When the "restore media" pops up, it also switches slot so you can carry on recording, but to restore you appear to have to go into "media" position, and then restore - all a bit of a pain really, but I'm still testing. I fear that the Lexar 16Gb cards are slower than the 8GB, certainly a recent test I read on the 32GB Lexar said "not reccomended" as it was so slow. I'm continuing my tests here.

Paul

Correct me if I am wrong here but is there a basic speed problem here, HD is 35mbs so trying to record at lower bit rates will cause problems:
Transcend 0.6ms 23.6MB/s 25.0MB/s
Lexar 0.6ms 32.7MB/s 35.3MB/s

The sony will be fine though!

Sony SXS 0.4ms 49.0MB/s 82.9MB/s

We're only trying to record to 1440 1080 sp with these cards, 25Mb/sec is the same data write speed as HDV and DV to tape, obviously HQ at 35Mb/s is something else.

25megabits per second is 3.125megabytes per second.

just so we know what we are talking about.

Therefore the Lexar should be fine.

Agreed i understand now, I use the transcend 16gb cards with my Z7 for HDV and they are fine.

I've been thinking about getting 8gb cards instead of 16gb, if one card goes down then it's less footage lost.

So if it appears that the 16gb's are slower the i'll go for the 8gb's, i'll just buy twice as many.

Paul.

I tried a Sandisk EXIII 8GB SD card with a 12in1 expresscard reader. Did not work. It said unknow media before I even inserted the SD. Anybody tried the sony EX MemoryStick adapter?

Is it possible to copy clips recorded at HQ or over-cranked from the Sony SxS to the Lexar SSD card in the EX1? If yes, did it take very long? Thanks.

Transcend express cards do not work. The will record for a few minutes then throw up a media error. When you try to restore the card it also fails. There is no way to recover the media, you have to re-format in a PC.

I have today filled a couple of Transcend 8Gb class 6 SD cards with 25P HQ and 720P50 material without any problems. I used a Kingston Express card to 7 way card reader/adapter. All purchased from Amazon UK. The SD cards are a lot faster than the Express SSD cards.

Can you send some links please.
I've found the memory cards but not the reader, i presume the class 6 sd card goes into some sort of adaptor which then goes into the camera.

Also what sort of money did it all cost.

obviously firmware update is needed for this.

Thanks.
Paul.

I simply don't understand why either card won't work perfectly. Even the transcend card at 23MB/s comes out to about 180mb/s which is about 5 times what the HQ codec records at. They should be able to handle HQ and even HQ slowmo perfectly fine. Very odd that they're throwing up errors.




You mean you found an express card SD reader that works in the camera? Please do tell!

The adapter is

"Kensington 7 in 1 Media Reader for ExpressCard Slot" model number 33407EU price £16.00

8Gb Transcend class 6 SD cards £11.84!!! At that price there as cheap as tape an I can afford to give them to the client.

The SD card sticks out a few mm so you can't close the door on an EX1 but you can close the door on an EX3.

I have not extensively tested this but so far no problems!

Alister,
This is very good news.

Let's get this straight..
With this configuration (using the latest software version 1.1), you can read and write to these cards/SD memory without any issues using all HQ video formats ?

If so, I wonder if the 16GB SDHC CLASS 6 PATRIOT SD memory card will also work?

They're only $60 USD.
So for under $100 you could have 16GB.

It would be nice to find a reader that is not as long and could fit so the Memory access door can close.

So the camera fully recognizes it and you can record to the SD cards no problem? 8gb cards for 20 dollars, this is ridiculously awesome news. Time to lower the price on your $500 8gb cards Sony.

Also,
Alister, based on the specs, I doubt class 4 (4MB/s) SD cards will work, but if you have one kicking around, could you give it a try?

My tests have been done with an EX3 using the stock firmware. I don't have any class 4 cards cards to try but at the price I would use the fastest cards possible, ie class 6 or better.

Hi Alister, I can't find the 8Gb cards n amazon.co.uk at that price. Only £14.03 . OK EDIT. I see one of the sponsors are doing it for £11.79.
Amazon.co.uk: Transcend 8Gb SDHC Class 6 Flash Memory Card: Transcend: Electronics & Photo

Is that the same card?

They do a 16Gb card for £25.62, which is a better deal for me with the longer record time.

So you can shoot 720P 50 in HQ with no problems?

Thanks
Steve

They are all about £14 when you factor in the shipping charges which vary from £0 - £4

Paul

I recorded a mix of 720P50 and 1080P25 until the card was full. Longest clip during one test was 20 mins with no errors. A class 6 SD card should be fast enough, but there is no headroom.

Whether they end up at £11 0r £14 it's still cheap. I may stick to my SxS cards for HQ and use the SD cards for corporates at SQ until I have used them enough to really know how well they work. Sony spec class 6 SD cards for the HDV cameras so 25Mb should be fine.

Thanks Alister.

A sustained data rate of 50mb/s equates to around. 6.2 MB/s
So, the Class 6 (sustained data rate 6MB/s) cards should offer a sustained data rate of 50mb/s.

I realize the Sony 35mb/s data rate can peak at 40mb/s, so it sure appears that class 6 cards should do the trick, as you have discovered.

This Friday I'll be experimenting with a AFT PROExpress-7 ExpressCard Reader and various SD cards.

somebody test 60fps S&Q!

I've got a Kensington expresscard and Transcend 8-bit bundle coming from amazon.com ($65 for the bundle) and will run it through its paces.

I tried a 7 in one Express card adapter generic brand with a patriot and adata SDHC card the cam could not recognize the media. I think its all in the brand of adapter that’s used.

I think it will be well worth while making a sticky thread with all of this info. It's scattered across a few threads already. Just something simple, with camera model, firmware, adapter model, card model, modes working and not, and so on. It'll save a lot of repeat questions and retesting.

I tested it with an PMW EX1 WITH 1.11 FIRMWARE results my differ on the EX3.

Brian,
What is the make of the "7 in one Express card adapter generic brand" and a link to where you downloaded it?

This information will help us from making the same mistake and ordering the same one that did not work for you.

Hopefully, it's not the AFT PROExpress-7.
I may be trying this very soon. It should be here tomorrow.

SIGG 11/1 EXPRESS READER 11in1 ExpressCard Reader
FRYS.com*|*SIIG
WILL NOT WORK WITH THE EX
I am also wondering if there is a differ. between the EX3 and EX1 with which card readers will work both have differ. firmware.

Thanks Brian.
I guess we'll know real soon.
Someone has already ordered the same card reader and SD card as Alister and will try it with the EX1.

Unless Alister is willing to check this configuration with the EX1?

Oh, the price us tech pioneers must pay! LOL

ITS A GOOD THING that the stores that I deal with have a good return policy.

Cards that will & will not work with EX1 & EX3
 

SIGG 11/1 EXPRESS READER 11in1 ExpressCard Reader
WILL NOT WORK WITH THE EX1 firmware 1.11

Kensington 7 in 1 Media Reader for ExpressCard Slot" model number 33407EU
W/ 8Gb Transcend class 6 SD cards
WORKING WITH EX3 SP AND HQ MODE EX1?

Lexar 8GB SSD Express Card
WORK WITH EX1 firmware 1.11 AND EX3 SP MODE ONLY

Lexar 16Gb SSD Express Card This card is slower than the 8gb
WORK WITH EX1 firmware 1.11 AND EX3 SP MODE ONLY error message no lost of data


Transend 8gb 16gb SSD Express card
WILL NOT WORK WITH THE EX1 firmware 1.11 or EX3

EXPRESS CARD TO COMPACT FLASH ADAPTER
WILL NOT WORK WITH THE EX1 firmware 1.11 EX3?


SONY MSACEX1 MEMORY STICK(R) DUO EXPRESSCARD(TM) ADAPTER
WILL NOT WORK WITH THE EX1 firmware 1.11 EX3?

thanks for this brian. I just got two of the Lexar 8gb cards off ebay today for cheap!

Thanks Brian, can a mod please sticky this?

Thanks Brian.

Any additional updates should be added to a copied version of Brian's original post and added to on this thread.


One question Brian:
Do you have the make and model number of the CF to Express reader you wrote:

"EXPRESS CARD TO COMPACT FLASH ADAPTER
WILL NOT WORK WITH THE EX1 firmware 1.11 EX3?"

Delkin express card to compact flash adapter (Dave Morrison's post)

Yes, I live close to a few major sellers myself with a decent return policy.

Has anyone tried, with an EX1, the class 6 cards which Alistair used.
It should't make any difference which adaptor is used, the adaptor is just a bridge of connections.
I just bought an adaptor from Maplin for £15.
I'm gonna try and get a firmware upgrade next week then i'll b able to try some different cards myself.

Paul.

Provantage $47.78

PROVANTAGE: Lexar Media EX8GB-431 8GB ExpressCard SSD

Good vendor. I have ordered from them many times.

John

Hmmm..
The more I think about this... I'm wondering if these express card reader/media converters we've ordered to work with the EX1 are going to work at all....

I realize, Alister has got one to work on the EX3, but I'm wondering...

Is it possible that the hardware expresscard communication protocol has changed for the EX3.

Having said that, looking at the Sony SBAC-US10 reader. This reader is a USB 2.0 capable reader but is based on connecting directly to computer systems through a high-speed PCI-Express bus.

It's well known from many others who tried to use other cheaper USB express card readers that would not work with the Sony SXS cards from the EX1. We were forced upon buying the Sony USB reader. This is due to the other USB expresscard readers were not PCIe based capable.
The Sony reader is PCIe based.

This thought had me thinking that the expresscard media adapters we're about to try, are not PCIe based and may not work.

After a bit of research, I found one expresscard media adapter (Compact Flash) that is PCIe based.... hmmm... This just may do the trick. They are claiming to be the first expresscard media adapter that is PCIe based. It's a $65 gamble. If all of our others fail, I'll take the gamble... Unless there are other takers.. LOL. Remember to use the fastest CF cards possible.

CFExpressPro+ PCIe ExpressCard to CompactFlash Memory Card Adapter 2.5Gbps, Synchrotech

Please disregard my findings. I posted too soon without REALLY reading the entire thread and had not done the firmware update. Again, my apologies for any misleading info.

oK.. Steve I will order one today and test it if it dos not work I will keep and use it to off load my still pics from my Canon 5d's. I have a Sony 306x 46mb/s CF CARD. that I can test it with.