Frederic,

Does Lumiere maintain the original TC? Can I convert to a lower rez proxy for offline and then re-conform later from HDV?

The JVC GY-HD7000 due out next year will shoot and record 720P60 in a HDV format. There is talk that it may use a higher bandwidth than 19.2Mb to maintain a higher quality. aka ProHD XE
The JVC HD100 records 720P60 to tape at 19.2Mb/sec all the time as a format, but the captured 24P or 30P are embedded with repeat frames. The HD100 will output 720P60 live to the component outputs when in 720P30 mode.
ABC and FOX broadcast 720P60.

Frederic,

I registered before I purchased. How do I now enter my serial number to get tech support?

Tim

Yeah I need that too, cause I am havingsome problems with the beta version. It won't permit me to enter the name of the file.

Chaplinvision JVC 24p
 

Hi there,

I have searched for threads but with no luck yet...

We have....Captured JVC HDV 24p in Lumiere and transfered over to FCP 5.0 and altough the capture is there it seems to be playing out at 10fps. We have checked all settings.... have I missed something in another thread?

Please enlighten me,

James
DP
Earthmedia Imaging and Film
Mozambique

Brian,

You need to register on our forum at:

http://lumierehd.com/forums/

Frederic

You're using the latest beta? 1.6b2

Is LumiereHD Necessary with FCP5?
 

Just curious. I know lumiereHD is supposed to great job of converting HDV to a myriad of file formats, but now that FCP5 is native HDV...is LumiereHD still necessary? That is with an FX1, not anything new like the XLH1.

please advise.

No! Unless you have a JVC HDV Camera

Hey Steve,
I don't supose you know when FCP will fully suport JVC hdv cameras in hdv25p mode? (i have the hd100e). Will it be a maintenance upgrade to FCP5 or will they bring it out in FCP6?

cheers Andy.

How about in a situation where you are doing a lot of after effects work? I hear the recompression to HDV is a killer. Would it then be better to use say the DVCPROHD codec for all of one's work or is staying HDV fine?

There's just been a maintenance release with no sign of support for the JVC or Canon. David Newman from Cineform said it's not a big deal to add this support so I have no idea why they haven't - perhaps when 6 is released next year?

PLEASE HELP ME - Lumiere HD (moved to Lumiere forum)
 

Can someone please help me with this issue, it's VERY important right now:

I'm trying to edit HD100 footage in final cut pro, I'm using lumiere HD but it won't let me name the clips. More importantly, after encoding the "realtime timeline codec" with the DVCPRO HD 720p60 preset and importing the XML file into a quicktime sequence set to either 24 or 23.98 it forces me to render the footage... what is this BS? Isn't the concept of this program realtime editing? I'm so fed up, please someone help me.

This is what the sequence looks like:

The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor DVCPRO HD 720p60

When rendering, the audio is out of sync. Can someone please shed some light on this? I have a deadline fast approaching and I might lose my job if I don't get this to work.

All I want is to capture and edit GYHD100 footage in Final Cut Pro, I have lumiere HD, I followed their steps but they say nothing specifically on how to deal with the GYHD100 what do I do?

Look below...

Welcome to dvinfo Bruce.

We actually have a whole forum dedicated to Lumiere HD.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=77

Lumiere HD has an issue with FCP5 and audio sync which requires a specific workflow (which admittedly I have not tested myself.)
You will require the latest beta (1.6b2) which you have probably already downloaded, and then attempt to follow these instructions:

You lost me here,

9. Add to selection and scale

What does that mean?

Mercy Plea
 

Tim, could you please enlighten me as to what settings I specifically have to have in my timeline? I capture in lumiere, demultiplex, convert the things into m2vs, then I do the timeline codec, encode DVPRO HD 720p60 right, is this wrong? Wrong codec? Then it presents me with the next dialogue, checking for the

compression: DVCPRO HD 720p60
quality: best
Frame rate: 30

I change the frame rate from 30 to "current" there is option for 24 but not for 23.98

Then I hit ok and it creates an xml and the .mov

Then I go into my FCP 5 and I set the sequence to any of the following:

1. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor DVCPRO HD 720p60

2. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 24

Compressor DVCPRO HD 720p60

3. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor Apple Intermediate Codec

4. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor HDV 720p30

5. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 24

Compressor HDV 720p30

NONE OF THESE OPTIONS WORK

I import the XML. When I drag the files brought over in the xml from lumiere, it requires me to render them out... Please tell me what I need to do in order to get this so that it can be edited in real time. With no rendering? This question wasn't answered in my last post. What settings specifically are needed for the sequence? Can't I just sync the audio tracks by hand if say I shot with a clapperboard?

When will this update be available for Final Cut Pro? I'm so sick and tireeeeeeddd of this... I'm sorry to sound so desperate, but I am, I'm in a pretty dire situation and if I don't get this to work I'm in serious trouble!!! please can someone please refer me to an intelligble guide on how to get footage from my HD100 onto the timeline in FCP to be edited in real time? I am willing to pay someone for usable information! i I need to get the goddamn thing to work, it's very important!!! I know people are using FCP and lumiere to edit HD100 footage, I'm pretty sure NATE WEAVER is using it to edit, perhaps he could shed some light on the subject.... He made that amazing music video, dirthouse and I'm pretty sure he's editing with FCP on a MAC, please help please I'm not a bright guy and I may lose my job if I don't meet a coming deadline. I can't afford this, please edify me, enlighten me as to how I edit in real time!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mercy Plea (moved to Lumiere forum)
 

Tim, could you please enlighten me as to what settings I specifically have to have in my timeline? I capture in lumiere, demultiplex, convert the things into m2vs, then I do the timeline codec, encode DVPRO HD 720p60 right, is this wrong? Wrong codec? Then it presents me with the next dialogue, checking for the

compression: DVCPRO HD 720p60
quality: best
Frame rate: 30

I change the frame rate from 30 to "current" there is option for 24 but not for 23.98

Then I hit ok and it creates an xml and the .mov

Then I go into my FCP 5 and I set the sequence to any of the following:

1. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor DVCPRO HD 720p60

2. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 24

Compressor DVCPRO HD 720p60

3. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor Apple Intermediate Codec

4. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 23.98

Compressor HDV 720p30

5. The frame size is 1280 x 720 - HDTV 720p (16:9)
Pixel Aspect Ratio: Square

Editing Timebase 24

Compressor HDV 720p30

NONE OF THESE OPTIONS WORK

I import the XML. When I drag the files brought over in the xml from lumiere, it requires me to render them out... Please tell me what I need to do in order to get this so that I don't have to render... so it can be edited in real time. With no rendering? This question wasn't answered in my last post. What settings specifically are needed for the sequence? Can't I just sync the audio tracks by hand if say I shot with a clapperboard?

When will this update be available for Final Cut Pro? I'm so sick and tireeeeeeddd of this... I'm sorry to sound so desperate, but I am, I'm in a pretty dire situation and if I don't get this to work I'm in serious trouble!!! please can someone please refer me to an intelligble guide on how to get footage from my HD100 onto the timeline in FCP to be edited in real time? I am willing to pay someone for usable information! i I need to get the goddamn thing to work, it's very important!!! I know people are using FCP and lumiere to edit HD100 footage, I'm pretty sure NATE WEAVER is using it to edit, perhaps he could shed some light on the subject.... He made that amazing music video, dirthouse and I'm pretty sure he's editing with FCP on a MAC, please help please I'm not a bright guy and I may lose my job if I don't meet a coming deadline. I can't afford this, please edify me, enlighten me as to how I edit in real time!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm in india and saw your post as its day here. I'm on a treo so can't give detailed help.

I would not use lumier.

if you want to work "double system" there is a detailed explanation at my site.

If you are still working tonight and there's no answer from tim, you can buy my ebook and download it as it has several methods.

good luck!

Bruce, it's late and I'm not thinking clearly, but I can tell you my workflow had nothing to do with Lumiere.

Whenever I'm having the problem you're having, I open the media in question in Quicktime Player, do a "Get Info", and study the framerate, codec, etc very carefully.

One thing that could be wrong, but I don't know as I've never used media from Lumiere, is that your frame size MIGHT need to be 960x720 with a pixel aspect ratio of 16x9 HD. I'd load the sequence preset for 720p DVCPRO HD and then change the frame rate to 24 and see if that helps.

I'd also try changing sequence framerate to 59.94...Lumiere might be encoding the new media verbatim from the 59.94 MPEG stream.

Either way open those Lumiere files in QT Pro and tell us what it says.

Hey Nate,

What do you use to import your files to FCP and edit in 24p if you don't use Lumiere?

Currently I am using HDVXDV, but I am still learning the logistics.
Duke

I Really Need Help (moved to Lumiere forum)
 

This is getting me ticked, when I go to STEP 9: add to selection and scale it totally screws up the audio, I get this strange tremelo effect, is this normal? The regular audio file doesen't have this, the sound wavers in the add to selection and scaled version, how do I get normal audio? PLease explain this to me.

STEP 11: 11. Open all digital negative movs and export to codec of choice in 23.98 (DV, 720 X 480, 23.98) to a folder called 'realtime_clips'

How do I export these clips? Individually? Do I repeat steps 1-10 again anda again and again? Please tell me what to do! What codec is recommended?

Originally Posted by Frederic Haubrich
Here's a customized, temporary, workflow for our users who want to cut ProHD24p in FCP 5.0.

Most of these steps will be automated in future releases of Lumiere HD:

1. Capture with LHD
2. Demux audio and video in separate folders. (end up with 23.98 m2v and 48KHz aiff)
3. Open m2v in QT Pro
4. Open aiff in QT Pro
5. Select all aiff
6. Copy
7. Place play head at the beginning of m2v
8. Select all m2v
9. Add to selection and scale
10. File/Save as (Save as reference movie -- same name.mov) in a folder called 'digital_negative'
11. Open all digital negative movs and export to codec of choice in 23.98 (DV, 720 X 480, 23.98) to a folder called 'realtime_clips'
12. Open FCP, set easy setup to realtime_clips specs (DV, NTSC, 23.98)
13. Import all realtime_clips
14. input a reel for each clip in the browser
15. Edit with realtime

GOING ONLINE

1. Select the sequence/ Choose Media Manager
2. Media Manager settings:
Media: Create Offline
Set Sequence to Custom:
1280 X 720
PAS: Square
Anamorphic 'not checked'
Editing Timebase: 23.98
Timecode rate: Same...
Compressor: HDV 720p30
Audio: 48 KHz, 16 bit, default
3. Save project name: Online720p24
4. Go to 'Online720p24' tab in browser/double click on sequence (clips should be offline)
5. Select all clips in browser (above sequence), choose 'Reconnect Media'
6. Point to the 'digital_negative' clips (ignore Mismatch warning) and all your clips should reconnect

You now have a full HDV24 version of a timeline you edited in DV

We are doing our best to keep up with the latest formats and offer our customers working solutions, now. Expect frequent releases from Lumiere HD...

Thank you,

Frederic
__________________
Frederic Haubrich
Lumiere HD

Hours ago, reading your question from India, I provided specific advice to you.

My post is missing -- so I have to wonder if it was deleted because it began with the advice to not use Lumiere. So what if there is a lumiere group on this site?

Brian needed help and he was not and still is not getting results with lumiere.

----------

Brian, lumiere is clearly not working for you. The fact that you felt you needed ask help here indicates a lack of support for a product you paid for. When I read "customized, temporary, workflow" instructions about a product, it's not one I would put my job on the line for.

There are much better, simpler, working solutions you could be using right now. They are well documented.

Isn't this it?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...601#post404601

By the way, this isn't an HD100 question -- it's a Lumiere question. So I think I will move this thread to our Lumiere forum.

@Chris - you beat me to it. I just read S. Mullens post on the other thread.

@Bruce, it would help if you could keep it under one post heading. I'm getting confused. Tim listed steps for Lumiere that may help or you can check out any of the other suggestions. This IS the place to be to get help with the HD-100 and workflow.

BTW: do you go by the alias "maestro" on DVXuser?

Moved to Lumiere forum from HD100 forum.

Ok I've asked many questions about the process of this TEMPORARY WORKFLOW but no one has been able to answer my questions. I'm sorry to sound so annoying but this is a very critical issue for me right now. Mr. Mullen, I checked your site and found nothing so far about working "double system" what does that mean? I'm surprised this issue has been tackled before, I have searched these forums for an answer but have found none. Is apple going to release an update by the ninth? If not I'm in big trouble. If this has been tackled before, please refer me to the post that explains how one uses THE HD100 to EDIT FOOTAGE REAL TIME IN FCP. I tried Mr. Nate Weaver's suggestions, and they didn't work out. Perhaps he could enlighten me as to his specific CAPTURE and workflow methods since he has proven capable of shooting editing and producing final products in this medium.

Lumiere HD has not responded to my requests for clarification in their "CUSTOMIZED TEMPORARY WORKFLOW SOLUTION"

FROM PREVIOUS POST:

"This is getting me ticked, when I go to STEP 9: add to selection and scale it totally screws up the audio, I get this strange tremelo effect, is this normal? The regular audio file doesen't have this, the sound wavers in the add to selection and scaled version, how do I get normal audio? PLease explain this to me.

STEP 11: 11. Open all digital negative movs and export to codec of choice in 23.98 (DV, 720 X 480, 23.98) to a folder called 'realtime_clips'

How do I export these clips? Individually? Do I repeat steps 1-10 again anda again and again? Please tell me what to do! What codec is recommended?"

The audio screws up when I do this. ADD TO SELECTION AND SCALE. I've done it dozens of times. I'm sorry to sound sooooo hysterical and needy but it's make or break for me right now and if I don't get this system up and running I've really done for. Please somebody, if this has been discussed in detail I will greatly appreciate refering me to a previous post, I have been unable to find this information in the forums. WHAT IS "DOUBLE SYSTEM" STEVE MUllen I checked your site and did a search but found nothing accessible about editing double system. Would you be so kind as to give me a brief explanation? What software am I to capture with etc. workflow whathaveyou perhaps I'm an idiot but I could not find this information on your site without ostensibly first buying your book. PLease help!!!

Bruce,

Are you using Lumiere HD beta 1.6b2? Make sure you are by doing "About Lumiere HD" before demultiplexing.

Support for Lumiere HD is provided on our forum, not here. We don't check this forum very frequently. This is information which was provided with the email when you purchased the product.

Many, many customers are succesfully editing HD100 24p with Lumiere HD and enjoy realtime in the FCP timeline.

The solution isn't perfect, but it works. It does require however that you follow the workflow exactly. One small error will through the workflow.

Simply try the workflow and post one question at a time on the support forum located at when you hit a snag and we'll help you:

http://lumierehd.com/forums/

Finally, I always recommend to give yourself time to experiment with new technology before jumping in a mission critical project with workflows you haven't tested. This stuff is getting more and more complicated and intricate as new formats are introduced. The good old time of DV are gone.

It generates too much stress on you and everyone else involved.

So please, give it a shot and let us know one issue at a time and we'll help you through it.

For instance. You mention using DVCPRO HD 60p but our workflow mentions DV 720X480. Were you able to complete the workflow with our parameters first before venturing into changing it?

Frederic

Actually, it's not even necessary with the JVC. There are other ways to digitize 720P24 footage.

Tim-

How can you digitize the footage if FCP 5.0 doesn't support it?

New beta just released of Lumiere HD - v1.6b6
 

http://www.lumierehd.com/currentbeta_download.php

They don't have a version history but have claimed "improved compatibility with Hd100 & BR-HD50," but from what I gather on their boards "auto increment" should work properly now, crashing during demultiplexing should be fixed, and it shouldn't crash when capturing over TC breaks.

Frederic has also mentioned that he hopes "betas will come more frequently now."

My fingers are crossed! I'll post back once I've thoroughly tested this beta.

You can use HDVxDV or DVHS Cap to capture the m2t stream directly from the camera.
You can use iMovie HD or FCP5's HDV to AIC capture to capture 720P24 without sound and then use Cinema Tools to batch conform it back to 23.98.

Mr. Dashwood - Anxiously awaiting word on Lumiere
 

Hi Tim,

You've got us anxiously awaiting your report of Lumiere. Per your suggestion I, and surely many others, downloaded HDVxDv and have been playing with it.

But I am waiting to hear your thoughts on the new Lumiere update to make, my purchasing decisions.

Has anyone posted a potential workflow for finish on Blu Ray yet?

Thanks for everything you post.

Tom Chaney

New owner of JVC GY-HD100!

www.tomchaney.com

ADMIN NOTE: Merged this post from a separate cross-post thread.

Hi Tim,

I'm a huge fan of your posts.

I just picked up a JVC camera and I am anxiously awaiting your word on this update. Per your suggestion, I am trying HDVxDv.

We are starting a feature that we would like to deliver on HD-DVD in the future.

Any thoughts on workflow for Blu-Ray?

Thanks for all your suggestions.

Tom Chaney

www.tomchaney.com

They've just released v 1.6b6. Wow, I guess they have sped up the beta cycles from a few months to 2 days!
http://www.lumierehd.com/currentbeta_download.php

IT NOW SUPPORTS 720P24 OUTPUT BACK TO TAPE!

This is a big step forward for the product if it works. I will be testing this latest beta by the end of the week.


Stick with the workflow in DVD Studio Pro 4 for HD discs. Blu-ray will use MPEG-2 codec, HD-DVD will use H.264.
There are still alot of unknowns that I'm sure will be cleared up at NAB, but I'm hoping blue ray will be able to play native HDV m2t streams at 19.2 or 25mbps. If you are interested in the format war, check this out.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/hddvd_bluray.htm

Tim,

Thanks for the info.

Seeing who, and how many, of the big dogs are supporting Blu-Ray, I can't imagine it won't be the winner.

I look forward to your thoughts on Lumiere.

Tom

www.tomchaney.com

I promised to report back here ages ago and then totally forgot.

The good news is that v1.6b6 actually works considerably better than 1.6b2 ever did. However, there are still some glitches.

My notes for v1.6b6:

• Auto Increment now works!
• Transport controls no longer "grey out" after capturing the first clip.
• The Note field still will not accept any text.
• I got an "Unexpected Quit" once during demux, but it worked the next time.
• "Custom size" entry doesn't seem to have any effect on the converted quicktime, but it is a nice idea to have it there now.
• XML seems to work properly with FCP5 now, so there was no need to do the 15-step Quicktime Pro process.
• Output to 720P24 from any of the original m2t files works well.
• Conversion of final edit back to m2t created a bad file that looked weird with the image shrunk to 1/4 size in the corner and then the rest was digital video "noise."

In the future I hope that they can add a LIVE VIDEO PREVIEW window, LOG & BATCH CAPTURE feature, and SEARCH buttons (FCP and iMovie can search on the HD100, why not Lumiere HD?)

720 24p lumiere hd
 

i just purchased and dowloaded the latest beta of lumiere hd.
i follow the workflow exactly like stated on the lumhd forum. everything work fine just that the final mov and or the imorted m2v files are way faster than the original. the sound is perfect and has the right speed.

we shoot on the jvc GY-HD100 and i us it to capture. we shoot on hdv 24p.
this is ment to be blown up onto 35mm so i need to stick to 24fps.

what am i doing wrong?

tank u so much for ur help