I'd also like to see an Operating Instructions manual (PDF) posted on Panasonic's website for the HVX200. Please post it now that the camera is shipping. :)

You mean the cheapest one!

great line up now for lower end HD

Sony FX1/Z1 if you're on a budget and don't mind interlace

JVC if you're a filmmaker on a budget who knows how to operate a Camera correctly

Canon if you need 1080 and better glass on the front.

HVX if you don't mind the fixed lens but want ALL those framerate options and a good in camera filmlook.

A bit simplistic I know, but basically it's all good news!

Personally it's the Canon AND the HVX for us - best of both worlds.

Am working on it. Right now the only version I have is 20MBs, too big to email and too large for a download. So hopefully soon the publications guys will send it to me.

Best,

Jan

too big for email, but not too big for hosting, JAN...

plz do so, it would be very useful and even could help some of us making the choice of buying the camera, since the manuals explain a lot of doubts

I second that Alex. I have cable modem access, so it would probably take less than a minute to download. :: wink :: wink :: :D

This has been the most anticipated release in a long time in my view. I'd like to poke around the manual to familiarize myself with the "ins and outs" of this wonderous camera.

I guess so, just hadn't tried that... But yeah, it does show up now in Vegas.

Yep.

Yeah, it works... I took the cheerleader/basketball footage over to my local Avid dealer and it worked fine.

Yeah, I'm itching to try this out... The guys at DV Film say it will work. If it works, then I won't have to buy Avid (at least not right away) and I can keep using Vegas. I just need someone to post some native MXF stuff.

Please... Pretty please?!?! (with sugar, and all that) Heck, none of us would mind a 20MB download considering the clips being posted are well over that.

Jan....

How is 20mbs to big for download, maybe 6 years ago. Kaku is pushing out way larger files, you telling me the huge Panasonic has bandwidth issue. hhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Actually I doubt Jan is too concerned about our ability to grab a 20 meg file; I think that its just larger than they're willing to host on their server. I just checked the color brochure and its less than 2 megs in size, so the Panasonic webmasters are probably quite frugal when it comes to hosting files.

Not to mention that *MOST* people out there (ie: their potential customers) don't have the bandwidth and/or the desire to download a 20MB file. It's a users' guide... It should be a B&W PDF, probably about 1 to 4 MB in size and the closer to 1~2MB the better.

wmv files anyone?

Can you upload an MXF file directly off the card? or are one of the zip files on the FTP already an MXF?

thanks amigo...

The ZIP files currently contain Quicktime files, which won't play on Windows, but if you have a MAC, you might be in business if you have the DVCPRO-HD codec... Jan mentioned ealier in this post that the MXF files can be copied directly off the card from the CONTENT folder. It'd be great if someone posts the RAW MXF files.

It does work, but only partially. The biggest problem is with 720p stuff -- DVFilm copies the contents over untouched, and Apple's Quicktime player will open the file and play it at native 720p. But Vegas insists on the file being 1920x1080. So Vegas scales it up to 1920x1080, even though the actual codec data is 960x720.

It does the same thing with 1080; instead of reporting the proper size it reports a full 1920x1080. Not ideal.

And then, on a reasonably fast system, you'll find that the Avid codec running through the Quicktime interface in Vegas is quite pokey. Around 4 frames per second. A proper native implementation should be playing back four or five streams in full-screen in realtime.

Overall the workaround is nowhere near a satisfactory solution. It is better than nothing, that's for sure; but it's not what we need. Not yet, at least.

I'm up. Jeez, it's after 11:15am.
Man, too many posts to read up...:)

People have to understand that hosting big file is costly. http://hvx200.moctel.com costed me 50$ just for 10hours of operation. That is over 1500$ per month.

I will have to discontinue this, or make a pay per transfered done. No one will host those huge file for free, and if it cost 50cent per gig of transfer, I wont have any problem pay for a few buck for having highdef, uncompress video.

What about 5$ minus paypal fees (50cent I think). Then 50cent per gig, so 9gig of transfer. I'll cover the user upload cost (ofcouse, since I too want to beable to access it fast too...).

If anyone know of other way to get $ out of this so we lower the cost, Im open for sugestion.

Well if you'd quit wasting valuable time sleeping... Sheesh.

I was up till 4:00am in the morning and considering what happened the night before...I'm still very sleepy. Pushing too much on 44 year old body.

Jeff moved the files to downloadible location so i will start linking them with descriptions.

Marc:

Bittorrent would be a good solution for this.
http://www.bittorrent.com/introduction.html

2- I have about 50GB of bandwidth I could donate. It actually goes up to around 100GB but the overage charge is $1/GB, so I would like to avoid that. You can click on my name and email me if you're interested.

Some web hosts oversell their bandwidth, so you can take advantage of that. Just pay attention to the overage charges.

powweb.com seems good for bandwidth, but I have no experience with them.
I have my web hosting with dreamhost.com, because it only cost me about $11 for the first year. You can get a year for ~$22 if you use the promo code BEST.


But anyways, bittorrent is likely the best if you put in the effort to figure it out.

Kaku, you do know I was completely joking, right? :)

You get as much sleep as you need and don't feel too rushed to get us footage. Everyone's waited this long for footage, a few hours either way shouldn't make a big difference at this point.

By the way, I'm setting up my dedicated video editing station at this very moment, can't wait to check some of the footage out! Many thanks for the efforts.

IMO It looks great compressed!
 

Kaku,

I exported some of your footage to H264 then imported it into Sorenson and compressed it to a setting that will work for a pretty wide audience. Then exported it from Sorenson as a .flv that plays for Mac or Windows.

It looked good enough for me to pick up the phone and call Brian at ZotzDigital.com and ask him where I was on the HVX200 list.

The workflow, the look of the footage... I want this camera.

Anyway, I have a link to one of your 8 second clips that is in a FlashPlayer that should enable just about everyone to see it to get an idea of what could be exported to the web. If you wish, I can post the link. Doesn't matter to me either way... I've seen it ;)

Bittorrent aint a permanent solutions... I HATE TO WAIT For bittorrents... but it an option, I ratter pay to see those footage, if I am to spend 6k$ for a camera, a 5$ for seeing sample amazing video isnt a problem. The first 3 hours took over 70gig of transfer. My cost is 46cent/gig.

Ive put 50cent because of the overhead of the packets that my download counter dont calculate, it just calculate the actual byte transfered.

If I take 4 000 gig of transfer/month, I might a few cent less, but still expensive.

Links are added and there are more to come
 

I'm adding links to the description posts. Just do search in the thread with the word "Kakugyo" and it will only display my posts with clips. Thus please do not use the word Kakugyo in this thread.

Kakugyo is not my name, Kaku is my name and gyo means activity. I made up the word for title of my personal website.

We must have been typing at the same time! Nevermind :)

Let's see what you've come up with.

Kaku, your site was brought down (http://www.xtream.ne.jp/ ) to it knees because of those footage ???

Jeff, no matter what you tell me, joke or not joke, I'm still sleepy :).

But it's true that I have to take so much responsiblity for doing this for sure.

I'm cutting and checking the footage on my FCP5 with KONA LH and 24inch full HD pixel Nanao S2410W connected via AJA HDP to get full pixel monitoring. Nanao's response time is 8mm sec, so it is pretty good even for interlace or fast motion on 60p. Only when the fast bamboo leaves moving then it won't do well, so I have tube SD monitor on the side to check the motion. I do have real HD monitor downstairs, but now I'm working with my dedicated personal machine like you are talking about.

and so, after doing all of this, I'm glad that I migrated to HVX200, but don't take my word because my useage is very niche.

Just need the OK from the main man, Kaku.

I had a slight problem before we started, the X-serve hunged up. So I had to reboot it. It seems going to the exact download directory seems little slow right now. But I saw maximum of 20 people logged in and doing download.

My connection don't have bandwith limit. It's FTTH and we have our own server running consisting few X-serves and some G5s.

Besides one of the related site being down right now (because of the previous problem), it is quite running okay. (and I had done this before with XLH1 footage, some popular mountainbike clips and so on).

Oh, and we limited the number connection to protect the bandwith.

Derek, go ahead. Thanks. Too many posts to respond, too :)

Chris Hurd got the footage uploaded here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=57068
- so I removed the link.

So... what is the "Family Truckster" worth?

... an inside joke to those who may remember my quest to find a HD/HDV that would be worthy of replacing the XL2 back in September: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...mily+truckster

That footage looks rather weird Derek. What is the frame rate? It almost looks like there is a stutter in there and a weird motion blur. I am not judging the camera by this but this particular clips looks very "fake" 24P. Again I am not saying it is but the encoding is off or something.

Can you clarify what happened? Anyone else seeing a very weird stutter effect and odd blur?

Thanks for posting the footage Derek. Marty, I am also noticing the wierd stuttering and accompanying motion blurs. The stuttering reminds me of the time I shot with an XL2 in 2:3:3:2 pulldown and looked at the viewfinder, which apparently was previewing the motion in 30p or 60i... very similar effect.

I did notice the blur in FCP 5.0.4, but thought it was just due to something Kaku was messing around with. Steev may be able to say if he saw the same thing or not. When I unzipped the file, it automatically opened up in FCP for me and I did not change any settings, as they looked like they were already set up. I've never been able to edit it this format, so I may have not set it up right. I just don't know.

Blurr thing aside, I was paying more attention to the colors and the fact that I could actually edit it, as opposed to what most Canon H1 owners are doing right now with 24F in Final Cut Pro, not through a lack of trying on their part.

It must be the conversion to Flash.
I can't beleive the HVX would really look like that. Of all companies, Panasonic is the last one to screw up 24p. They know their stuff.

and what are Canon H1 owners doing Derek? I'm kinda confused as to what you're saying. I don't want to misunderstand you.

- ShannonRawls.com

I got a 1GigE available to this box... Just I pay per gig transfered, not a fixed price. As user probably saw, it fast as hell (but limited to 100mbits rightnow) still my small calc show Im never going to get a HVX200 EVER because of this, it not good...

Ok, called my friend and got a deal for bandwidth, not perfect but better. 25cent/gig transfer. So will be about 28cent/gig for actual transfer. It can only be used for this purposes and no other. Nothing confirmed but looking good.

Not importing 24F into FCP from what I've been reading. I'm not saying anything negative abou Canon H1 owners, just that it kills me that Canon did not work a little more closely with Apple in making it work with FCP. And If anyone feels my post is too negative or offensive, I'll be happy to delete it.

Shannon, I truly appreciate all of your work over in the H1 forum, but as of now, I've only been able to read about all the great stuff it will do and have not been able to get footage and edit it in FCP. And it was easy to do so today with the stuff Kaku supplied.

I'll add that I was also just able to download the footage referenced just above in line #143 (using the "Kakugyo" search term) and I did not see any of the blur in that at all.

Huh? awww man, it's all good, chillout big pimpin'. I was just tryna understand what you were saying. I didn't detect you saying anything negative my man. I just got the colors and editing in FCP thing mixed up, that's all.

I'm a PC dude, so I don't know much about the FCP workflow. Everyting is good for PC users and 24p from the XL-H1.

- ShannonRawls.com

P.S.
Final Cut Pro will be able to edit .M2T files natively right on the timeline in real-time in its next release. *shhhhhhhhh* you didn't hear that from me.

They have both 24p and 24p advanced, so you have to treat them to make a real 24 frame clips.

Sorry, but I'm not into that much of film stuff but I made sure to have the right shutter speed for each format.

I'm posting the same scene with many formats including 24p, 24pa, 60p and 60i later.

I will do night shooting a little but it is very cold.