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Steven Thomas December 1st, 2008 03:15 PM

Actually, I believe the Panasonic 16GB card also does not work.

Joe Lawry December 1st, 2008 03:20 PM

Good to hear, glad its not my Delkin adapter, currently waiting on my Sandisk card to arrive.

Rob Fiedler December 1st, 2008 04:27 PM

Delkin ExpressCard 34
 
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Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes (Post 970281)
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Originally Posted by Rob Fiedler (Post 970266)
I believe this is other Delkin Card.

Thats the pic from the box same pic is on the version one and version two box you will have to look at the actual card.

Hi Brian. Just to confirm. Here is a shot of the box and the enclosed card. This Delkin card (with no logo) seems to work. The Sandisk extreme snaps in flush and the door on the EX1 closes. The number on the box for the Delkin efilmExpressCard34 is DDEXP34-6in1-1

I got mine from Adorama at 34.95

Thanks for all the great info on this forum

Steven Thomas December 1st, 2008 05:14 PM

Be careful on ordering the Delkin expresscard.
It has been reported that it appears the card that works is actually the older card.
The newer card has the logo DD which does NOT work.

Tuomas Sebastien December 1st, 2008 05:56 PM

I've just ordered the new one from ebay few days ago.
It was linked on this forum earlier

Just my luck. Anyone have any experiences about the new one?

Scott Hayes December 1st, 2008 06:32 PM

i ordered two and cancelled orders on the Kensingtons. i may open one up and try it
when they get here, if not, back they go. $5 on shipping not a big deal.

Brian Luce December 1st, 2008 07:49 PM

The Kensington 7in1 seems to be extinct, like the dinosaurs. Anyone know an alternative? I hoping to avoid reading all 1200 posts in this thread. It's for ex3 so the door closing thing doesn't matter.

Brian Rhodes December 1st, 2008 08:17 PM

Brian when I receive My Delkin readers I will sell some of my Kensingtons

Brian Luce December 1st, 2008 08:48 PM

Thanks! We Brians have to stick together.

Is there an advantage to the Delkins?

Steven Thomas December 1st, 2008 08:53 PM

The door closes on the EX1 with the "correct" Delkin card.

Andy Wilkinson December 2nd, 2008 04:48 AM

Delkin Card - OLDER version is the one that works
 
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Originally Posted by Andy Wilkinson (Post 969638)
There are some (two) early reports on the web that this might work for all but overcranking in a similar way to the Kensington. More information will come no doubt come soon (or just google it).

Expresscard Multi-card Adapter

This has been posted here and elsewhere but......just to stress this. The card I originally linked to (which works, allows EX1 door to close etc.) is in fact the OLDER one and at this time is discontinued by Delkin (!). Web reports suggest that the newer version (has the big DD logo on the side) unfortunately DOES NOT WORK for SxS substitution. A helpful post on another forum suggests that Delkin are very responsive to the idea of reviving the older version, linked above (now they know of the potential EX1/EX3 market). No doubt we'll hear more information soon.

I don't have either but I just don't want people rushing around ordering the wrong Delkin cards until this is sorted out - especially since forum posting still seems a bit messed up/hit and miss at the moment!

Brooks Graham December 2nd, 2008 06:21 AM

Kensington cards found in Akihabara
 
I'm visiting Akihabara, which is a district in Tokyo that must be seen to be believed - there is every possible electronic item for sale here. Including the Kensington cards. Yesterday I went to a large store near my hotel and bought all their stock on display (three cards). Today I went back and they replenished their supply.

Now I'm happy with the three I have, but I probably could be talked into returning one or more times to repeatedly clean them out and bring them back to the states.

They are 4950 Yen which, with the 10-year low in the exchange rate, is about USD$50 each.

Just thought I'd offer.

Steven Thomas December 2nd, 2008 06:43 AM

Brooks,
I've been there a couple times, electronics everywhere. You can actually walk there from the Ueno exit which is close. The parent company I work for is located in Kumagaya.

I was surprised on how expensensive everything was.
$50 each is expensive.

Brooks Graham December 2nd, 2008 06:54 AM

Akihabara
 
Yeah, some stuff is definitely more expensive here. I'm sure it's partly due to the horrible exchange rate, but not entirely. I saw an EX1 for a bit under 900,000 Yen - which seems way too high even if the exchange rate was back where it was a few years ago.

Down the street, however, I picked up a name-brand 2GB SD card for the equivalent of USD$3.

You want good deals on small parts? Good deals abound. Deals on big ticket items? Not so much.

Benni Katz December 2nd, 2008 07:19 AM

Hey all,
just wanted to report that my sandisk ultra 2, which arrived today, works without any problems when overcranking at 50fps

Matthew Hurley December 2nd, 2008 05:05 PM

After viewing the individual who was kind enough to post his video on how to ( Cut ) a Ultra 2 SDHC card in order for you to close your EX-1 door, i took it upon myself to do the same.

But with a little twist. Instead of physically cutting the card, i took it and ground off the exses plastic on with my bench grinder.

Now i have 2 cards i can still easily remove from my Kensington adapter AND close my EX-1 door.

I have to tell everyone here. This was so simple it amazed me. Took me all of 5 minutes to do 2 cards.

Tested the cards up to 50fps. Zero problems. I will post pic,s shortly.

Ed Kukla December 2nd, 2008 05:11 PM

kensington adapter
 
Is the Kensington adapter available or not?
Some web sites show it's back ordered but some show it seems to be available. I haven't actually tried to order, perhaps they are not up to date?

Ronn Kilby December 2nd, 2008 05:23 PM

Just an FYI - I've been using the SanDisk 16GB cards in the Kensington but today I got 2 Transcend 16GB from Amazon ($34 each) and can overcrank consistently 60fps at 30p, 48fps at 24p with no errors. Can only do about 50fps at 30p on the SanDisks. I'll still use the SxS cards for overcranking, but this is a good indication of the data rate improvement.

Alex Raskin December 2nd, 2008 05:23 PM

Ed, Amazon just canceled my Kensington order that was supposed to be fulfilled by Beach Audio.

So I'm sure your mileage will vary depending on which supplier still has remaining stock.

I'd imagine not much is left anywhere, at this point.

Chris Hurd (owner of this site) and others reported that they are working with some manufacturers to produce a Kensington alternative - which also will allow EX1 door to close.

I guess we shall wait and see at this point.

Some people report success with Delkin adapter, but there's a confusion which of 2 modifications to buy, as only one works.

Leonard Levy December 2nd, 2008 05:40 PM

I'm new to this discussion and don't want to wade through 80 pages so:

Are there any downsides to these cards besides

- can't always close the door

and
- limitations on slow mo speed.

Any reported issues of reliability?

Does the camera communicate with them as fully as Sony cards in the review mode for erasing and checking footage?

Its hard to believe there is a Santa Claus.

- Lenny Levy

Jason Davenport December 2nd, 2008 05:56 PM

Here, read one page.

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sony-xdca...sxs-cards.html

Steven Thomas December 2nd, 2008 05:58 PM

Yes, SDHC works great.

You can do everything you can do with the SxS except overcrank at higher rates above 40FPS or so. Well, at least safely.

If you need to overcrank, just use your SxS card. No big deal.

Dave Tyrer December 2nd, 2008 06:05 PM

I mananged to pick up two Kensington cards today in the UK @ £14.94 each....all I need is an EX to put them in.

Matthew Hurley December 2nd, 2008 06:30 PM

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Left photo is side by side comparison of modified and unmodified cards.

Right photo is side by side comparison of modified card in Kensington adapter and unmodified card in Kensington adapter.

Card was modified using a bench grinder.

Now my EX-1 door closes. JOY!

Brian Rhodes December 2nd, 2008 09:11 PM

Don't try this at home kids this video was done by a trained professional Card shaver...lol
I think I will wait on the Delkins although it want have any effect on the SanDisk card it’s all plastic from the back end to the logo.

SDHC card shaving | Fohdeesha Media

Robert Young December 2nd, 2008 11:37 PM

RE the Delkin reader: I just received 2 from Amazon.com (actually was fulfilled by Adorama).
They work like a charm in the EX1 with the San Disk 16 GIG cards, the door closes, and they look and handle just like an SxS card.
The Delkin version I have has the "eFilm" logo as shown here:
Amazon.com: Delkin ExpressCard 34 6-In-1 ExpressCard 34 Card Adapter: Electronics

Scott Hayes December 3rd, 2008 07:02 PM

i just wanted to confirm i got mine today, same ones from Adorama, and they work perfectly.
i may order a couple more, but with these cards, they never need to leave the camera.
so long Kensington and Lexar SSDs.

Steven Thomas December 3rd, 2008 07:10 PM

Adorama now shows these as not in stock...

Robert St-Onge December 3rd, 2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Thomas (Post 972514)
Adorama now shows these as not in stock...


Steven, just an update

I wrote to DELKIN about my order at Adorama and several other things, here is what they wrote back to me:

"If it is on back order through Adorama then they are probably waiting on a shipment from us which means that the one that they will ship you is the MULTI.

The first generation one we made was the DDEXP34-6IN1-1 and this was the one that the SD/SDHC card sat flush in and would work for the application you want it for. That one was discontinued (I have no idea why) and the MULTI took its place. Apparently we are scrambling to get the first generation ones back because of the “sudden demand” so YES we will be getting the originals back BUT I cannot say when that will be."

BTW, Delkin customer service is really great! They have been very helpful and fast as well.



So the Multi is the new one : DDEXP34-MULTI-1 .....the one to avoid


This is the one people should look for: DDEXP346IN11

Scott Hayes December 3rd, 2008 08:05 PM

man, there must be a dedicated bunch of us fools out there wiping out stock of this item.

Ed Kukla December 3rd, 2008 08:18 PM

any failures?
 
Have any of you who are using the CF cards had any failures (excepting overcranking)?

Any dropouts, lost files, corrupted files, formatting problems, any type of glitches using the cheap cards instead of the expensive sony SxS cards?

Anything at all?

Brian Luce December 3rd, 2008 08:42 PM

I ordered early this morning from Aldorama, at the time their website was showing "In stock". Hopefully they'll send the good ones if they send anything at all.

Steven Thomas December 3rd, 2008 08:58 PM

Ed you mean SDHC cards, right?
I have been using them for 2.5 months with no issues.

Steven Thomas December 3rd, 2008 09:04 PM

Yes, ordered two yesterday, apparently a good thing..

I guess we're just bad luck. Why is it every card we find that works gets discontinued.
We're bad luck to a hunting dog I say! lol


Well fingers crossed, Delkin may just revive this card.

Ronn Kilby December 3rd, 2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Young (Post 972058)
RE the Delkin reader: I just received 2 from Amazon.com (actually was fulfilled by Adorama).
They work like a charm in the EX1 with the San Disk 16 GIG cards, the door closes, and they look and handle just like an SxS card.
The Delkin version I have has the "eFilm" logo as shown here:
Amazon.com: Delkin ExpressCard 34 6-In-1 ExpressCard 34 Card Adapter: Electronics

I got 4 today from Adorama/Amazon and same story - works great, door closes. "e-film" version.

Robert C. Fisher December 3rd, 2008 10:07 PM

Well I need 2 of these does anyone know of any in stock?

Robert C. Fisher December 3rd, 2008 10:08 PM

Will the new Delkins work if I shave the SD cards? I have a grinder!

Ronn Kilby December 3rd, 2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert C. Fisher (Post 972597)
Will the new Delkins work if I shave the SD cards? I have a grinder!

I think the "NEW" Delkins will not work at all. The new ones are the ones with the DD logo, the old ones (that do work) have the "e-film" logo.

In the old ones, if you got the shaved card in, you'd never get it out.

Robert C. Fisher December 3rd, 2008 10:47 PM

The Delkins I ordered looked like they didn't have the DD Logo but were newer. I am hoping I can get at least 4 adapters that work. I don't mind shaving cards but they do have to move pixels. I had placed an order with an Amazon store that indicated they had stock but they lied! My order was cancelled this morning. I think I got a few older Delkins from Adorama but I won't know till they show. I also ordered 2 of the chinese generics but got an email saying it would be 10-20 days before I get them, Damn!

I hope some of the new cards will show up sooner than later.

Brian Rhodes December 3rd, 2008 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert C. Fisher (Post 972597)
Will the new Delkins work if I shave the SD cards? I have a grinder!

I ordered 10 Delkins two days ago just received the tracking number from Adorama after they come in I will prob. sell my Kensington readers. Each reader comes with a free X-Acto knife..lol


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