Lumiere HD Technical Support Requirements
 

Technical Support for Lumiere HD is provided online via our forum at:

http://www.lumierehd.com/forums/

There are only two simple requirements to receive technical support:

1. You must use your real First and Last name as your username when registering on our forum. (example: John Smith)

2. You must enter your Serial Number in the appropriate field when registering.

This is the most efficient and affordable way for us to offer technical support.
We have multiple technicians, including developers, in multiple time zones answering questions on the forum.

A quick search through the forum database will give an answer within seconds... 90% of the time.

Best,

Frederic

Lumiere take Dv project and online HDV?
 

I've been through the quicktime tutorials and read lots of posts, so I have an understand how LumiereHD basically works.
It's a good HDV solution for Mac and I'm thinking of purchasing.

However I was wondering if the software can help me with this.

I have cut together a short video by shooting HDV with the FX1, and then importing the footage as DV via the camera's own downconversion.

I would now like to have a HDV version of this clip (should have thought of this earlier eh?).

Is there a way of using LumiereHD that I can now online to HDV?

Not having used the program I'm unsure if LumiereHD generates it's own timecode or what?

Thanks in advance.

best wishes

PS - Merry Christmas - the video I'm referring to is at
wes.customer.netspace.net.au

No, to use Lumiere, you needed to capture the footage as HDV m2t files, and then use Lumiere's transcoding functions to convert the m2t files to hi def m2vs (for online) and DV movs(for offline) with aiff sound (used by both online and offline versions).

Lumiere does not deal with HDV timecode at all, so has no reference to your original shots on the tape, it uses FCP's media management to replace the DV movs with the HDV m2v files from the hard drive.

I'm afraid if you want HDV online you'll have to start again.

ah ha

thought this might be the case but was hoping otherwise - yu never know yu luck!

thanks

Help with FX1 and Lumiere HD 1.5b8!
 

After doing my transport stream in DVCPro HD 1080i60 (which made it 1280x1080), I imported my XML file, only to discover that it's offline. It finds the AIFF file okay, but when it tries to find the video file, it says:

"File "part 1.mov" does not have proper content to reconnect to clip in sequence "part 1 mov". Click "OK" to make this item independent and go to the next clip or "Cancel" to skip all clips from this file."

HELP!

heath

One more problem, when importing the XML file, it gives me "non-critical errors" saying it can't "attach" the media file to the clip.

heath

Heath,

It's all resolved right?

Frederic

Yes. My mistake was calling the original captured M2T clips:

Amanda Wide Shot

Instead of the proper:

Amanda_Wide_shot

Frederic, can you re-explain how to keep things from going out of sync, audio/video-wise?

Also, everyone, I am creating my MOV files as DV 720 by 480, because I know that in the coming weeks, I'll be able to "online" my cut into 1080i HDV and output to tape with the FX1.

heath

Need new help with the 1.5b beta!
 

I can email whomever can answer this a still from footage captured, demuxed and made into a timeline codec using the 1.5b8 beta of LHD, and a still captured on Final Cut Pro 2 from a digital downconvert via firewire to a DVX100A.

When I did the codec, I chose DV 720 by 480. When I made a still image from my edit in FCP HD, the image is darker and not as clear as the still my friend made in FCP 2 with the digital downconvert (720 by 480).

Is there something wrong with the initial capture, demux or timeline codec processes? I also notice a new beta (1.5b9)--should I try re-capturing that way, or going through the other processes with the new beta?

Again, I'll email those stills to whomever can answer this question!

Thanks,

heath

Well it's called a beta for a reason. So this might be a bug. I would
certainly try a newer beta. I assume the beta comes with instructions
on who to contact if you find problems, follow those guidelines.
The developers needs feedback on such issues!

Question about offline DV editing.
 

How would graphics work in a DV offline setup?

Wouldn't anything created (either in Motion or Livetype or FCP itself) be the wrong resolution when you online HD?

I'm still learning the process here, so I might be missing something obvious.

Thanks!

I'd say you create the online versions for these and downsample
them to your offline resolution for use there. At least that would
be my guess. All original material should be available in the full
online quality. But what do I know...

That's an interesting question Bryan.

I think if I were gonna do a project like that I would:

1. Create full res HD graphic elements
2. Make copies of elements-add "ol" to the name
3. Resize the copies to fit DV resolution aspect ratio
4. Do offline
5. Before online, rename the original elements and add "ol" to name
6. Online

There are a lot of opportunity for strangeness here, and I think it would only work quick and easily if the DV project is 16x9. I would make sure to do a couple of quick tests first, before I finalized the workflow.

Good Luck!

Lumiere...is it worth the workflow?
 

So, you folks using it, is it worth the time and effort?
Can I expect Z1/M10 output capability soon?

Is the process really as long as it seems like it will be?

New Lumiere HD Beta now allows back to Sony Tape
 

The new beta version of Lumiere HD (Version 1.5b10) now allows encoding of MPEG2 Transport Stream compatible with the new Sony HDV devices, including:

- SONY HDR-FX1(1080i60)
- SONY HDR-FX1(E) (1080i50)
- SONY HVR-Z1 (1080i50/60)
- SONY HVR-M10U (1080i50/60)

Lumiere HD can take any 1440 X 1080, 60i clip (Any codec) and encode it to an MPEG2 transport stream the Sony cameras and deck can receive.

Customers can download the new beta, free of charge from:

http://www.lumierehd.com/beta_download.php

Frederic

Hi Frederic, I have a valid 1.2 version of Lumiere HD....but, I can't seem to get the betas working. I've tried to activate using the latest number I recieved.

I'm a Z1U owner, so I could be of help with testing it.

Christopher Murhy? Never heard of you...sorry

Just kidding Murph. Send me an email with your S/N

Frederic

I believe you already can.

hwm

Need Help With Lumiere/Laying To Tape
 

I have Lumiere (yes, the new version), but it converted everything out of sync. No matter how hard I tried to sync the audio, it still drifted. I gave up and purchased FC Express.

Now that I have my project completed (2 hour feature), I need to get it to tape. I need my HDV 16:9 footage resized to 4:3/letterbox and recorded to DV Cam tape.

FC Express has no option for 4:3. FC Pro does. I have output 1 min. test clips to DV Cam and they look "ghost-like" on the sped up motion clips and the regular clips look pixilated (almost like a posterized effect). Any suggestions/solutions?

I used FC PRO to output these test clips. Since Lumiere doesn't have very good instructions, I can't figure out how to lay to tape once I have made an mt2 conversion. Also, is that conversion oly for laying back to HDV or can I lay to DV Cam using Lumiere?

HELP!

LumiereHD to Handle JVC's 24P ProHD format
 

Interesting little tidbit for those interested in the 24P function of the new JVC cam.

Check out Mike's great site, HD for Indies


Scroll a little down the page, it's a few articles down.
the headline reads:

"LumiereHD to Handle JVC's 24P ProHD format"

Hmm, interesting, especially the part that says that the HD100 does not record 24 frames per second to tape, but 60 frames, a la Varicam and DVX (fields rather than frames with the DVX but same principle).

Does this mean that the HD100 is also recording 60 frames when it's recording 30p mode as well?

So why no 60p in this camera? We know it can SCAN 60p at the CCDs as it can output 60p from the component outs.

That HDForIndies site is saying that their info is directly contradicting what Steve Mullen wrote, about ProHD recording a direct 24p stream. Interesting. Obviously somebody's got it wrong.

If there's pulldown, it'd be one duplicate frame, not an interleaved 60i style recording like the DVX/XL2 use. The JVC is based around HDV30p, so to get HDV24p they'd either invent their own format for 24p recording (as we thought they had, with ProHD) or they'd add one duplicate frame for every four "legit" frames. But still recording 30p.

I don't know why they don't record 60p though... HDV provides for 60p. Maybe today's codecs can't make a satisfactory image from 60 progressive 720p images crammed all into 19 megabits of space? Remember, HDV 720p is 19 megabits no matter what frame rate you're running it at, whether 25, 30, or 60.

Mike's site is great. Thanks for the heads up.

ProHD 24 records on 60p
 

ProHD 24 encodes only 24 frames per second but repeats these frames over 60 progressive frames.

The repeated frames are only 1 bit "repeat" flags. It doesn't do 60p encodes and I believe the obstacle here might be the sensor.

It's a great camera. Hopefully we'll have some footage to share with you soon.

Frederic

Hi Frederic,

It was great to see you at NAB (and also Mike Curtis; wish we could have had a photograph together). If you have any sort of press release information or other announcements regarding Lumiere, please be sure to post them here -- it's your forum after all! Cheers,

Chris,

It was good seeing you too! What a show...

The camera will output full 60p live from the component HD and I suspect the Firestore solution might be able to record 60p!

Frederic

New 1080p TV sets and HDV output
 

What will look better on a high end 1080p TV set, high end 25 Mbps 1080i60 HDV or high end 19 Mbps 720p60 HDV?

Radek

The bit rate really doesn't have that much to do with it. If you have a satellite receiver plugged into that set, then you'll be watching MPEG video compressed at a much higher rate than 19mbps.

There are some folks who perceive 720p to be "better" than 1080i due to the Kell factor. I think the real answer to your question is a subjective one, as in, which one looks better to you. And you're the only person who can answer that. You have a 1080p television in your home?

I don't have 1080p TV. I just wanted to have expert opinion, Chris. Your answer is true but I would like to know what expert that runs this forum thinks.

Radek

ask Douglas S. Eagle, he's the expert, if he doesn't reply, E-mail him.

Unless you have some sort of access to a 1080p display, a better question might be what looks better on a 720p display. Also, I'm not aware of any proposal for an HDV camera which records 720p60, so maybe you're thinking of the Panasonic DVCProHD camera?

In any case, any decent HD video should look better on a high-end HDTV than any SD video, with maybe a few exceptions under some unusual conditions.

HDV spec includes 720/60p at 19 Mbps. It's probably just matter of time to see it in cameras. New top displays are 1080p.

Radek

Lumiere Export to Tape Problem...
 

Hey,

I'm trying to export a video to tape with Lumiere. I'm using an FX1. Here's my problem: After I take my uncompressed HD master and use Lumiere to convert it to a transport stream (yes, I did confirm it's set to FX1 export--not FX1E), when I hit print to tape the video seems to "offset" a bit. The left edge of the video is on the right edge of the screen--kind of like a poor tracking deal, but horizontally. Also, the audio seems to have sped up, so the audio and video are completely out of sync.

Has anybody else had a similar problem? Any known solutions?

Thanks for any help!

Great to see you at NAB.

The CCDs run at 48Hz. Unless the Anti-Juddder filter is turned on, every other frame is dropped.

The encoder can only record: 24, 25, and 30fps OR only 25 and 30fps. In no case, are 60 frames encoded or recorded.

Therefore, either 24p is recorded directly to tape (just as 25p is recorded to tape) OR the 24fps are placed (somehow) within the 30fps. This is not simple -- as the 24fps frames arrive at a rate of 1/24th second while the 30fps are recorded every 1/30th second.

This is why I have always believed that 720p24 is recorded just like 720p25 -- and 720p30. No repeat frames are needed.

What is confusing folks are the analog output and the i.LINK output. They may be very different.

1) Analog output is 720p50/720p60 or 1080i50/1080i60. This is true when shooting or playing back. When shooting or playing 24p, analog output is also 720p60 or 1080i60, but with 2:3:2:3 pulldown. Every NLE will understand this pulldown.

2A) The 24p comes down the i.LINK just like 25p and 30p.That's how 720p30 works now where you create a 720p60 Timeline and each incoming frame is doubled. In this case, the same thing will be done with 25p, and we'll get a 720p50 Timeline.

However, 24p would go directly into a 720p24 Timeline. This requires a new input option since video has never come in at 24fps.

2B) Upon playback, both 25p and 30p are frame-doubled in the camcorder to 720p50 and 720p60 and sent via i.LINK. This can be done because the Motion Filter has converted the CCD output at 720p50 and 720p60 to 25p and 30p. Thus, it can be converted back to 50p and 60p.

In this case, both will be input to the NLE as 720p50 and 720p60 -- just like DVCPRO HD. What will the camcorder do with 24p?

Ideally it would simply send 720p24 down i.LINK. Again, this requires a new input option since video has never come in at 24fps.

However, the camcorder can apply 2:3:2:3 pulldown to get 720p60. If this is the way it's done, then you'll have to remove the pulldown to get back to 24fps. The advantage is that the NLE will work just like it does now with 24fps in 720p60 video.

I frankly do not believe in some other "repeat frame" scheme. Either it's pure 24fps or 24fps is carried within an industry standard pulldown. I suspect pulldown is used because all NLE's understand 24fps within 60p or 60i. No new software will be required.

All that's needed is that the i.LINK driver recognize the HD-100 and its range of options. Clearly Avid already knows how to do this since they were demonstrating it at NAB. I expect Apple to have an HD100 update in July, before Avids ships.

But, as Frederic says, the MPEG2 stream coming down that firewire cable is a 60fps stream, not a 24p one, but it only contains data for 24 out of those 60 frames, with the extra frames being small pointers to one of the real 24 frames that gets duplicated. If you just put the MPEG2 stream straight into a MPEG decoder, it sees 60fps and gives you a 60fps video with the 24 real frames embedded into it.

Graeme

"But, as Frederic says, the MPEG2 stream coming down that firewire cable is a 60fps stream, not a 24p one, but it only contains data for 24 out of those 60 frames, with the extra frames being small pointers to one of the real 24 frames that gets duplicated."

There's no such thing as REPEAT frames frames replaced by "pointers." (Where did you hear this idea?)

There must me 60 full frames per second to keep the 60Hz timing right. What may be true is that the REPEAT frames are flagged -- something very different.

There are many ways 24 can be embedded in 60. That's call the pulldown cadence. Frederic seems to be claimg JVC has done some non-standard pulldown. One that will require special software to remove all but the 24 frames.

I don't buy this because for the analog output, JVC must use 2:3:2:3 pulldown which is the industry standard. Now if it adds 2:3 to the 24fps for analog -- I really doubt that it does send exactly the same cadence down the i.LINK.

If 2:3 is sent down the i.LINK, then any NLE that deals with telecined video can handle it. No extra software is needed. FCP will never know this wasn't film transfered to video -- excapt the video is progressive and not-interlaced. This is already done with DVCPRO HD at 24fps..

Now the OS X FireWire driver may have to be modified to accept 720p60 at 1280x720 since that is different than Panasonic which is 960x720. But, that is a trivial change.

Likewise the driver will have to be modified to allow 720p25 and 720p50. I'm sure will see an unpdate before AVID ships there HD-100 solution this summer.

Same export to tape problem
 

I just purchased Lumiere HD to try to solve issues I am having using FCP 5 to get video back onto my HDR-FX1 after I have edited it in FCP. I have followed the instructions on the Lumiere site but am having the same issues as you. My video is streched and offset and the audio is sped up, causing the audio and video to go out of sync.
I would love any help in resolving this. I am still unable to get video back to my camera either in FCP 5 or with Lumiere. Lumiere HD's support seems to be non-existant.

Capture 720p24 with Lumiere?
 

Is it possible to capture 720p24 with Lumiere?

I thought I saw something to the effect on www.lumierehd.com their latest beta (you need to buy the full version, then download the beta) supports the HD100.

I'm shooting stuff Sunday for a short on the HD100 and plan on using FCP 5 to edit it natively.

heath

Lumiere HD 2.0 due out in a couple weeks will support HDV 24 from JVC.

Frederic