Lumiere HD Beta version 1.6b6
 

Does anyone know if you have to be a Lumiere HD owner already to use this new beta version. I can download it but it asks me for a serial number.

Question
 

I have a question for anyone who could answer it, I have the jvc GY-HD100U and I recentily just tried to capture footage using FCP HD and it won't even reconize that the camera is hooked up. I then did some research and found out that Lumiere HD could make it possible for me to capture footage using their program. Well I am in a delima, I have no money what so ever and the camera was givin to me as a gift. My problem is I have no way of purchising Lumiere, my only way to make money was using the camera, since I can't capture I cannot edit the video, there inturns I cannot make any money. My question is does anyone know where I could download the program for free? I feel bad because I don't want to rip anyone off but I feel ripped off in the sence I have no way of capturing HD to my mac or FCP. Plus on top of it all I need to send my camera in to get the new upgrade, and let me tell you I am very leary about sending it with out purchising any insurance incase somthing happens in delivery to JVC. Please someone help,
Thanks,
Andrew

Andrew,

It's a shame that FCP 5.0.4 cannot capture JVC's 720p24, but it can capture and edit 30p. I sympathize with you.

Lumiere HD costs only $179 and is well worth it. Asking it for free isn't exactly a moral thing to do. Frederic and his team worked very hard on it, and put a lot of hours and I'm sure capital into it. The price is worth it.

We here at DVInfo take specific stances in regards to doing things like trading software, voiding warranties, etc. Visit our FAQ for more.

heath

Heath
 

Yes it is sorta wrong to download programs like that for free but, It is a scam. I finally found a program that works and is FREE!!! I am now using two programs, Which is a long way to go to get around this problem. Those programs are DVHSCap abd MPEG Streamclip. Might I add FREE, This whole problem is corprate runaround, Which is a scam. My grandfather bought me this camera in the hopes of me getting jobs and getting paid. He is no longer with us, The fact that I would have to pay for a whole other program is not right. Especially since I have no money. The only way for me to make any money was by shooting and editing things together. Lumiere HD sounds like a great program, At least they could have offered a free trial version. All I really wanted to know was if it would work. No offence to anyone but I would want to see first hand if it worked on my computer. I've been screwed over more times than I can count. If they had of offered a free version and I saw first hand that it worked then I woud have tried to save money to buy the program. Plus if other programs do it just as good and for free and they make you buy it then thats messed up. I'm not a very priviliged guy, I live on my own and have barely enough to get by. My job is this, Shoot, Edit, Get Money! My grandfather did buy me all this and yes that is alot but, He did it to get me started job wise. I'm sorry if I come accrosed mad, But I feel like I was screwed over and so was my grandfather for all of this. What gets me even more is the fact the FCP is supposed to support the GY-HD100U as under here: http://images.apple.com/finalcutstud...d_20060303.pdf Wouldn't that be false advertising to say they support it and yet it doesnt even support it.
And back to Lumiere HD costing ONLY $179 ONLY. Thats alot of money when you don't have any. But I would have saved to buy it if i knew it worked on my computer. I'm sure if I asked if it worked many of you would have said yes. But If it didn't then it would have been no skin of your backs. Yet I would have been set back 179 Dollars.

No, it wouldn't be false advertising because the listing for the HD-100 references footnote #6 which says: "6. HDV mode currently supported in 720p30 format only."

HDV is NOT 24p, but JVC tweaked the software and they call it ProHD (and it has PCM audio). In my experience, using free software, esp. in the video world, isn't always successful. I find using products that cost money to be the best.

This is still a relatively new technology, and every time a camera comes out, there's something new to it. I know of very few, if any, software NLEs that support Canon's 24f mode, only 60i and 30f. Be patient.

I had to be first in the technology race with the JVC HD10 3 years ago, and I had to wait almost 2 years for native FCP support. Two versions of Final Cut came out before it was available.

Also, if you're using a camera to become a videographer, I hope you are practicing and learning as much as possible on the subject. You can't just go out and shoot and hope to make money. You need to be the best, and then you need to work hard to build up a good reputation. It's taken me a few years to get to where I am, and I've been doing this for a while.

I still struggle to pay the bills, just like everyone. And buying software upgrades is expensive, but we don't all have to go out and buy the latest and greatest.

Lastly, we at DVInfo do not, under any circumstances, advocate getting free copies of software that normally cost money. That's stealing.

heath

Thanks for the info, yeah i had my suspition that it ws something hidden like that. I'm just glad I finally found a program that can convert what I shot for free. And to heath, I am very sorry If I came accrosed as going off on you. I am just mad with JVC and FCP for running me around. I called JVC and Apple about 6 times trying to get a answer yet I never could. JVC said it was apple, Apple said it was JVC. I could never get a strait answer. It just makes me mad that they do that. Plus I have a deadline for the job I am doing and I needed to be able to capture and start editing last week as is. I am already losing money because the I was supposed to have a rough edit to them by Saturday. I am stressed beyond belief, and to find out that my problem could be fixed for the moment with Lumiere and to then find out the it cost 179 dollars. I have right now 50 cents to my name! So I would have been screwed if I hadn't found anything to work. So I apoligise to anyone who took offense, I am just at the end of the string, I have no money, I barely have food, and This just kinda topped it off. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone.
Andy

If you did a 5 minute google on FCP and the JVC HD100 before you bought one, you had know a lot more about the issues. This forum is almost all about it..

Lastly I Didn't want a free full Version, I really needed to find out if it worked or not on MY COMPUTER. If I bought it then found out It didn' work. What a waist that would have been. And I never ment to say I wanted the full version for free, I was tired when I posted my first post and now that I look at it I relise that I was wrong. But I still wanted to find a trial version to see if ot worked on my computer. I never ment to say that I wanted the whole version. That was my bad and I will appoligise for that.

Well From what I read and from what I was told it was a good camera to buy. Don't act all high and mighty about it, Yes I should have I know this, And I did do alot of reaserch. Not enough I guess, but I talked with a couple production companys in my city and they all supported the HD100. So I was misled then. That doesn't get away from the fact that its all in the past. I got the camera back in december. I haven't had the chance until now to use it because of too much going on in my own life. Dealing with my grandfathers death, and getting all hhis stuff sold and whatnot.

And To clear anything about this, I am not a NEW BOOT to editing. I have been editing for about 6 years. I also worked at The oregon capitol during session in the Legislative Media dept. So I know about editing and brodcast and all that. Don't treat me as if I am some dumb kid. I am a adult, Treat me like one. I know quite a bit about editing, and from what I was lead to believe the JVC GY-HD100U was a good camera to buy.

My recommendation, after I bought an HD10 without testing it, test cameras, research it, etc. Know what you're buying.

No sweat on the going off.

hwm

Just as an aside, you'll soon hear of changes in the HDV spec that *do* allow for 24p and PCM audio, so maybe we'll see software dev support now in this arena, since it's now part of the HDV standard. (along with 4 channels of audio, too)

Hey Spot, is this ProHD? Or something different?

heath

Yes. You need to buy version 1.2

Lumiere will not capture 720 24p from HD100
 

Trying to capture music video footage at 24 p.
Using Lumiere 1.6 6b, but it won;t capture. The Lumiere doesn't even recognize the camera. WTF?

Who else has had this problem?
How did you solve this problem?

I previously captured 1 clip, with Lumiere then went to FCP to see the result.
Then the troubled started.

Thanks,

Ed Hill & Aaron Lynch

Don't run FCP and Lumiere HD at the same time. You can only have one program accessing the firewire HDV protocol at a time.
Also, make sure the camera is in VTR mode. I have tested 1.6b6 and it is the only version that seems to work as advertised front to back.

Maybe you used 29.97 instead of 23.98 when you converted to quicktime format? I've tested the 720P24 workflow with the HD100 and it seems to work fine.

HD100 clips playing REALLY fast...
 

Using Lumiere, follow instructions....
any reason why my clips are playing really, really fast and not regular speed?

Thanks

Oh, problem solved.... beta version 1.6b

does Lumiere give you timecode?
 

when you capture 720 24P from the HD100 does the quicktime file give you the same timecode off of the tape? i've tried HDVxDV but it isn't giving me accurate timecode.

audio out of sync
 

I have followed the directions from the online tutorial to get my Z1 footage into FCP with Lumiere, and find that the audio and video are out of sync. At the beginning of a 5 minute clip, the audio is out by 24 frames and at the end of the same 5 minute clip the audio is out by 30 frames.

Demuxing in Lumiere results in an m2v and an aif of slightly different lengths. Demuxing in MPEG Streamclip results in m2v and aif files of exactly the same length.

I am using DV/DVCPRO-NTSC @ 29.97 with audio set to 48KHz for the timeline codec.

Any thoughts on how to remedy this?

Thanks.

Lumiere HD problem with "DESTINATION" folder and m2t Files Only 4KB
 

The capture process seems fine but when I demultiplex the files which seems to do very fast, the m2v files are equally small and I can't convert them to movs or do anything with them. Lumiere does not crash on me throughout this process.

After I demultiplex the files (which turn out to be 4kb) I am having problems with encoding my raw files (from HD100) into the XML files I can import through FCP5.

I followed all the steps correctly the other day according to this manual posted on lumiere forum (http://www.lumierehd.com/forums/arch...php?t-579.html) and was able to encode all files properly and import them into FCP5. Then I no longer needed those files and I deleted the Video, Audio, REALTIMES, folders where I housed previous files.

I tried to repeat the same procedure today, created all new folders, but this time Lumiere does something weird. I did everything correctly, demultiplexed the files and then when I went to the final steps 11 through 20 (http://www.lumierehd.com/forums/arch...php?t-579.html) and hit GO it didn't do anything... a window poped up saying STARTED but then a second later the window disappeared and the destination folder I had selected also diappeared. I hit GO the second time, and this time another window popped up saying I should select the destination folder, which I did again. Again, I hit GO and window popped up saying STARTED (encoding I presume), but it disappeared as well and automatically de-selected the destination folder.

What is the problem? can someone help me? Please... I am really disappointed having switched from PC where cineform used to do magic compared to Lumiere. Lumiere has no batch processing, no scene detection, on top of everything I have a project due tomorrow and now have to pray that someone knows whats going on and can help.

Thank you

RAW Footage size of HD100 imported with Lumiere
 

Hi, I've been importing raw footage (M2T) from my HD100 into my G5. So far, I've imported almsot three hours worth of footage and just realized that the size of the imported footage is not that big... As, far as I know when you import one hour of regular DV footage for editing it takes up around 13 gb of space. Shouldn't HDV have larger m/bit per second transfer rate than DV and in theory be larger in size?

I imported two and half tapes (under three hours) into my computer and combined size of the footage file is 19 gb. I am really concerned that I did something wrong with settings on Lumiere (or even worse on camera, which I doubt) and that now I have three hours of footage with compromised quality.

Can someone clarify?

Thank you in advance

Actually, the HDV format can accommodate up to a 1440x1080 frame size and has same maximum data throughput as standard definition DV--which is 25 megabits per second. But, you are shooting with the JVC HD100 which has a reduced frame size of 1280x720. If I recall correctly, this results in a reduction in maximum data throughput to about 19 megabits per second.

Remember, data rates are in megabits per second. There are 8 bits per byte. So, if you have 3 hours of HDV tape shot with your JVC, the maximum combined file size of your captured footage should be about 25.65 GB (gigabytes).

You say that you have about 19 GB of captured footage. That would mean you have about 133 minutes of raw footage. Are you sure that you have two full tapes plus a third that is half full?

The fact remains, though, HDV does not have a higher data rate than DV.

Thanks
 

Jeff thank you for your reply. It clarifes things a bit and helps me calm down as well.

I had three tapes, and none of them was fully used... In total, I most likely transferred about 2.5 hours of footage... now that I think about it - maybe even a bit less than that. So, according to you this is pretty much what I should have in the end anyway.

Actually, it was very dumb from me to ask about higher bit rates from HDV vs DV since they are both on the same DV tape :) But, my question was: since DV footage is around 13GB per hour, then why is my footage less if they are supposed to have same transfer rates?

I appreciate and understand your confusion--and concern!

The lower data rate of the JVC (19 megabits/sec) means that it does not quite equal what you would expect from an hour of DV footage captured at 25 mbits/sec.

So is it normal, or should I worry about it?

From the information you provided, I would say you have nothing to worry about.

Thank You!!!

Doesn't anyone know?
 

Didn't anyone have similar experience? Please help

Two questions:

1.) Are your m2t files sequentially numbered, as in you used Lumiere's Autoincrement function when you captured your files?

If so, then go back to step #9 of the procedure and carefully read the note about using Autoincrement.


2.) Have you posted your issue on the Lumiere HD forum?

That fact that it worked once but not this time must mean that your procedure has changed slightly.

Hi Jeff, thank you again. :) I did post this on Lumiee forum, but no answer yet.

I did the autoincrement option, but I don't completely understand the requirment for selecting the files. In my first try I think I just selected the whole folder and it did everything correctly. Now, for the second try, I selected the files manually, but how does it makes sense since to select those files I have to access the folder anyway? Which means I have to click on the folder and open it, so the fact of opening the folder already registers with Lumiere. I have many files in there and I only want to use few, so what I did is I pointed the arrow and selected the files I wanted from bottom to top. This didn't work. So the next time I just went into the folder and selected one file only. This didn't work either...

Maybe I should just reinstall the Lumiere from the scratch? Hopefully, I won't loose the license.

This whole thing is quite uncomfortable, especially after paying $200 for it - it feels like they (Lumiere) just glued together some kind of interface together and threw it out in the street for people to have problems with it.

Use MPEG Streamclip
 

Hi Rati,

We are using Lumiere to capture only, use MPEG Streamclip to transfer to AIC files for editing in final cut pro.

Do a search for Tim Dashwood on this or the JVC thread, he's got all this stuff figured out and happily has shared his info.

Good luck,

Tom Chaney

www.tomchaney.com

Data Dropout
 

When I'm in capture mode, sometimes Lumiere 1.7 will make make data from the camera dropout. I get a black screen for a split second then blue then a pop. I look back at Lumiere and it has stopped capturing. I was having this problem yesterday when I first tried to capture, so I quit Lumiere to make sure it wasn't the tape. No problems with the tape. It plays fine when Lumiere isn't running. I'm not running any other programs at the same time. It seems like Lumiere is trying to gain control of the camera, because the capture works best when the VTR controls on Lumiere aren't working and I have to control the camera manually. Any thoughts?
Steve

XML does its own resizing
 

If I import my AIC 1280x720 MOV file straight into FCP it keeps its size. If I import the XML that Lumiere made it comes in wanky even though when I look at the movie's properties in FCP browser it still says 1280x720. Any ideas?
Steve

If anyone else has had this problem, I found a fix. Wait to create your project file. Open FCP and then immediately import an XML file, instead of importing it into the already open project have it create a new project. After that, double check all your sequence settings and make sure they are what you want. Every XML file after that should work.

Scale Option Removed in v1.7 (don't delete your v1.6b6!)
 

I have just finished my first workflow test with version 1.7 and it looks like they have removed the ability to maintain the frame dimensions in the timeline tab.
v1.6b6 used to have a section underneath the codec selection that allowed you to maintain source dimensions or scale to the dimensions of your liking.
This is bad news for those of us who prefer to maintain 1280x720 in AIC and never go back to the m2v source.

It looks like they have removed this option in v1.7 and now the files always downscale to 720x480.

There also used to be an additional Quicktime dialog that appeared when you hit the GO button that allowed you to select 48KHZ AIFF and confirm your codec selection and frame rate. THis is also gone.

Rati,

Sorry for the delay in response. I don't visit this sub-forum very often.

This might sound like a silly question, but did you use any "spaces" in your filenames? It is a ridiculous thing that on a mac you would be forced to used an underscore "_" but it seems LumiereHD does not like spaces.

I've also noticed it will hang if the file name you originally entered is too long. Keep it under 25 characters.

Otherwise, I'm not sure what your issue could be stemming from. I have found v1.6b6 and v1.7 to be fairly solid (even though I'm pissed that they removed scale control in v1.7 - see my other post)

Hi Tim, thank you for your post. I didn't use spaces actually and I couldn't figure out what was wrong until I downloaded the latest version of the Lumiere HD. It seemed to have fixed the problem, although there is another issue now.

I selected four files to be transcoded into M2V files. It did transcode all four of them, but when it created quicktime MOV files there were only three instead of four. This was a bit misterious to me. I didn't really follow up on this and didn't do another conversion because I was busy with shoots, but I hope it won't be an issue when I begin to transcode dozens of files.

Also, I played some of the raw files M2T through VLC player and it did play most of the fine, but it didn't play some of them and for couple it gave me an error. Is it possible that I ruined the raw files by prematurely playing them through VLC player? Does it mean that I can't properly transcode those files anymore and I shouldn't trust the quality?

Thanks,

Rati