SONY HDV HDR-FX1 will be out Oct. 15th

David Newman · September 7th, 2004, 12:33 PM

Ed,

More than Apple has announced HDV support in the last few days. This Sony camera is creating the first major wave of HDV, clearly indicated by today's announcements from Adobe, Apple, Canopus and ULead. Everyone is going to be a player. CineForm will remain the leader for high performance software based HDV and HD production. Stay tuned for CineForm annoucements in the coming months.

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2004, 12:44 PM

Whoa...

But I'll wait for a pro version with good audio. Of course I need to make some cash with the HD10 first...

heath

Barry Green · September 7th, 2004, 12:48 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Al Falaschi : but if the rules for converting DV 60i to 24p apply to HDV as well, will it not be easier to convert HDV 60i to 24p? -->>>
You don't need to: the camera does it internally. It offers a mode that simulates 24P and one that simulates 30P. I'm sure neither will be the resolution that you could get from true 24P and 30P, but hey, starting at 1440x1080 resolution, I'll bet the resulting 24P/30P conversions will look pretty good...

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2004, 01:04 PM

Interlaced is always easier to do transfers to 24P.

heath

Ed Hill · September 7th, 2004, 01:05 PM

I'm looking forward to the software upgrade.

Ignacio Rodriguez · September 7th, 2004, 01:40 PM

> But I'll wait for a pro version with good audio.

Having been introduced to a Beachtek/XL1 combo a few days ago, and knowing a bit about what goes on with the audio with such short cables, I must say that if the AD and input circuitry are good, having unbalanced audio is not really a big deal. Note that I have a PDX10 with XLR inputs: t's just like having a built-in Beachtek of sorts, just more expensive ;-)

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2004, 01:42 PM

I haven't seen any mention of Apple supporting HDV yet, ie, they're still working on it. I even ran a software update on my G5 and nothing is available for FCP HD.

heath

Tommy Haupfear · September 7th, 2004, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Along with the announcement of the HDR-FX1, Apple Computer is announcing support for the HDV spec with their popular video editing program, Final Cut. "Native HDV support in future releases of Final Cut will enable our customers to create high quality HD content with affordable HDV cameras, including Sony's much anticipated HDR-FX1 camcorder," said Rob Schoeben, Apple's Vice President of Applications Marketing.

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2004, 01:49 PM

That's just Final Cut Pro HD. Can someone link to the part about Apple? Was that in the USA press release? I skimmed through it, so shame on me for not looking closer. <g>

heath

Tommy Haupfear · September 7th, 2004, 01:51 PM

I think the HDV update is for Final Cut Pro HD but I could be mistaken.

The quote was from this link.

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2004, 01:52 PM

ps-I just got an email back from DVFilm, a video-to-35mm film transfer house (and more) and they say:

"Looks promising. 60i HD will convert well to 24 as long as you use 1/60
sec shutter speed."

I shoot all my HD10 stuff (at least from now on) in 1/60, except for some Hurricane Frances stuff where I set it to Auto.

heath

David Newman · September 7th, 2004, 01:55 PM

Announcing support and having support are always two different things. The significant quote from Apple "Native HDV support in future releases of Final Cut ..." The "future releases" sections means it is not done yet. The "native" part means it will be slow (native 1080i60 is much slower than native 720p30.) :)

Tommy Haupfear · September 7th, 2004, 01:58 PM

Apple's own site is a little more generic in reference to HDV.

Quote:

HDV Support Coming
Apple Computer is pleased to announce that it has joined the growing list of companies that are supporting the HDV format. HDV will be implemented in future versions of Apple products. Customers can begin using HDV with Final Cut Pro today through third party products such as Lumiere HDV and the Heuris Indie HD and Pro-Indie HD toolkits.

Heath McKnight · September 7th, 2004, 01:58 PM

Thanks as always, David.

heath

Al Falaschi · September 7th, 2004, 01:58 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : ps-I just got an email back from DVFilm, a video-to-35mm film transfer house (and more) and they say:

"Looks promising. 60i HD will convert well to 24 as long as you use 1/60
sec shutter speed." -->>>

It should be without loss of resolution as well, shouldn't it?

September 7th, 2004, 12:33 PM	#16
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	CineForm and competitors Ed, More than Apple has announced HDV support in the last few days. This Sony camera is creating the first major wave of HDV, clearly indicated by today's announcements from Adobe, Apple, Canopus and ULead. Everyone is going to be a player. CineForm will remain the leader for high performance software based HDV and HD production. Stay tuned for CineForm annoucements in the coming months. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 7th, 2004, 12:44 PM	#17
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Whoa... But I'll wait for a pro version with good audio. Of course I need to make some cash with the HD10 first... heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 7th, 2004, 01:04 PM	#19
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Interlaced is always easier to do transfers to 24P. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 7th, 2004, 01:05 PM	#20
Ed Hill Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA, USA Posts: 104	Thank You CineForm I'm looking forward to the software upgrade. __________________ Ed Hill HighlyDef Productions, Atlanta, GA prblog.edhillpr.com Video and Online Advertising ed@highlydef.com

September 7th, 2004, 01:40 PM	#21
Ignacio Rodriguez Contributor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Santiago, Chile Posts: 932	> But I'll wait for a pro version with good audio. Having been introduced to a Beachtek/XL1 combo a few days ago, and knowing a bit about what goes on with the audio with such short cables, I must say that if the AD and input circuitry are good, having unbalanced audio is not really a big deal. Note that I have a PDX10 with XLR inputs: t's just like having a built-in Beachtek of sorts, just more expensive ;-) __________________ Ignacio Rodríguez in the third world. @micronauta on Twitter. Main hardware: brain, eyes, hands.

September 7th, 2004, 12:48 PM	#18
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	<<<-- Originally posted by Al Falaschi : but if the rules for converting DV 60i to 24p apply to HDV as well, will it not be easier to convert HDV 60i to 24p? -->>> You don't need to: the camera does it internally. It offers a mode that simulates 24P and one that simulates 30P. I'm sure neither will be the resolution that you could get from true 24P and 30P, but hey, starting at 1440x1080 resolution, I'll bet the resulting 24P/30P conversions will look pretty good...

September 7th, 2004, 01:42 PM	#22
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	I haven't seen any mention of Apple supporting HDV yet, ie, they're still working on it. I even ran a software update on my G5 and nothing is available for FCP HD. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 7th, 2004, 01:49 PM	#24
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	That's just Final Cut Pro HD. Can someone link to the part about Apple? Was that in the USA press release? I skimmed through it, so shame on me for not looking closer. <g> heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 7th, 2004, 01:51 PM	#25
Tommy Haupfear Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Greenville, SC Posts: 1,415	I think the HDV update is for Final Cut Pro HD but I could be mistaken. The quote was from this link.

September 7th, 2004, 01:52 PM	#26
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	ps-I just got an email back from DVFilm, a video-to-35mm film transfer house (and more) and they say: "Looks promising. 60i HD will convert well to 24 as long as you use 1/60 sec shutter speed." I shoot all my HD10 stuff (at least from now on) in 1/60, except for some Hurricane Frances stuff where I set it to Auto. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 7th, 2004, 01:55 PM	#27
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Announcing support and having support are always two different things. The significant quote from Apple "Native HDV support in future releases of Final Cut ..." The "future releases" sections means it is not done yet. The "native" part means it will be slow (native 1080i60 is much slower than native 720p30.) :) __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 7th, 2004, 01:58 PM	#29
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	Thanks as always, David. heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

September 7th, 2004, 01:58 PM	#30
Al Falaschi New Boot Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 16	<<<-- Originally posted by Heath McKnight : ps-I just got an email back from DVFilm, a video-to-35mm film transfer house (and more) and they say: "Looks promising. 60i HD will convert well to 24 as long as you use 1/60 sec shutter speed." -->>> It should be without loss of resolution as well, shouldn't it? __________________ Foreign Language Specialist