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Steven Davis October 3rd, 2006 02:07 PM

If you are using Sony Vegas, then that is the software to use.

Edward Troxel October 3rd, 2006 02:40 PM

Since you asked in the Vegas forum, it was assumed you were using Vegas. Spot's answer tells you how to do it in Vegas. If you're using some other NLE, the answer will be different.

Can you give more details as to what you HAVE? It sounds like you might not have ANY NLE (Non-Linear Editing) software?

John Rofrano October 3rd, 2006 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Levi
your system work fine with camcorder hdv and vegas 7 ??

Yes, I shoot with my Sony HVR-Z1U and edit M2T files directly on the timeline with Vegas 7 without any problems.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Levi
what's think about a cpu dual core 2x4400 ???

The AMD X2 4400 will do just fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Levi
you have compared edius vs vegas for hdv ???

No I’ve never used Edius so I cannot compare them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Levi
wonderfull your web site

Thanks

~jr

Eric Pontbriand October 3rd, 2006 04:12 PM

DVD Architect - audio out of sync.
 
Have 5 mpegs in the project and have a menu together. Set start and end markers on the views as only need partial clips. Preview in DVD architect works great, videos play correct. Rendered DVD has audio out of sync. The audio is starting at 0 even though the video starts and the "In line". Any ideas?

Chris Barcellos October 3rd, 2006 04:33 PM

I am running AMD 3800 + Dual Core, and works fine with Vegas 7. I also have an ATI PCI Express X700 video card, and 2 mgs memory.

Premiere 2.0 actually seems to render faster than Vegas 7 with the set up, and I haven't found an answer why yet. I am thinking it may be because Premeire might be using video card some...

Anybody answer that ?

Also, I am hearing that emphatically that the new Intel Core Duo are killing the dual core AMDs.

Marco Levi October 3rd, 2006 04:34 PM

last questions
 
John Rofrano write Yes, I shoot with my Sony HVR-Z1U and edit M2T files directly on the timeline with Vegas 7 without any problems.
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hi john you sistem work in real time for effect 2d ???
when you finish your video convert video in this format ???

divx hd codec 6
h264 hd
mpeg hd
wmv hd
or another format ???

thanks a lot bye marco

Marco Levi October 3rd, 2006 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
I am running AMD 3800 + Dual Core, and works fine with Vegas 7. I also have an ATI PCI Express X700 video card, and 2 mgs memory.



Also, I am hearing that emphatically that the new Intel Core Duo are killing the dual core AMDs.

## Hi Chris i am very happy for your answer, i hope with a 2x4400 or better 2x4800 the most effect 2d will be real time.
what' you think about my video card ati pci express x300 256mb work fine, or change it with last video card x1600 x1900 ???
your memory is select or normal oem ???
case latency your memory ???
my ddr 400 have a value 3 of case latency

## I HOPE in future will buy a 4 core very performance !!!
now i wont booster my pc for hdv.

you have a configuration a raid system for capture and editing your video hdv ??

thanks a lot marco

Chris Barcellos October 3rd, 2006 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marco Levi
## Hi Chris i am very happy for your answer, i hope with a 2x4400 or better 2x4800 the most effect 2d will be real time.
what' you think about my video card ati pci express x300 256mb work fine, or change it with last video card x1600 x1900 ???
your memory is select or normal oem ???
case latency your memory ???
my ddr 400 have a value 3 of case latency

## I HOPE in future will buy a 4 core very performance !!!
now i wont booster my pc for hdv.

you have a configuration a raid system for capture and editing your video hdv ??

thanks a lot marco

Marco:

I'm not a high tech guy. I bought my motherboard, memory, and everything at a discount electronic store here in Sacramento, based primarily on price. I wasn't necessarily looking for highest performance- just something that would work decently. Despite that, I get pretty good results with HDV. Close to what I used edit DV in with a 1.7 GHZ Intel system. So that makes me happy... I think ram is DDR 2700 something... Motherboard a ECS NForce4 A939, low end board. Simple IDE on the HDs..... Capture is no problem. No raid on board, and since HDV is same data rate as DV, you shouldn't need it. Rendering and play HDV is where memory and processing occurs,

Douglas Spotted Eagle October 3rd, 2006 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
Premiere 2.0 actually seems to render faster than Vegas 7 with the set up, and I haven't found an answer why yet. I am thinking it may be because Premeire might be using video card some...

Anybody answer that ?

.

Yep...try rendering a page curl or anything else that has verticals, horizontals, and diagonal lines. Look at the difference between the two applications in their final render. You'll see why Vegas takes longer. You're not imagining anything...Vegas is about 10% longer overall.

Don Bloom October 3rd, 2006 09:15 PM

I have had this problem 2 times in the last 2 years and thats been literally hundreds of projects so thankfully it doesn't happen often but when it does as you've found out it's a great big PITA. Here's what I've done to "fix" it. Since it has happened for no appearent reason I've re-rendered the project to MPEG and AC3 with a new file name. Yep, it takes some time but honestly I would try that before anything else. It's worked for me both times so I would have to think it would work for you but if it doesn't don't blame me. I only work here ;-()

Don

David Jimerson October 3rd, 2006 10:05 PM

Just on the off chance you might mean "reverse" as in "mirrored" . . .

You click on the pan/crop icon, then right-click in the frame and choose "flip horizontal."

Josh Bass October 3rd, 2006 11:02 PM

I f*ckin' got it!
 
Gentlemen, I seem to have found the solution.

This may sound really weird.


Ok, so, we have "24p DV Widescreen" as the project preset. Then, we take our 16:9 clip, in the timeline, right click, go to "switches", and uncheck the "maintain aspect ratio" switch.

When we render to a .wmv file, we go to the video tab, and select "custom" from the "video size" (or maybe it's image size. SOMETHING size, at any rate) dialogue box. We then enter 960 (w) x 480 (h) as the size. We then render. POOF! video that plays back in WMP letterboxed.

Curt Talbot October 4th, 2006 06:33 AM

David, thanks for posting that information. I was trying to do that the other day and didn't now where to look.

Curt

Rob Lohman October 4th, 2006 07:39 AM

That's the method I was talking about, glad you got it working Josh!

Joey Atilano October 4th, 2006 08:10 AM

Vegas 6 Questions
 
I just got Vegas 6 for $99 when I ordered my HDR-HC3 and I was wondering is the Connect HD that comes with it only a trial software? I dont want to start using it if is a trial software.

Also does it come with Magic Bullet Time ? If it did I could not find it or does it only come with Vegas +DVD ? Im thinking of upgrading to Vegas7 but Im not sure it is is worth it to me.

Joey

Edward Troxel October 4th, 2006 09:19 AM

The Cineform codec that comes with Vegas is not time limited. It is NOT the full "Connect HD" package, though. If you're going to be editing HDV, you might want to look at upgrading to Vegas 7 before the $150 upgrade price is gone (the end of October).

As for Magic Bullet, check with Customer Service and see if that version does.

Joey Atilano October 4th, 2006 09:23 AM

Thanks
 
I will probably upgrade today. I just saw that the upgrade comes with Bullet time for sure.

Thanks Edward.
Joey

Mike Tesh October 4th, 2006 01:08 PM

Jaggies or something like it.
 
It's the first time I've ever really done any chromakey work in vegas 5 and I'm getting jaggies around my guy. These are hard sharp pixelated lines before I even try to key him out. They are partially transparent as well which makes them stand out even more when I key him out. Yikes.

The raw video itself looks fine when I preview it in windows media player, but when I roll it on the timeline in vegas those semitransparent jaggies appear on the edges. They are also there after I render the video in Vegas.

At this point I've almost given up and I'm not even trying to key they guy out, I'm just trying to edit the video in Vegas and pass it off to another guy here at work who is going to key him with After Effects. But the video is just looking so rough around the edges in Vegas. I mean horrible. This isn't looking good since I'm trying to get my whole company to switch to Vegas and I can't even get a normal video cut without it looking like junk.

By the way my project and preview settings are all set to best and I'm editing DV NTSC from a Sony VX2100.
This has never happened to me before in all the years I've cut with vegas. But this is not my personal machine. This is a work machine. So perhaps something is setup wrong?

Any help would be great, I'm on a deadline.
Thanks

Douglas Spotted Eagle October 4th, 2006 01:15 PM

Try adding Chromablur set to a value of 2.00 BEFORE the chromakeyer filter.
Post a PNG of the file somewhere, captured from BEST. It may be that someone can build a preset for you.

Mike Tesh October 4th, 2006 01:43 PM

Actually I kind of figured it out. I was rendering to uncompressed and it was producing the same effect it does in the timeline. However when I render to DV NTSC the problem disappears. Funny, I'd think uncompressed would be higher quality.
I'll try your suggestion as well.

Mark Donnell October 4th, 2006 08:49 PM

Question for Edward
 
I have Vegas 6, which I have been using for DV editing with great success. I am ordering an HVX-200 and am expecting to need Edius Broadcast to edit the DVCPRO files. Is there any reason that you can think of for me to upgrade Vegas to version 7 ?

Kyle Ringin October 4th, 2006 09:15 PM

If you don't have Magic Bullet Movie Looks you can download it from the Sony site for Vegas 6. Bear in mind this isn't Magic Bullet Editors - it is a limited feature version.

Torrance Colvin October 4th, 2006 09:30 PM

Vegas 7 - Fatal Exception Error
 
I shot a project that has over 1200 clips. I initially edited using Cineform's intermediary with Vegas 6. Now that Vegas 7 is out, and I can edit the native m2t files, I wanted to do a re-edit because the m2t files look much better (IMO) when viewing side by side (am I doing something wrong?). The problem I'm having is moving the m2t medial files from Media Manager to Project Media. I select the clips and right click to Place in Project Media, but I always get a Fatal Exception. I have tried to move the clips piecemeal and save as I go along, but I can't seem to get past around 150-175 before the Fatal Exception occurs upon opening the project.

Tried to do a search and found something regarding the number of m2t files on the timeline in Vegas 6, but nothing addressing this particular problem. Is there a fix?

Any suggestions?

Douglas Spotted Eagle October 4th, 2006 11:02 PM

First, the limited number of m2t's is dealt with well in Vegas 7. Just finished a project that had 70 hours of tape and over 2400 clips.
.m2t shouldn't look better than CineForm when viewed side by side. they should be approx the same, or the CineForm slightly sharper, as Vegas 6 treats CineForm as a native format, while m2t is transcoded on the fly. CineForm still provides some significant benefits regardless of seriously better performance in Vegas 7 of HDV files.

Edward Troxel October 5th, 2006 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Donnell
I have Vegas 6, which I have been using for DV editing with great success. I am ordering an HVX-200 and am expecting to need Edius Broadcast to edit the DVCPRO files. Is there any reason that you can think of for me to upgrade Vegas to version 7 ?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=70989
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=71402
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=72708

Craig Droessler October 5th, 2006 01:11 PM

how to make a rolling graphic
 
Hi, I'm new to Vegas so bare with me.

I have a circle logo that I brought in as a PNG image. I want to animate the logo and make it roll out like a barrel from the left side of the screen. Playing with the Pan options I can make it spin in place in the center of the screen, but when I try to start with the image off screen, it ends up spiraling into the center, not rolling in a straight line from left to center (which is what I want).

hope that makes sense.

Thanks for your help.

Craig D

Don Bloom October 5th, 2006 01:16 PM

Repeat after me; KEYFRAMES ARE MY FRIEND. :-)

By using keyframes you can do many many things with your logo. to get it to spin off the frame set a keyframe to the time you want it to start spinning off and then move the box in the PAN/CROP to the position you want it to end up in and place a keyframe there. That way the box has a direction, a map if you will, to follow.

HTHs

Don

Craig Droessler October 5th, 2006 01:25 PM

Be careful with the alienware. I bought a desktop in 2001 and it was great. I bought a laptop in 2004 and it has given me trouble all the time.

First the motherboard had a problem which made the system lock up if you unplugged it from the charger.

After many hours on tech support, they finally had me mail it back after I had to get angry and volatile on the phone. This was after probably 8 or more tech support calls. They just kept making me run the same stupid test again and again.

After a month they sent it back, but then the video card was damaged. Most likely from the beginning faulty motherboard. They had to send me a new card to fix that.

Within a year overheating issues became worse and worse. Now the system is essentially a desktop. No laptop cooling pads would move enough air to cool it. It is now propped up with the bottom panel off and a small desk fan mounted behind it to keep it cool.

I now have a dual display setup and the system behaves pretty well when she is kept cool. It just sucks that my "laptop" is no longer portable at all.

I was a real supporter of Alienware, but after reading many horror stories on notebookforems.com, and dealing with my own, my mind has changed. If you do buy one, get the best warranty you can, just in case. Overheating is a major problem, but they should do a better job of curbing that when they cram that kind of hard ware inside.

The latest case designs may have fixed all this by now.

Craig Droessler October 5th, 2006 01:33 PM

Well I did that. I had the first keyframe with the object outside the left of the frame. Then the second keyframe with the logo in the center how I want it to stop.

Doing this, the logo slides in from left to center. I want it to roll as it moves in. So I took the first keyframe (the one with the logo outside the frame) and rotated it 180 degrees. This makes the logo spiral in, not roll.

I think it is because I am spinning the frame, not the logo. Is there a way to make the logo spin with out spinning the frame around it?

Torrance Colvin October 5th, 2006 01:38 PM

DSE, do you capture using the medium setting or the large setting in cineform? Is the difference really negligble?

Don Bloom October 5th, 2006 02:21 PM

Ahhh, OK that would make sense. I read too fast and didn't see you brought it in as a graphic. Does the PNG have a transparent background? If not then Vegas will spin the frame with the (probably black background) spinning with it. You can MASK out the logo but with the movement it can be a real PITA and many many keyframes OR you might try it in something like BluffTitler which is a very inexpensive motion graphics program that is made to do exactly what you want to do. Unfortunately Vegas really isn't set up to do this. WAIT!!! Another idea. You might try ChromaKey in Vegas to get rid of the background but remember that even with a transparent background on the timeline if theres nothing under the graphic the background will show as black, also try rendering it with an ALPHA CHANNEL and Premultiplied Dirty which will eliminate the background.
Good Luck, let us know what you're doing and how its going.
Don

Edward Troxel October 5th, 2006 02:45 PM

If you just drag it onto the timeline, open Pan/Crop, and then add rotation, it should rotate about the center of the screen. Then use Track Motion to position/move it.

Craig Droessler October 5th, 2006 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Bloom
Ahhh, OK that would make sense. I read too fast and didn't see you brought it in as a graphic. Does the PNG have a transparent background? If not then Vegas will spin the frame with the (probably black background) spinning with it. You can MASK out the logo but with the movement it can be a real PITA and many many keyframes OR you might try it in something like BluffTitler which is a very inexpensive motion graphics program that is made to do exactly what you want to do. Unfortunately Vegas really isn't set up to do this. WAIT!!! Another idea. You might try ChromaKey in Vegas to get rid of the background but remember that even with a transparent background on the timeline if theres nothing under the graphic the background will show as black, also try rendering it with an ALPHA CHANNEL and Premultiplied Dirty which will eliminate the background.
Good Luck, let us know what you're doing and how its going.
Don

Don,
Thanks for the advice. I'm a graphic designer by trade, but a newbie to video. So PNG images can retain Alpha channel masks? The logo is black and white, set on a white background. I can make the white transparent in Photoshop no problem. So a PNG file can have a transparent background? I'm new to the file type.

Edward,
I'll give your method a shot tonight when I get home.

Thanks guys

Edward Troxel October 5th, 2006 03:24 PM

Yes, a PNG can have a transparent background. If it does not show up that way (and it HAS as transparent background), right-click it, choose properties, and change the alpha channel mode.

Jim Montgomery October 5th, 2006 04:54 PM

Torrence

Try closing Media Manager. Options - Preferences - General. Vegas will load a lot quicker. Close Vegas and then re-open. Then import files using File - Import - Media and see if that helps.

Jim

Joe Bowey October 5th, 2006 05:49 PM

New to editing in HDV.
 
I am about to upgrade to Vegas 7 from Vegas 4 and have a few questions.
I shoot using JVC hd100ua camera and wonder do you guys Downconvert from hDV to sd before editing during the capture?
And I see Vegas 7 handles HDV files so I don't need any special capture cards?
Also, does editing HDV files on vegas 7 work as well as SD files?

Lamar Lamb October 5th, 2006 06:30 PM

Ultimate S2 & Vegas 7 Compatibility
 
I've been happily running Vegas 5 since it came out but the $149.00 offer from Sony finally broke me down so Vegas 7 + DVD is on the way.

My question is will the VASST Ultimate S2 plugins work with Vegas 7? I downloaded a trail copy of Ultimate S2 a little over a month ago and like it but have been waiting to see if it would work with Vegas 7 before I purchase.

Jim Montgomery October 5th, 2006 07:23 PM

Vasst has an update on their site.

Jim

Seth Bloombaum October 5th, 2006 07:31 PM

Brief HDV TC test with HD100 and V7
 
Got together this afternoon with forum member Burk Webb aka. Yoyodyne and we tested his extremely cool JVC HD100 with Vegas 7 internal capture via firewire.

24p - no camera timecode captured, all clips start at TC 0:00.
30p - mostly worked right! Our first cap didn't, but all caps after that showed correct camera timecode in the captured video.

More on Sony Z1 camera timecode on this thread (it works!)
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...269#post544269

Torrance Colvin October 5th, 2006 08:06 PM

Thanks for the effort Jim. Same Fatal Error Exception. Ahhhhhhh!


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