Various posts concerning GR-HD1U and JY-HD10U

John Eriksson · August 29th, 2003, 03:59 PM

What ohters on the forum told me:

Barry Green said:
Theoretically you should be able to get exquisite slow motion, with motion rendering comparable to the VariCam, by shooting in 60fps. But, you're sacrificing the HD image resolution in exchange for higher temporal resolution, so I don't know if the two would intercut well. If you want to shoot your entire project in SD 16:9 MPEG2 mode, you should be able to get the best slow motion possible on any SD-format camera (making allowances for the camera's other limitations, such as narrow latitude, etc).

And David Newman said:
Currently Aspect HD doesn't support the 480p mode, but supporting 60p as a slow motion source is an excellent idea that I hope we can implement in the future.

And I want to say to JVC and Aspect HD and Barry Green + David Newman, Thank you! Very nice!

Heath McKnight · August 29th, 2003, 06:49 PM

Go here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=13858

This is kind of off-topic, so go to TOTEM!

heath

T. Patrick Murray · August 29th, 2003, 09:23 PM

I partially agree this is off-topic
(since this is a JVC forum)

but since the essence of the JVC is HD/progressive/filmesque imagery,

I thought it relevant to talk about the HIGH END of this technology
(the MTV Awards cameras- whatever they were)
as we currently discuss the LOW END (the JY-HD10u)...

The reason? We see how good it can get,
and the road to get there.

Anyone agree?

T. Patrick Murray

Darren Kelly · September 1st, 2003, 03:12 PM

I'm very interested in this package and I know today is suppose to be the ship date to the folks who bought it early.

Since I have yet to buy the camera or of course Steve's package, I thought I'd post a question to see if anyone has tried it and can confirm it works as great as it sounds it will.

So, what can you tell me.

Thanks in Advance

DBK

Steve Mullen · September 2nd, 2003, 12:04 AM

I just sent 4HDV to those who had pre-ordered it.

Thank you for waiting for it to be finished!

Hopefully, some of these folks will post comments.

Remember it covers both the HD1 and the HD10.

And the Shooting Guide includes a Chapter on both Mac and PC editing solutions.

Glenn Gipson · September 2nd, 2003, 01:07 PM

I’ve come to notice that there is one little overlooked advantage that the JVC HD10 has over all other SD cams: Bigger internet video windows for the same, or even less bandwidth then standard SD clips. Am I wrong?

Peter Moore · September 2nd, 2003, 03:32 PM

Only if Media Player and the like start supporting the MPEG_TS. But Windows Media 9 can always be configured to use less bandwidth, even for SD, so I really don't see what the advantage would be, except with this camera your source material is overcompressed already

Ken Hodson · September 3rd, 2003, 12:39 AM

Internet delivery never uses the same codec as the cam.
Popular Internet codecs are WM9, DiVX, and Quicktime. You compress your usually huge files with these codecs to make them net friendly. The size of the files will depend on the resolution and the amount of compression you set.

Darren Kelly · September 7th, 2003, 12:23 PM

So did anyone have a chance to test this yet?

I'm really interested in it, but would really like to read a review?

Cheers

DBK

John Harwood · September 8th, 2003, 07:18 AM

I’m looking to get the HD10, but its not available in the UK and the PAL version which is due soon will not have the HD enabled. Can anyone see problems in using a US purchased camera here in the UK?
My plans are to use it only for capture of high quality/high resolution HD and SD for editing within FCP on my G4 Mac, and then output to DVD for the education market. I presume I can configure my DVD’s for use on PAL or NTSC televisions? I don’t do film work.
I presume that I will need Steve Mullen’s software, but other than that and the relevant transformer for the different electrical output, can anyone see other problems with this set up?

Many thanks

Steve Mullen · September 8th, 2003, 11:18 AM

You don't need a transformer.

Your DVDs will be NTSC not PAL. Which isn't a problem in many cases.

You should purchase an LCD projector for viewing. It will present 720p60.

Jim Clark · September 8th, 2003, 12:12 PM

We just purchased the JY-HD10u last week and have found that it doesn't meet our needs for Visual FX production because it does not have manual control over the iris like our work requires, and post is a major issue with our existing post pipeline.

We rolled about 10 minutes of tape, and after 2 days of extensively looking at its features, we decided it doesn't meet our requirements. We are selling the camera instead of returning it because the vendor we purchased from wants to charge us a 15% restocking fee but it isn't worth taking the steep loss. (Beware of Broadway Photo!)

The camera is listed on ebay right now and comes with 2 extra long life 300MaH batteries, 3 filter kit, and n AC/DC rapid charger, all unopened and brand new. Bid rpice is $3099, Buy Now for $3199. We just paid $3700 with the accessories, last Monday.

Best Regards,

Jim Clark

Heath McKnight · September 8th, 2003, 01:28 PM

Jim,

I feel your pain, but the losses would be too great for me to sell my HD10. Lesson learned for us! (But the image quality is great and it's only a matter of time before we can edit without any problems.)

JVC, make everything MANUAL in addition to auto!

heath

Steven Galvano · September 13th, 2003, 04:06 PM

wow, I just got back from B&H with my new HD10 and have been doing A/B tests with my 3 chip GL-1. The resolution is drastically better, but what I didn't expect is it's superb color reproduction. The GL1 was never especially good, it tended to blow out the reds. the A/B tests showed a DRASTIC improvment in color reproduction over the GL1 and in my opinion it can rival any 2/3" 3xCCD broadcast camera I've seen. This is in moderate to to good lighting (interior). Saturation suffered in lower lighting - but ANY camera would to some degree. There has been much written about the light sensitivity of this camera, I've found that it's much better then I expected. In low light it's contrasty. In the same light, my GL1 would be brighter, but far more grainy. I would opt for the HD10's look.

The prob. with MY HD10 is it's missing a pixel (or small group of them, so it's going back for an exchange. Is this a common prob.?? Just hope it doesnt happen on the road--

Thanks!!

Steven Galvano

Frank Granovski · September 13th, 2003, 06:17 PM

The single chip depate? There's nothing wrong with 1 CCD cams, it's just that some are better than others. I've got 2 older JVC 1 chip cams, and I use them to put bread and butter on my table. Concerning the GL1, perhaps compare the GL2's footage of that with the HD10 in DV mode, this way you will be comparing only 1 apple with 1 orange, instead of 2 with each. :)

August 29th, 2003, 03:59 PM	#121
John Eriksson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 57	************************** What ohters on the forum told me: Barry Green said: Theoretically you should be able to get exquisite slow motion, with motion rendering comparable to the VariCam, by shooting in 60fps. But, you're sacrificing the HD image resolution in exchange for higher temporal resolution, so I don't know if the two would intercut well. If you want to shoot your entire project in SD 16:9 MPEG2 mode, you should be able to get the best slow motion possible on any SD-format camera (making allowances for the camera's other limitations, such as narrow latitude, etc). And David Newman said: Currently Aspect HD doesn't support the 480p mode, but supporting 60p as a slow motion source is an excellent idea that I hope we can implement in the future. And I want to say to JVC and Aspect HD and Barry Green + David Newman, Thank you! Very nice!

August 29th, 2003, 06:49 PM	#122
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Go here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=13858 This is kind of off-topic, so go to TOTEM! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

August 29th, 2003, 09:23 PM	#123
T. Patrick Murray Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 33	I partially agree this is off-topic (since this is a JVC forum) but since the essence of the JVC is HD/progressive/filmesque imagery, I thought it relevant to talk about the HIGH END of this technology (the MTV Awards cameras- whatever they were) as we currently discuss the LOW END (the JY-HD10u)... The reason? We see how good it can get, and the road to get there. Anyone agree? T. Patrick Murray __________________ www.TheLastGame.com "The HOOP DREAMS of football..." USA TODAY (Mike Clark) FOUR STARS

September 1st, 2003, 03:12 PM	#124
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	Steve Mullens 4HDV Package - Anyone try it yet? I'm very interested in this package and I know today is suppose to be the ship date to the folks who bought it early. Since I have yet to buy the camera or of course Steve's package, I thought I'd post a question to see if anyone has tried it and can confirm it works as great as it sounds it will. So, what can you tell me. Thanks in Advance DBK

September 2nd, 2003, 12:04 AM	#125
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	I just sent 4HDV to those who had pre-ordered it. Thank you for waiting for it to be finished! Hopefully, some of these folks will post comments. Remember it covers both the HD1 and the HD10. And the Shooting Guide includes a Chapter on both Mac and PC editing solutions. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 2nd, 2003, 01:07 PM	#126
Glenn Gipson Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Plainfield, New Jersey Posts: 927	Am I wrong here? I’ve come to notice that there is one little overlooked advantage that the JVC HD10 has over all other SD cams: Bigger internet video windows for the same, or even less bandwidth then standard SD clips. Am I wrong?

September 2nd, 2003, 03:32 PM	#127
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Only if Media Player and the like start supporting the MPEG_TS. But Windows Media 9 can always be configured to use less bandwidth, even for SD, so I really don't see what the advantage would be, except with this camera your source material is overcompressed already

September 3rd, 2003, 12:39 AM	#128
Ken Hodson Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 1,315	Internet delivery never uses the same codec as the cam. Popular Internet codecs are WM9, DiVX, and Quicktime. You compress your usually huge files with these codecs to make them net friendly. The size of the files will depend on the resolution and the amount of compression you set. __________________ Damnit Jim, I'm a film maker not a sysytems tech.

September 7th, 2003, 12:23 PM	#129
Darren Kelly Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 351	So did anyone have a chance to test this yet? I'm really interested in it, but would really like to read a review? Cheers DBK

September 8th, 2003, 07:18 AM	#130
John Harwood Tourist Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 3	HD10 not available in UK so use a US cam? I’m looking to get the HD10, but its not available in the UK and the PAL version which is due soon will not have the HD enabled. Can anyone see problems in using a US purchased camera here in the UK? My plans are to use it only for capture of high quality/high resolution HD and SD for editing within FCP on my G4 Mac, and then output to DVD for the education market. I presume I can configure my DVD’s for use on PAL or NTSC televisions? I don’t do film work. I presume that I will need Steve Mullen’s software, but other than that and the relevant transformer for the different electrical output, can anyone see other problems with this set up? Many thanks

September 8th, 2003, 11:18 AM	#131
Steve Mullen HDV Cinema Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,007	You don't need a transformer. Your DVDs will be NTSC not PAL. Which isn't a problem in many cases. You should purchase an LCD projector for viewing. It will present 720p60. __________________ Switcher's Quick Guide to the Avid Media Composer >>> http://home.mindspring.com/~d-v-c

September 8th, 2003, 12:12 PM	#132
Jim Clark Tourist Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santa Barbara, CA Posts: 2	Selling JY-HD10U We just purchased the JY-HD10u last week and have found that it doesn't meet our needs for Visual FX production because it does not have manual control over the iris like our work requires, and post is a major issue with our existing post pipeline. We rolled about 10 minutes of tape, and after 2 days of extensively looking at its features, we decided it doesn't meet our requirements. We are selling the camera instead of returning it because the vendor we purchased from wants to charge us a 15% restocking fee but it isn't worth taking the steep loss. (Beware of Broadway Photo!) The camera is listed on ebay right now and comes with 2 extra long life 300MaH batteries, 3 filter kit, and n AC/DC rapid charger, all unopened and brand new. Bid rpice is $3099, Buy Now for $3199. We just paid $3700 with the accessories, last Monday. Best Regards, Jim Clark __________________ It's all up from here...

September 8th, 2003, 01:28 PM	#133
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Jim, I feel your pain, but the losses would be too great for me to sell my HD10. Lesson learned for us! (But the image quality is great and it's only a matter of time before we can edit without any problems.) JVC, make everything MANUAL in addition to auto! heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 13th, 2003, 04:06 PM	#134
Steven Galvano Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 109	the single chip debate wow, I just got back from B&H with my new HD10 and have been doing A/B tests with my 3 chip GL-1. The resolution is drastically better, but what I didn't expect is it's superb color reproduction. The GL1 was never especially good, it tended to blow out the reds. the A/B tests showed a DRASTIC improvment in color reproduction over the GL1 and in my opinion it can rival any 2/3" 3xCCD broadcast camera I've seen. This is in moderate to to good lighting (interior). Saturation suffered in lower lighting - but ANY camera would to some degree. There has been much written about the light sensitivity of this camera, I've found that it's much better then I expected. In low light it's contrasty. In the same light, my GL1 would be brighter, but far more grainy. I would opt for the HD10's look. The prob. with MY HD10 is it's missing a pixel (or small group of them, so it's going back for an exchange. Is this a common prob.?? Just hope it doesnt happen on the road-- Thanks!! Steven Galvano

September 13th, 2003, 06:17 PM	#135
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	The single chip depate? There's nothing wrong with 1 CCD cams, it's just that some are better than others. I've got 2 older JVC 1 chip cams, and I use them to put bread and butter on my table. Concerning the GL1, perhaps compare the GL2's footage of that with the HD10 in DV mode, this way you will be comparing only 1 apple with 1 orange, instead of 2 with each. :)

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