HD200U Overcranking & Capturing Questions at DVinfo.net

James Thirston · March 5th, 2008, 02:35 AM

Apologies in advance to the mods of the forum because I'm not sure if this is the right area...

I'll be receiving my new JVC GY-HD200U from B&H hopefully this week or early next week (depends on the mood of the customs official I guess), however, I have a couple of questions:

1) When shooting in over-crank mode (50P or 60P) does the camera also record audio or is it like the HVX200 where it only captures video?

2) For those capturing & editing in Vegas Pro 8, do you use the standard project settings that come in Vegas for editing 720P HDV, and is it a case of slowing down the footage by 50% to get the normal 30P/25P from 60P/50P?

Cheers,
JT

Ted Ramasola · March 5th, 2008, 03:41 AM

James,

i have an hd100 which i use to record 480 60P. it records audio in that mode.

Ted

Marc Colemont · March 5th, 2008, 05:31 AM

James,
No worries, the camera records audio on any of the possible framerates.

Jad Meouchy · March 5th, 2008, 01:34 PM

I can only guess that due to some Panasonic oversight, the HVX is unable to record audio when capturing 60p. The JVC has no trouble at all.

Edius and Vegas have no problem with 720/60p. If you want a 60p timeline, you can go into vegas project properties and change the framerate to 59.94. I don't believe Adobe Premiere CS3 allows for 720/60p and I don't know about FCP.

Sean Adair · March 5th, 2008, 01:37 PM

James - 60p acquisition is not specifically designed for overcrank effects. Audio is normal, and is is synced to 60p. You can do entire projects in this mode as appropriate. The compression is a bit more aggressive, being at the same bw for twice the frames, but makes sense for many things.

To accomplish the overcrank realistic slomo, you would be working in an edit sequence that is of a shorter frame rate 30 or 24p. You can't just drop this clip in there - it will re-render it throwing away the extra frames.

On mac/fcp we have a tool "cinema tools" which lets you "conform" to the framerate of the your other material. Then, on import, the clip is longer and slower, but without repeated frames.

Vegas is supposed to be quite flexible with these things, but I don't know the workflow on that platform

James Thirston · March 10th, 2008, 12:55 AM

Thanks to all who replied - I'm looking forward to checking the 720P-60 on the timeline.

Good news! After 2 years of saying yes then no to the ProHD cams and then finally taking the plunge, I finally got my 200U today!

Bad news!! B&H forgot to ship the included Anton Bauer Titan 70 Charger/Power Supply & TrimPac battery :((

Can you think of anything more frustrating??!! I feel like a kid on Xmas morning who just unwrapped his long awaited XBox360 but can't play it because there's a power blackout. AAAARRGGGG!!!!!

JT

Sean Adair · March 11th, 2008, 12:01 PM

James, The AB pack is not part of JVC's packaging, but perhaps part of a promotional bonus. Some people had to wait a long time for them in the past, but I would think it should be stocked pretty quickly now.
Get on the case, but realize that manufacturer and stock are differently sourced from the camera.

March 5th, 2008, 02:35 AM	#1
James Thirston Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 64	HD200U Overcranking & Capturing Questions Apologies in advance to the mods of the forum because I'm not sure if this is the right area... I'll be receiving my new JVC GY-HD200U from B&H hopefully this week or early next week (depends on the mood of the customs official I guess), however, I have a couple of questions: 1) When shooting in over-crank mode (50P or 60P) does the camera also record audio or is it like the HVX200 where it only captures video? 2) For those capturing & editing in Vegas Pro 8, do you use the standard project settings that come in Vegas for editing 720P HDV, and is it a case of slowing down the footage by 50% to get the normal 30P/25P from 60P/50P? Cheers, JT

March 5th, 2008, 05:31 AM	#3
Marc Colemont Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 695	James, No worries, the camera records audio on any of the possible framerates. __________________ Marc Colemont - Belgium - http://www.mc-productions.be JVC GY-HM850's, HM890, HM600

March 5th, 2008, 01:34 PM	#4
Jad Meouchy Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 663	I can only guess that due to some Panasonic oversight, the HVX is unable to record audio when capturing 60p. The JVC has no trouble at all. Edius and Vegas have no problem with 720/60p. If you want a 60p timeline, you can go into vegas project properties and change the framerate to 59.94. I don't believe Adobe Premiere CS3 allows for 720/60p and I don't know about FCP. __________________ software engineer

March 5th, 2008, 01:37 PM	#5
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	James - 60p acquisition is not specifically designed for overcrank effects. Audio is normal, and is is synced to 60p. You can do entire projects in this mode as appropriate. The compression is a bit more aggressive, being at the same bw for twice the frames, but makes sense for many things. To accomplish the overcrank realistic slomo, you would be working in an edit sequence that is of a shorter frame rate 30 or 24p. You can't just drop this clip in there - it will re-render it throwing away the extra frames. On mac/fcp we have a tool "cinema tools" which lets you "conform" to the framerate of the your other material. Then, on import, the clip is longer and slower, but without repeated frames. Vegas is supposed to be quite flexible with these things, but I don't know the workflow on that platform __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)

March 10th, 2008, 12:55 AM	#6
James Thirston Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NSW, Australia Posts: 64	Thanks to all who replied - I'm looking forward to checking the 720P-60 on the timeline. Good news! After 2 years of saying yes then no to the ProHD cams and then finally taking the plunge, I finally got my 200U today! Bad news!! B&H forgot to ship the included Anton Bauer Titan 70 Charger/Power Supply & TrimPac battery :(( Can you think of anything more frustrating??!! I feel like a kid on Xmas morning who just unwrapped his long awaited XBox360 but can't play it because there's a power blackout. AAAARRGGGG!!!!! JT Last edited by James Thirston; March 10th, 2008 at 05:56 AM.

March 5th, 2008, 03:41 AM	#2
Ted Ramasola Trustee Join Date: May 2005 Location: Allen, Texas U.S.A Posts: 1,117	James, i have an hd100 which i use to record 480 60P. it records audio in that mode. Ted

March 11th, 2008, 12:01 PM	#7
Sean Adair Major Player Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 463	James, The AB pack is not part of JVC's packaging, but perhaps part of a promotional bonus. Some people had to wait a long time for them in the past, but I would think it should be stocked pretty quickly now. Get on the case, but realize that manufacturer and stock are differently sourced from the camera. __________________ Sean Adair - NYC - www.adairproductions.com JVC GY-HM-700 with 17x5 lens, MacPro 3.2ghz 8-core, 18gb. (JVC HD200 4 sale soon)