The best way to edit natively -- CineForm RAW in the camera.

Jason Rodriguez · June 11th, 2006, 11:38 AM

Currently we're not 64-bit, so having 64-bit is not going to help you in the next year or so . . . we have no time-table for going 64-bit.

So, for the next year, Core duo laptops with good PCI-express-based 1000Base-T chipsets (ideally Intel's 82573 chipset) will be perfect for everything you will need for this camera.

Mathieu Kassovitz · June 11th, 2006, 12:06 PM

Jason,

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Originally Posted by Mathieu Kassovitz

Two laptop solutions would be great: 17" and another lightweight one. 15,4" (M65 isn't it?) can be an option but if there would be smaller, it would be gold!

From what I could read, the M65 has a NVIDIA® Quadro FX 350M 512MB Turbocache, OpenGL and the M90 has a NVIDIA® Quadro FX 2500M, 512MB (dedicated), OpenGL. Substantial differences for the purpose (cam capture and online editing & CC-grading work) ? Or not really?

Merci!

Jason Rodriguez · June 11th, 2006, 04:16 PM

No substantial difference for our application . . . maybe with the new features of After Effects there might be.

Ari Presler · June 11th, 2006, 08:46 PM

Does the unit have Intel GigE...no mention of Wired Ethernet?

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Originally Posted by Douglas Call

the following unit is shipping from Dell right now. It has a 20.1 inch widescreen and RAID 0 (2x100GB) Hard Drive configuration see below.

Dell Inspiron XPS M2010:
Intel® Core® T2600 Duo Processor (2.16GHz/667MHz FSB)
Operating System (Office software not included):Genuine Windows® XP Professional
LCD Panel:20.1 inch WSXGA+ Wide Screen with TrueLife™ and Integrated Web Cam
Memory:2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz (2 Dimms)
Hard Drive:200GB (2 x 100)7200RPM High Performance RAID Hard Drives
Combo/DVD+RW Drives:Slot Load DVD Drive on XPS M2010
Sound Options:Integrated Creative SoundBlaster High Definition Audio
Video Card:256MB ATI MOBILITY™ RADEON® X1800
Wireless Networking Cards:Intel 3945 802.11a/g Dual-band Mini-Card

I runs on dual 6 cell batteries! the think looks ultra cool for bringing onsite to show client your work or editing on location.

But like some people already mentioned it doesn't appear to have x64 bit processors, although the Dell site says it is Vista enabled? whatever that means.

Ari Presler · June 11th, 2006, 10:21 PM

This Toshiba Tablet PC may be an excellent model to accompany a SILICON Mini.

It has several important features:

Core Duo up to 2.16GHz
Dual Channel DDR2 667MHz
Intel 10/100/1000 GigE
Wireless Networking
PCMCIA (put in a 32GB Flash Drive)
Tablet Touchscreen
4.5 lbs

http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/cont...400-ST9113.pdf

http://www.tabletpcreviewspot.com/de...econfigured%29

Mathieu Kassovitz · June 12th, 2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason Rodriguez

No substantial difference for our application . . .

Also for online editing? I'm afraid while the M65 graphics has memory shared, the M90 is dedicated. Or 2Gb is enough even to share with the graphics? Again: not only to SILICON Mini capture but also for online editing and color correcting & grading purposes?

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maybe with the new features of After Effects there might be.

What does it mean?

Merci Jason et Ari (that tablet PC bet can be useful and I hope a tablet PC as certified system from you)

Jason Rodriguez · June 12th, 2006, 05:37 AM

Our application means the Silicon Imaging capture and camera control application. A decent DX9-class graphics card will do the job since the program doesn't require THAT much from the graphics . . .

. . . Other applications like After Effects will take all the muscle you can give it.

Kevin Shaw · June 12th, 2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian Savage

I mean there is a beta 32bit version of vista but what is the point, it's memory that is an issue for us and that means a 64bit OS wins out...

From what I've seen most videographers aren't using more than 2 GB of memory, which is plenty for most current software. It might be good advice to wait for 64-bit computing, but I don't think it's going to make a huge difference for some of us.

Douglas Call · June 12th, 2006, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ari Presler

Does the unit have Intel GigE...no mention of Wired Ethernet?

Sorry it took a while to get back to you, yes the XPS 2010 does have 10/100/1000Kbs wired ethernet included (cat 5/6). It also has an optional blue tooth module if your into it. I'm not sure if the screen supports 1920x1200 native or not. My Dell XPS M170 (laptop) does have 1920x1200 native with all the same connections as the M2010 except web camera.

Ian Savage · June 13th, 2006, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw

From what I've seen most videographers aren't using more than 2 GB of memory, which is plenty for most current software. It might be good advice to wait for 64-bit computing, but I don't think it's going to make a huge difference for some of us.

Very true but my point was that some people (not all) out there will use an expensive laptop for very power hungry apps in edit situations (ie AE) and expect it to be a little future proofed and for the money that is very reasonable to expect, some really are not aware that the core duo's right now are not 64bit CPU's, I don't tbh even include a 32bit vista as worthwhile seeing as Xp is so reliable now (although the Beta version runs very nicley if you want a free OS for a year), you may as well stick with XP so I should have been more precise on 64bit vs 32bit rather than stating just Vista, my fault :-), I mean maybe others out there have more money to spend on Laptops than I do so it's not a concern at all to them and I was wrong to mention it but I'd rather wait and buy when I know the laptop will last me as long as possible and if 1 person felt the same then it's worth warning them about the current core duo's.

I do feel there are 2 seperate discussions here now about editing and SI capture, I bow down to the SI guys on capture, it's there stunning camera after all :-)

Jason Rodriguez · June 13th, 2006, 06:41 AM

I think in August we'll see the Merom systems starting to hit the market, so you'll get 64-bit then.

Remember that we're not certified to run on a 64-bit system right now . . . the gigabit drivers and API we're using for the camera data transfer are specifically made for 32-bit Windows, so if you're running 64-bit Windows, I'm not sure what to expect.

Ari Presler · June 13th, 2006, 06:57 AM

The Dell M1710 has Intel GigE and Dual Channel DDR:

http://www.dell.com/content/products...n=specs#tabtop

The M2010 does not have the Intel GigE, instead it uses a Broadcom.

Mathieu Kassovitz · June 13th, 2006, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ian Savage

Very true but my point was that some people (not all) out there will use an expensive laptop for very power hungry apps in edit situations (ie AE) and expect it to be a little future proofed and for the money that is very reasonable to expect, some really are not aware that the core duo's right now are not 64bit CPU's, I don't tbh even include a 32bit vista as worthwhile seeing as Xp is so reliable now (although the Beta version runs very nicley if you want a free OS for a year), you may as well stick with XP so I should have been more precise on 64bit vs 32bit rather than stating just Vista, my fault :-), I mean maybe others out there have more money to spend on Laptops than I do so it's not a concern at all to them and I was wrong to mention it but I'd rather wait and buy when I know the laptop will last me as long as possible and if 1 person felt the same then it's worth warning them about the current core duo's.

I do feel there are 2 seperate discussions here now about editing and SI capture, I bow down to the SI guys on capture, it's there stunning camera after all :-)

Much appreciated, c'est vrai! There are 2 separate discussions but also there is who wants the two-solution-in-one aside the After Effects interest. Majorly for online editing and color correcting & grading purposes.

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Originally Posted by Jason Rodriguez

Our application means the Silicon Imaging capture and camera control application. A decent DX9-class graphics card will do the job since the program doesn't require THAT much from the graphics . . .

. . . Other applications like After Effects will take all the muscle you can give it.

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950 with 8MB-128MB dynamically allocated shared graphics memory from the Ari hint will it be enough for both purposes?

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Originally Posted by Ari Presler

This Toshiba Tablet PC may be an excellent model to accompany a SILICON Mini.

It has several important features:

Core Duo up to 2.16GHz
Dual Channel DDR2 667MHz
Intel 10/100/1000 GigE
Wireless Networking
PCMCIA (put in a 32GB Flash Drive)
Tablet Touchscreen
4.5 lbs

http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/cont...400-ST9113.pdf

http://www.tabletpcreviewspot.com/de...econfigured%29

Ian Savage · June 13th, 2006, 07:14 AM

Thanks for the August date Jason, makes it worthwhile hanging on a few months to at least have a chance of future proofing my investment :-)

Jason Rodriguez · June 13th, 2006, 12:28 PM

The GMA950 will not accelerate the OpenGL features of After Effects 7.0 and it will not do the GPU acceleration of the Premiere Pro 2.0 filters like the fast color-corrector, etc.

Thanks,

Jason

June 11th, 2006, 10:21 PM	#65
Ari Presler Silicon Imaging Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York or Hollywood Posts: 214	Toshiba Tablet M400 This Toshiba Tablet PC may be an excellent model to accompany a SILICON Mini. It has several important features: Core Duo up to 2.16GHz Dual Channel DDR2 667MHz Intel 10/100/1000 GigE Wireless Networking PCMCIA (put in a 32GB Flash Drive) Tablet Touchscreen 4.5 lbs http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/cont...400-ST9113.pdf http://www.tabletpcreviewspot.com/de...econfigured%29

June 13th, 2006, 06:57 AM	#72
Ari Presler Silicon Imaging Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New York or Hollywood Posts: 214	Dell XPS Notebooks and GigE The Dell M1710 has Intel GigE and Dual Channel DDR: http://www.dell.com/content/products...n=specs#tabtop The M2010 does not have the Intel GigE, instead it uses a Broadcom.

June 11th, 2006, 11:38 AM	#61
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	Currently we're not 64-bit, so having 64-bit is not going to help you in the next year or so . . . we have no time-table for going 64-bit. So, for the next year, Core duo laptops with good PCI-express-based 1000Base-T chipsets (ideally Intel's 82573 chipset) will be perfect for everything you will need for this camera.

June 11th, 2006, 04:16 PM	#63
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	No substantial difference for our application . . . maybe with the new features of After Effects there might be.

June 12th, 2006, 05:37 AM	#67
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	Our application means the Silicon Imaging capture and camera control application. A decent DX9-class graphics card will do the job since the program doesn't require THAT much from the graphics . . . . . . Other applications like After Effects will take all the muscle you can give it.

June 13th, 2006, 06:41 AM	#71
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	I think in August we'll see the Merom systems starting to hit the market, so you'll get 64-bit then. Remember that we're not certified to run on a 64-bit system right now . . . the gigabit drivers and API we're using for the camera data transfer are specifically made for 32-bit Windows, so if you're running 64-bit Windows, I'm not sure what to expect.

June 13th, 2006, 07:14 AM	#74
Ian Savage Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England Posts: 88	Thanks for the August date Jason, makes it worthwhile hanging on a few months to at least have a chance of future proofing my investment :-)

June 13th, 2006, 12:28 PM	#75
Jason Rodriguez Trustee Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 1,095	The GMA950 will not accelerate the OpenGL features of After Effects 7.0 and it will not do the GPU acceleration of the Premiere Pro 2.0 filters like the fast color-corrector, etc. Thanks, Jason