Thanks Edward,

I right clicked on the the file in the Clip Explorer and just clicked delete, I don't think you get the "either, or" option when you do this (I would have remembered seeing that).

It looks like I need to recapture this clip after all.

When opening the project it was attached to and clicking Recapture Offline DV media; will it automatically look for that particular clip? (assuming I put the right tape in).

What a pain, I'll never do that again!

Shane

Due to the differences in display (YUV vs RGB) you can't accuratly judge your colors by a still capture in Photoshop. It's better to use the various montiors from within Vegas.

Generally though- a video still brought into Photoshop should look a bit under contrast....with it's black being around 16, and white being 235.

Ok, I recaptured my clip, cool feature that "Recapture offline media".

I can breathe easier now, heh, heh...

Thanks again Edward.

I think there is an option that you can set up to prompt you on how to delete the file. On my old computer it didn't ask- on the new computer (new install) it shows the dialog Edward mentioned.

I didn't even think about the colospace difference. My workflow typically does not follow this path and it just caught my attention as being out of the norm.

The actual blacks and whites were definitely within 16-235. Just the dark blues showed this "problem." Colorspace conversion errors at their finest I guess. :)

Yes, the recapture offline media has helped me a few times as well. Go to Options - Preferences and check all of your settings (and WANT to see the messages). And, of course, always be extra careful when deleting :-)

I think you may be confusing NTSC 601 standard, which is IRE 7.5, with the RGB Lab color requirement of black defined at RGB 16. The NTSC 601 requirement relates to voltage levels of the signal while RGB Lab Color is a color map definition. Vegas has checkboxes that allow you to turn these both on or off individually, both in the B'cast color filter as well as in the Waveform analyzer. You MUST check both the filter and the Waveform window in order for the waveform analyzer to readout the right value. And all this applies to what was mentioned above...the colorspace in PS is not the same as in V4.

Thank you everyone! I certainly appreciate the help. Now, I have some topics to study up on.

Thanks to those who replied, and so quickly!

Cheers,

Andy

why are my previews blurry and my audio out of sync?
 

Ok, so I'm previewing footage via an NTSC monitor. Here's the chain of gadgets: computer, via firewire, to my XLs, and then the XL1s, via S-Video (or RCA, doesn't matter), to the monitor. Now, when I'm watching UNDOCTORED footage, that is, without any extra layers, or FX or anything at all done to it, it looks sharp and just like playing it right from the tape. However, if I add any kind of visual effect, or put another layer over it (like a 16:9 matte), then it softens quite a bit, even when I preview at "best." Is this normal? Is this just how it is when previewing in this manner?

Also, audio is always out of sync when I preview on the external monitor, even if I offset that buffer by 4 seconds. It may stay in sync for short time, but inevitably it ends up way off. This is the audio from the computer speakers, by the way, though I believe I've tried it out through the monitor speakers, with the same results. Any ideas why?

Because your computer has to work much harder after you add the effect. Therefore, it does what it can to play in real time. The result is dropped frames which gives the "appearance" of being out of sync and causes the blurriness.

You can eliminate the blurriness by changing to one of the "full" preview modes. However, you may drop even more frames.

.psq and .plb files are used by Premiere to import sequences and batch lists, basically. They don't seem interoperable with other programs, except where other programs generate those files so that they can be imported into a Premiere project. Ergo, those programs either need to generate an EDL for Vegas, or I need to start reinventing some wheels.

Thanks for the help!

You can frame serve a project out of Premeire into Vegas correct?
www.debugmode.com

I'm not sure I understand the suggestion to frame-serve the project. I would like to be able to export the project from Premiere and continue my work in Vegas, but this probably requires actual transfer of the clip data, not just a rendered sequence. I may well be missing something here--am I?

levels
 

can the levels be adjusted like a photoshop histogram from within vegas? i want to capture directly to my hard drive for a few shots, and check with a chip chart on-screen and look at levels/color correction..

any other software i could use to just capture and color manage?

thanks

Yes

There is a histogram that allows you to monitor color levels and contrast of your video in the Video Scopes window.

I'll try it. . .though I think I've tried it before with the full modes, and still blurry. I usually don't need to see the FX in motion, just to see how a certain color or something looks. . .know what I mean?

If anyone is interested, while researching, I found a really nice explanation of illegal signals, waveform monitors and such...

http://www.execulink.com/~impact/scopes.htm

Hey, thanx Todd. This is the first time I've ever seen an explanation of Chroma limits. Usually, just the luma is referenced. Thanx again for the link.

No problem Bill! I appreciate good tech and I figured others in this forum would too. :)

Dive in or Wait?
 

Hi Guys!

I'm going to get Vegas, it's just a matter of when. So....

Should I wait and hold out for the release of Vegas 5.0? Being a fairly new user of NLE, will I need the features of 5.0? Also, any ideas on Pricing on 5.0, and will I be justified spending the extra (assuming it is more costly) on Ver 5.0?

From what I read here, Vegas 4.0 will do me, but who knows where this will lead me.

So, next question. With the immenent release of Vegas 5.0, is Vegas 4.0 likely to drop in price, or is it likely to disappear altogether?

So, dive in or wait?

Thanks in advance for your imput all.

Andy

I would imagine it will drop in price, like all other 'older version' products. Vegas 4.0 can do ANYTHING you will possibly need to accomplish. If you are a fulltime stident (or know any wink wink) you can get a nice Vegas 4.0 package for $258.00 (Including DVD Architect, Vision 1 series and Acid 4.0).

Why wait? Who knows what will be new or different about it. COuld be some interface changes, new shortcuts or a few ehancements. Might even require a lil more power in the computer.

Try doing a pre-render. This will give you a better look at your footages when using transistions or fx.

Sony let the cat out of the bag so you can find out about Vegas 5 over at their forums.

1- wait? no.
2- need new features? no. network rendering isn't much and neither is keyboard mapping (not useful to you now).
3- It doesn't look like any big features are coming out that Vegas 4 doesn't already have. But check the press release to be sure...

Vegas 4 is already very powerfuly and stable, it should be excellent for you and you'll be able to get things done with it.

Thank you to DVi for rumor policy & professionalism...
 

Jeff Donald, Edward Troxel, & DVi...

What a day, huh? I just wanted to let you guys know that I appreciate both the rumor policy at DVi and the way you two handled yourselves today with this Vegas 5 thing. You were professional and courteous with your replies... not always an easy thing to do.

As one of the people who got a post pulled when I asked why the Sony news release didn't work, it confused me for a second... but, instead of getting upset about it, I just read Jeff's posts explaining the situation and I can fully understand why my post was pulled.

And as far as rumors are concerned... some of this DV equipment costs a stinkin' lot of money and I personally don't want to read a post on here, spend my money on something and then find out it was information based on a hunch or a guess. So, thanks for the policy... I would hate to have to filter through figments and facades to find facts. Alliteration... you gotta love it!

Much praise to you people for your policy and professionalism in the path of public probing and potentially pessimistic posts.

Peace~

Jeff

Thanks Jeff,

The way I like to explain this, is that discussing rumors is pointless and actually sometimes worse than useless. We're an information site, not a rumor site.

There are a lot of rumor sites out there, and heh, we're not competing with them. The way we like to look at it is that there will be plenty of informative discussions right here when the new info becomes official.

Until then, just remember: those who will know, can't tell. Those who will tell, don't know. Always do the right thing!

Will a D-Link pci firewire card work with Vegas 4
 

Thanks

Vince
vince.debart@9news.com

This one?

As long as the/a card is OHCI compliant and supports your OS
then, yes, it should work just fine. The card I linked to supports
OHCI so should be no problem at all.

thanks Rob

Vince

Jeff and All,

Sorry for all of the confusion yesterday. It was tough trying to keep things in an orderly manner. I definitely want to see discussions on wants for new products, what new products will offer (once true official notices are given and there are no longer NDA restrictions), and anything else related to the Vegas + DVD and associated line. However, it seemed appropriate to pull what became "rumor" because all supporting documentation had been eliminated. Please accept my appologies.

Edward

Seminars by Gary Kleiner on Vegas+DVD
 

Seminars will be on Vegas and DVD Architect, plus I am open to suggestions.

Tour will start the last week in April. If you are interested in having me come to your area, or would like to make suggestions for seminar topics, please e-mail me at VegasEditing@aol.com.

Best Regards,
Gary Kleiner

Academic Version
 

Still here, you've convinced me, I'm diving in.

Now all I need is someone who'll ship the acedemic version to Australia.

Any body know of anyone?

Cheers,

Andy

www.dvdirect.com

I ordered a non academic version from them via internet and shipped it to Europe. No problems at all.

Peter Sieben

FCP->Vegas
 

I am an editor thoroughly familiar with FCP.

I've got an offer to teach Vegas to novices.

Is Vegas similar to FCP? Could I become fluent in a week or two?

Also, isn't one version better to edit HD (Vegas or Vegas+DVD)? Though maybe I should ask this in the HD forum.

Thanks,
Elmer

Vegas made no freaking sense to me coming from FCP. I'd probably start off with the vegas short cuts stickied in this forum.

Both programs do mostly the same thing though. Vegas however has excellent audio editing capabilities and some nice color correction capabilities (curves, 3-way CC, saturation adjust, secondary color corrector are all good filters plus the scopes).

I purchased the 2 DVD Vegas 4.0 Tutorial by Gary Kliener and am really impressed. Talk about getting you up to speed. I think I learned more in 2 nights than in 3 weeks scewing around with it.

Sounds as if you do have experience, and that alone should be a huge benifit to you. I am a novice and have a pretty good grasp of Vegas already. I'm sure there is alot more to learn, but what I know now is second nature already.

Gary's DVD set is definitely good and highly recommended http://www.vegastrainingandtools.com

DSE also has a DVD set and book

You can also look at my newsletters http://www.jetdv.com/tts

First recommendation: forget what you know about FCP. You'll do it in a different way in Vegas. However, Vegas IS very logical in how it does things.

Neo, get ready to step out of the Matrix. lol

...at least that's what it felt like for me learning Vegas. I had to drop almost everything that I learned in the past 2 years working with Premiere. You'll be glad you did- the things that make absolutly no sense at first will begin to make sense...you'll start to see, as Edward mentioned, how logical it really is.

Visual training will definitly speed up the process, but be prepared for the most difficult NLE transition you could ever possibly take. In the end you'll see the beauty of it- and who knows...maybe you'll stay. Good luck- keep us informed on your thoughts/opinions as you learn it.

Re: FCP->Vegas
 

<<<-- Originally posted by Elmer Lang :

Also, isn't one version better to edit HD (Vegas or Vegas+DVD)? Though maybe I should ask this in the HD forum.

Thanks,
Elmer -->>>

All newer versions of Vegas (4.0b-and up) handle HD footage. The Vegas+DVD simply adds DVD Architect (a DVD authoring program), and invaluable AC-3 encoding.

>I purchased the 2 DVD Vegas 4.0 Tutorial by Gary Kliener and am really impressed. Talk about getting you up to speed. I think I learned more in 2 nights than in 3 weeks scewing around with it.<

John,

You made my day. Glad you got a lot out of the DVDs.

Gary