i would look at procoder before cleaner, definitely... you can frame-serve from the vegas timeline directly into procoder, without the additional step of rendering a file out of vegas first... i believe that procoder also has network rendering capability, but i'm not sure about the auto-ftp function?

We all want to speed up our rendering.. so....
 

why dont Sony hook up with ATI??

heres why...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...1880669,00.asp

this link was posted in the DV News forum, however, if Sony can work out how to access this engine feature from within Vegas, and using either the Sony or Cineform Codecs or what have you.. .im sure it would save ALOT of people the nightmare of rendering to a deadline..

On top of that, this acceleration seems to be akin to the way a Matrox RTx100 and Storm2 card behave, being that all the encoding/decoding is done in hardware...

Now with afew tweaks, im sure it would be possible considering the net framework system within Vegas, as well as the DX grunt that it has...

who knows, maybe one day we'll have a Vegas RT....

Yep, did same thing!
NTSC MPEG2 rendered straight from the timeline (1h20min) finished in 3h30min
Same project (NTSC DV) rendered to PAL took 17h30min.

Using just titles, few transitions, not really effects applied to the whole video.
CPU P4 Northwood 3GHz.

AC3 render time was exactly 10 min.

Note:
No way - it means you re-render MPEG2 NTSC to MPEG2 PAL - results should be awful!

just curious.. why bother doing that when DVDA doesnt region encode ur discs?? i know for a fact that my Pal dvds play on almost any machine i throw them in.. whether they be in the US, canada, NZ, france, england..

I used to transcode, but found it to be a great waste of time when it isnt neede for DVD Delivery worldwide..

Gearshift timecode shift
 

Here is the problem I am faced with. Captured m2t files with AspectHD, applied Gearshift with HDV 1080 - 60i Intermediate, created sublips from the GSProxy generated. Went to shift gears and received the error "Errors were found when replacing media".

Placed the GSProxy file, rendered avi, and m2t file in a new Vegas project. All files were the same overall length, but at timecode 0;32:15:08 the footage in the GSProxy and the avi file were the same; the m2t file was off by 01:43:15. The correct image in the m2t file was at 0;33:58:21.

Is there an easy fix, or just tell me what went wrong so I won't do it again.

Appreciate the help

Jim

According to the Vegas Help file:

You can use a joystick to adjust faders, surround panning, and the color wheel controls in the color corrector plug-ins. If you're using a force-feedback joystick, force feedback adds a tactile element to your editing sessions.

I’ve never tried this but that’s what it can be used for.

~jr

Hi Jim,

Sorry you are having trouble with GearShift. Here is what I need to know:

1. What did you use as your source: Filesystem? Mediabin? Timeline? Regions?

2. What did you render to: Proxy only? Intermediate only? Proxy + Intermediate?
(it sounds like you created a proxy + intermediate)

3. Did you place the rendered files in the same folder as the source? or in a new folder?

These answers will help me recreate the problem and provide you with a fix or an explanation.

~jr

Dear Fred,

If you are like me, you may want to use a joystick for more functions than Vegas supports for joysticks.

I am currently using a CH Products Flight Simulator Yoke (USB) version and it has helped immensely.

The yoke has three "Throttle" type controls, two up/down switches, two very handly pushbuttons, two more pushbuttons, an 8-way hat switch and more.

I programmed the unit using CH-Product control software (using mapping to Vegas's keystroke functions).

I am able to:

Start/Stop (same as spacebar) using left pushbutton
Start/Stop (same as Enter key) using right pushbutton

Perform the "Ripple" function (Post-Edit Ripple across all tracks) using one button.

One up/down switch takes me to the end (up) or beginning (down) of an event.

Another down switch spits the event at the cursor. The up switch sets the focus to the timeline, if it was in the trimmer or other location

One set of switches sets the beginning point in the trimmer, another is the end point.

Another set of switches takes me to the start or end of the timeline.

One Throttle allows me to zoom in/out.
Another Throttle centers the event on the cursor.
Another toggles the "Ignore Event Grouping" flag.

I am doing this all from memory, and I know I left out some features.


The above settings were what I wanted, others may want to control other features. In general, if you can do it with a keystroke, you can assign the keystroke to the yoke using this software.

All of this is a mouthful to say, but the layout is very logical and easy to learn (in my opinion). For example, playing an event in the trimmer to select the in and out points is very easy. Just press one button when you reach the in and another when you reach the out.

The 8-Way hat switch can be used to control the speed of the playback in 5 or more increments, and also can be used to start and stop playback.

In my opionion, this yoke is a natural for editing, but it sure looks funny at first glance to other editors. They quit laughing when they see how natural it is.

I bought the yoke for $99 for use with Flight Simulator and I wanted a better way to edit. The control software for this yoke is free from CH Products.

The layout of the yoke and it's button's and switches helps keep things organized, it is not as hard to learn as it sounds.

I also have a Contour Pro Shuttle, which is good, but I find myself using the yoke instead for almost all functions.

John

1. Filesystem

2. Proxy + Intermediate

3. Same folder

I am re-doing the troublesome file right now. My concern with timecode being off is that the subclips will also be off from the ones I originally used.

Thanks for everything

Jim

I cannot recreate either of your problems but I believe that GearShift should give you more information about what went wrong. I will work on an update that does better error reporting so that you can determine exactly what the errors occurred when the media was being replaced.

Did you move the files into new directories after you ran GearShift to create them? This would cause the swap to fail. Also if you change the settings in GearShift from what you used when you created the files that would cause a failure as well. e.g., if you change the Render Directory options, GearShift would look in the wrong place for the files. Make sure you don’t change any of the options in GearShift from when you created the files because ShiftGears uses that information to find them.

On your second problem, since you loaded the files from the filesystem I can’t explain why the Proxy and AVI files were off from the original M2T file. What GearShift does is load the M2T file onto the timeline and render it using Vegas. I can’t imagine why the three files would not be identical. They are for the M2T files I captured directly from my Z1 that I used for this test.

Let me know how you make out after you re-do the troublesome file.

~jr

Ok, I realized that these interlaced frames are called 'judder' frames, which are due to the 3:2 pulldown. I'm assuming they won't show up once the video plays on a DVD player that uses 3:2 pulldown. Great site, by the way. Nice to meet you guys.

I don't know which NLE you're using but I imagine they all work similarly. There are probably a few options to click which in FCP are Source, Matte, Final and something else. Anyways you want to select Final or it's equivalent and it will show you what's what. Good Luck, Jason.

Track 1: Event with ChromaKey effect
Track 2: Event to show in keyed area

You must set the Chromakey so that the correct color is keyed. If you click on "show mask" you can see the exact area that will be keyed and adjust the high and low threshold to get better results. Once the mask is correct, unclick the "show mask" and the second track should be visible in the masked area. You don't need to change any modes on any tracks - they should both be left on Source (Alpha) and the second track does NOT need to be a child.

Peter, PAL discs doesn't play everywhere - my Samsung DVD player made for Japanese market doesn't play PAL at all (no disc message).
Other players sold in Japan claim they are PAl capable but do not convert for playback on NTSC TV (that are 99% pure NTSC sets sold in Japan - no multi system here).

What we do is giving friends or customers in Europe discs in the format that is official there (I do not need the regional coding). I don't know exact model or do not expect everyone to know if his player is NTSC capable. I've heard most of the players can do NTSC in Europe (most of the TVs are also multisystem and will play/convert NTSC signal even if the DVD output is straight NTSC). But if only one client happens to be exception that is trouble - so just playing safe (although with the cost of may be lower quality and long encoding hours).

sound sound policy? + a minor wind noise success
 

Hi,

Sorry this is long.

On Wind Noise ..
For those struggling with a wind-noise problem I want to report what I believe to be a *minor* victory .. but at the same time I want to invite comment from the experts since I am a humble newbie.

I have a clip with variable wind noise. After stumbling around for awhile and reading various posts (explaining that the only thing to be done is to try to cut off the low frequency rumbles with an equalizer), I brought up the sound fx tools for this clip (by right clicking on the audio portion) and chose the Volume and the Paragraphic EQ plug-ins.

* Wind Noise Reduction Technique *
Experimenting with the Paragraphic EQ presets I found that "60 Hz hum notch using four stacked filters" seemed to mitigate moderate to low levels of wind noise. Now then, please note that I have NOT yet rendered this out and listened to it on an actual TV set. If it turns out not to work - I'll repost.

Also please note that I had previously given up and cut out the portions of the interview with the really howling wind noise (gusty day, lousy audio tech (me)).
--------------------------------------------------------

On Volume ..
Which brings us to the question of volume. As far as I can figure there are five controls that can be applied to volume:

1) track volume slider (seen at left of timeline with the other track controls)
2) track compression (second icon from left in track controls, compression plugin)
3) clip volume from an audio fx plugin (right click on audio clip, fx, volume)
4) clip gain (movable thin line in timeline audio clip)
5) blue volume line (runs through all clips on the track and can be adjusted for individual clips using "add point" by right clicking)

* Best Audio Strategy Question *
I'm trying to sort out the best policy for controlling volume for an hour long program consisting of many consecutive man-on-street interviews with lots of wild noise and varying vol levels; this is the voice track.

Would it be best to..?
a) Set the track volume to a fairly high level, say 12db
b) Leave the blue volume control line set at zero
c) Adjust low vol problem clips up as needed with the volume plug-in
d) Adjust gain down on loud clips

* Broadcast Limits Question *
Further, to make this acceptable for broadcast do I need to set a "hard limit 6db" or "soft-limit" in the compressor? I've seen this refered to in other posts but have no real understanding. Is there a BASIC tutorial out there somewhere on audio levels that you would recommend?


regards to all - L

LARGE snapshot
 

I was wondering if there is anyway to get a snapshot larger than 720x480 in Vegas? That is the size I get when I select Best (Full) and copy or save a snapshot. The reason I'm wondering is because I'd like to capture a couple of frames so have some things printed and would need larger images. I didn't know if that would be possible or not.

Thanks! :)

You don't say what your source media is. If it's NTSC DV, it's 720 by 480. You can't get better resoultion than what you are starting with. (silk purse from sow's ear and all that).

Gary

When set to Best (Full) (or any of the "full") you will get the largest size image you can get. Technically, with a 720x480 image in NTSC, the snapshot will actually be 655x480 to account for square vs non-square pixels.

Almost. hehe. its not the loop region that disappears. When you use the Selectively Prerender Video option in the Tools menu, It makes blue bars above the loop region. Those shouldn't disappear unless I make changes to the clip that is directly under them. That is the problem. If I make a change after a prerender, all the blue bars dissappear. Not just the one above the clip that I changed. It only started doing this rececntly thats why im not sure whats going on.

Well that makes sense.. thank you :)

Rippling worries and the secret plugin
 

I know. . .the thread title sounds like the newest Harry Potter.



Two things: I worry that because of the scope of a project, i.e. many layers of audio and video, things grouped in odd ways, etc., that a ripple edit in the middle of a scene will cause chaos somewhere. I was wondering if there was some way to just keep everything together the way it was, but expand/cut down what I need to, without disruption to everything around it.

The other thing:

I hear there's a magic secret plugin for Vegas that allows a keyboard shortcut where one can select, on the timeline, everything from the cursor onward. That would be great if someone could tell me where to find it. I thought maybe it was native to Vegas already, but I can't find a mention in the manual or help files, so I guess not.

Using Version 6.0c, by the way.

Strobed progressive rendered video
 

Hello everybody!
My mini DV Cam is PAL interlaced. Ok, no problems with capture, editing, etc. But after rendering out in any video format /.avi,.mpg,.wmv/ as progressive video file, the rendered video looks so much worse than original interlaced footage - strobed, strobed, strobed even in little slow camera moving. The result is exactly the same even if I render source interlaced footage out in dv avi pal PROGRESSIVE! Anytime I render out in interlaced format, the rendered video looks ok. So, is there a method or setting which can make an excellent result from interlaced footage to progressive??? The bad result is both on the monitor and TV.

My settings are:
Template: PAL DV (720x576; 25,000 fps).
Field Order: Lower field first. If I set None/progressive scan/ - bad results!
Motion Blut Type: Gaussian Frame Rate: 25,000 (PAL).
Deinterlaced Method: Interpolate fields. If I set Blend fields or None - bad results!
Smart resample is ON. Reduce interlace flicker - better if is OFF.

Would somebody describes step-by-step all the thing I have to do in Vegas, so that to get a nice PROGRESSIVE video at last? I tried many tutorials and examples, but everytime one and the same. Thanks in advance!!!

Flash 8....
 

Thanks, cleaner is out, procoder seems to need FlashMX to encode Flash Video, and not sure if MX exports Flash8 out of the box. The on2 flash video exporter is som kind of MPEG-4/H.264(?) (can anyone please come up with a name..) derivate with crazy quality, have a lok at this 350k stream

www.modernafilmer.se/akamai/mf_flash8.html

and...video for Flash 8 supports alpha channel =8-)

/magnus

Josh, for ripple editing, I leave it turned OFF and only use "post ripple editing" via the keyboard. Then I can determine when and if rippling occurs.

As for selecting everything after the cursor, I personally use the Select Events tool in Excalibur which will do that and any other selection process you might want (i.e. all before cursor, all in the selection area, etc...)

Ultimate S also has the ability to select events based on various parameters. You can also use the "Selection Edit Tool" you can find on the toolbar.

Okay. Darn, neither Excaliber nor ultimate S are free, are they?

No they are not. But they WILL run for 15 days for free so you can try them out.

"Cursor to Right by Frame" setting not working
 

I have hit a small snag in learning Vegas 6: In Preferences/Keyboard/Tracklist, after assigning the "Cursor to.Right by Frame" to the Right Arrow and doing the left by frame to the Left arrow key, after applying it, it doesn't work.

It's my understanding that no matter what the zoom is set to, it will move in one frame increments on the timeline by hitting the appropriate arrow key. Well, mine is Still contingent on what zoom level I have my timeline set to---as if I didn't even apply the new settings, which I did. The Tracklist menu confirms that I made the new setting. Hmmmmm.

What am I doing wrong?

I put it in the TrackView category and it seems to work as you are wanting.

Thank you; that did the trick. The Vegas tutorial I'm using wanted me to use TrackList.

V6 install problem
 

Hi V-heads;
Trying to install Vegas 6 from cd but my laptop doesn't recognize/find the installer.Never had a problem with auto-install before..I'm running Windows XP Home w/ SP2
& Firefox.Could my lack of Explorer be the prob? I tried a search here but no directly relevant threads turned up.
Thanks
Richard

plus flash8 probably has the capability to have a clickable layer running on top of the video, which you can't do with wmv... unless you wrap the wmv inside of flash7, which i have not been able to figure out how to do :-/

the downside to flash8 is that nobody has the player or codec installed yet, but i think that it's probably a fairly painless download... is your content compelling enuf to keep the audience thru a flash8 install?

i don't know that the on2 flash 8 codec quality is any better than wmv or h.264, but you can be sure that the windows media server is better than anything else out there... it would be interesting to see how akamai is handling wmv vs. flash8 at the server level, and how that would impact what you are doing with your online video.

Exporting
 

Exporting to PSP (playstation portable) with vegas 6. How do I change the file path? For some reason I am uploading it to the PSP but not able to view them or find them on file on the PSP. What may I be doing wrong. Some of you may find uploading to PSP is childs play? Well I'm a kid at heart!

Thanks

copying track motion key frames.
 

Hi,
I made a nice veggie where the video fills the screen, zooms out to a picture frame, moves right to left (with a shaddow effect). At the same time the next clip moves in from right to left, fills the screen etc.
I made it so that in the future I could just right drop a clip, as a take,and and its done.
I figured that I could then copy from one instance of vegas and paste into another instance of vegas on a separate track with all the track motion key frames, but could not find a way.
Is it possible to do this? I know I could render and then open the rendered file in onother instance of Vegas, (where my main edition would be) but I would prefer to have every thing in one piece.
Thanks in advance,
Mike

Problem fixed. Had to update the software on the PSP.

How about using it as a nested VEG file?

As another alternative, you could always drop in the new clip, render it out, and then drop the render into the final project.

PAL interlaced -> PAL progressive
 

Ok,I will try to explain once again: what is the best way to get PAL DV AVI progressive from PAL DV AVI interlaced source footage via Vegas??? Please for suggestions and examples!

To get 25p from 50i source:
1. edit your media on the timeline to suit.
2. File>Render as
3. Choose the PAL DV template.
4. Choose Custom in the template choices.
5. In the template, choose Fields>None
6. Render.

Understand that you won't be able to print this back to tape, ever. The camera cannot accept a 25p stream, no DV camera to my knowledge can. But for archiving or playing back from a computer, it's fine.
You can also render to 25p MPEG.

HTH

I know that, Douglas, thank you anyway!
The problem is that if I render out in interlaced SVCD or DVD, then it is OK on the TV. But after rendering out to progressive the result on the TV is full of flickering and strobes especially when there is even little camera moving. Sometimes I want to render out in PAL VCD, but it is always progressive, you know that. And the strobing exists on the TV.
So, is there a solution in Vegas???

Still pictures in Vegas, look bad.
 

How come sometimes when I bring in a picture (JPG) into Vegas, it looks very jaggy and generally just looks like crap, however the picture is very high qaulity and looks fine when I view it in Photoshop.

Do you guys know what I am talking about?

VCD's aren't meant for TV playback. If you do so, all progressive images are converted by default, to interlaced, unless you've got a progressive DVD/VCD player and a progressive television. All non LCD, Plasma, and rear projection systems are interlaced. So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you want/need a progressive source, but want to display on an interlaced display, without interlacing/jitter/artifacting.
It's not going to happen, because it can't.