HD100 Series Scene File Recipes & Downloadable .SCN files

Luis Otero · May 17th, 2006, 04:02 PM

Ram,

The way I have always used the V3 of Paolo's Scene File is to get as much as possible latitude of the colors present during shooting. It is then when you can go to post and tweak, only if necessary, your footage.

In other terms, it provides you as accurate color representation of the colors (hence called "True Color") as possible, as opposed to RAW type of footage, in which you MUST do in post a lot of tweaks to develop the color palet that best suite the intention or the mood of the scene.

I know is sometimes difficult to grasp this concept, but the HD100 has no RAW sensor, hence you must set the parameters in camera to obtain the best representation of the true colors during your shooting process. Still you can do more tweaks during post, but they are, IMO, minimal. That is why I love them!

Hope this helps,

Luis Otero

Ram Ganesh · May 17th, 2006, 05:29 PM

Thanks Luis - thats the answer I was looking for.

Paolo Ciccone · May 21st, 2006, 03:39 PM

Hey Tim.

I didn't notice that you updated the sticky to include TC 3 until today.
Thanks!

Paolo Ciccone · May 21st, 2006, 03:49 PM

Hi Ram.

Luis already explained part of this but I just wanted to be add a couple of things. Difference scene files are published with different purposes. Sometimes you might want to create a definite look in the camera. This could be the case of a video production where you don't have much time to do post work before it's shown in your local news channel. In this case tweaking the camera to adapt it to the situation could be the best option you have.

In the case of "TrueColor" the idea was to get the most 1:1 configuration I could find. It's not about creating a "look" as much as giving you the most color information in order to create the look in post. The factory settings for the HD100 are not very accurate. Having said so, a lot of people use TC the way it is, with very minimal post work.

Hope this helps

Brian Duke · June 22nd, 2006, 01:00 AM

I am about to shoot some stuff and I wanted to use some of your files. I just wanted to know if you have any updates on your files, form your own shoot or others, and if so, what are they?

Stephen L. Noe · June 29th, 2006, 06:20 AM

Hi,

When you were setup with the DSC chart and did your adjustments, did you use ITU-709 as the reference for the color gamut?

S.Noe

Yletin Thuz · July 5th, 2006, 07:36 PM

Just got the JVC HD100.
I need all the help for the setting.Thanks a lot for all the great works.
Having problem downloading the recipe of Panamatch of Stephen L. Noe.

NE! make a mirror?

TIA

Paolo Ciccone · July 5th, 2006, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

Hi,
When you were setup with the DSC chart and did your adjustments, did you use ITU-709 as the reference for the color gamut?

Hi Stephen.
I used DVRack with what it was the Vscope agt that time. I looked at the difference between 601 and 709 and there are pretty small. Here is a link to DSC's founder white paper about it. You can see the two color spaces side by side. http://dsclabs.com/Image%20Optimization%20040227.pdf
I have updated DVRack and I'll re-run the test and post the results asap.

Brian Duke · July 24th, 2006, 02:55 AM

Anyone have the settings for Fincher's "Seven" and Spielberg's "Munich."?

Tim Dashwood · July 24th, 2006, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Duke

Anyone have the settings for Fincher's "Seven" and Spielberg's "Munich."?

Hi Brian,

I answered the Munich question in your other thread.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?p=516824

Khondji also used a silver retention process for Se7en, but it is slightly different than Technicolor's ENR that Kaminski usually uses.
Se7en utilized Deluxe's CCE process, which has more grain and is even higher contrast.
So, I would suggest that to emulate Se7en, put the HD100 on +6dB and use my Bleach Bypass setting. You may want to increase the colour saturation slightly though.

Brian Duke · July 24th, 2006, 02:23 PM

Thanks Tim. You're The Man...!

Since I use the Mini35 to shoot and sinc eit already has substantial amount of grain, is it still wise to put the Gain up +6?

Tim Dashwood · July 24th, 2006, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Duke

Thanks Tim. You're The Man...!

Since I use the Mini35 to shoot and sinc eit already has substantial amount of grain, is it still wise to put the Gain up +6?

It is really up to you and what you can tolerate for post-production and final print. Personally, I avoid gain at all costs. If you really want to add more grain, there are plug-ins that do it well.

K. Forman · July 24th, 2006, 06:42 PM

Just a quick question regarding scene files and user settings- Say I have a 256 MB memory card. Would I be able to set up all of these scene files on it, or am I limited to only a few?

Steve Oakley · July 24th, 2006, 10:41 PM

you can only put 4 scene files on a card name EXT1 thru EXT4

you can pop the card into your PC ... this is such a dopey limitation, espcially since the scene files are so small.

so if you have some old 16mb/32mb cards, this is the perfect use for them.

Steve Oakley

K. Forman · July 25th, 2006, 06:43 AM

Actually, it's more like I bought the wrong 256MB flash card for the Rebel, and discovered it will fit into the HD100. Just trying to find a use for it ;)

May 17th, 2006, 05:29 PM	#32
Ram Ganesh Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 175	Thanks Luis - thats the answer I was looking for. __________________ http://www.wizedot.com

May 21st, 2006, 03:39 PM	#33
Paolo Ciccone Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,116	Hey Tim. I didn't notice that you updated the sticky to include TC 3 until today. Thanks! __________________ Paolo http://www.paolociccone.com Demo Reel

May 21st, 2006, 03:49 PM	#34
Paolo Ciccone Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,116	Hi Ram. Luis already explained part of this but I just wanted to be add a couple of things. Difference scene files are published with different purposes. Sometimes you might want to create a definite look in the camera. This could be the case of a video production where you don't have much time to do post work before it's shown in your local news channel. In this case tweaking the camera to adapt it to the situation could be the best option you have. In the case of "TrueColor" the idea was to get the most 1:1 configuration I could find. It's not about creating a "look" as much as giving you the most color information in order to create the look in post. The factory settings for the HD100 are not very accurate. Having said so, a lot of people use TC the way it is, with very minimal post work. Hope this helps __________________ Paolo http://www.paolociccone.com Demo Reel

June 22nd, 2006, 01:00 AM	#35
Brian Duke Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hollywood, California Posts: 899	Tim, Any updates for the files you posted? I am about to shoot some stuff and I wanted to use some of your files. I just wanted to know if you have any updates on your files, form your own shoot or others, and if so, what are they? __________________ Visit me and my work at www.artofduke.com

June 29th, 2006, 06:20 AM	#36
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Question for Paolo. Hi, When you were setup with the DSC chart and did your adjustments, did you use ITU-709 as the reference for the color gamut? S.Noe __________________ Advanced Avid Liquid Training found Here

May 17th, 2006, 04:02 PM	#31
Luis Otero Major Player Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Fort Dodge, IA Posts: 221	Ram, The way I have always used the V3 of Paolo's Scene File is to get as much as possible latitude of the colors present during shooting. It is then when you can go to post and tweak, only if necessary, your footage. In other terms, it provides you as accurate color representation of the colors (hence called "True Color") as possible, as opposed to RAW type of footage, in which you MUST do in post a lot of tweaks to develop the color palet that best suite the intention or the mood of the scene. I know is sometimes difficult to grasp this concept, but the HD100 has no RAW sensor, hence you must set the parameters in camera to obtain the best representation of the true colors during your shooting process. Still you can do more tweaks during post, but they are, IMO, minimal. That is why I love them! Hope this helps, Luis Otero

July 5th, 2006, 07:36 PM	#37
Yletin Thuz Tourist Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alameda , CA Posts: 2	Just got the JVC HD100. I need all the help for the setting.Thanks a lot for all the great works. Having problem downloading the recipe of Panamatch of Stephen L. Noe. NE! make a mirror? TIA

July 24th, 2006, 02:55 AM	#39
Brian Duke Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hollywood, California Posts: 899	Looking for more setttings for HD100... Anyone have the settings for Fincher's "Seven" and Spielberg's "Munich."? __________________ Visit me and my work at www.artofduke.com

July 24th, 2006, 02:23 PM	#41
Brian Duke Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Hollywood, California Posts: 899	Thanks Tim. You're The Man...! Since I use the Mini35 to shoot and sinc eit already has substantial amount of grain, is it still wise to put the Gain up +6? __________________ Visit me and my work at www.artofduke.com

July 24th, 2006, 06:42 PM	#43
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Just a quick question regarding scene files and user settings- Say I have a 256 MB memory card. Would I be able to set up all of these scene files on it, or am I limited to only a few? __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us

July 24th, 2006, 10:41 PM	#44
Steve Oakley Trustee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1,158	you can only put 4 scene files on a card name EXT1 thru EXT4 you can pop the card into your PC ... this is such a dopey limitation, espcially since the scene files are so small. so if you have some old 16mb/32mb cards, this is the perfect use for them. Steve Oakley

July 25th, 2006, 06:43 AM	#45
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Actually, it's more like I bought the wrong 256MB flash card for the Rebel, and discovered it will fit into the HD100. Just trying to find a use for it ;) __________________ www.SmokeWagonLeather.us