ron Evans

December 29th, 2016, 05:00 PM	#59
Julius Smith Regular Crew Join Date: May 2010 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 61	Re: Panasonic AG-UX180 & AG-UX90 I'm eyeing the panasonic HC-X1 instead of the UX180 as I don't need the SDI and timecode.... Looking over the manual, it says it can do f/2.8-4.5 Would that be a constant 2.8 as I zoom in? Thanks!