I also ran it through Acid

err.. wahts teh actaul disc.. some audio cds have copy protection which seems to be the case here coz the buzzin noise ur descibing sounds like the copy protection at work ...

No, it's just a basic cd-r recorded at a local studio, no protection.

"Moving the Grid"
 

Hey guys!

I have just ugraded to Sony Vegas 5.0 (from 4.0) and it is of course fantastic! However, I am having a slight problem with an aspect of the 'Event Pan/Crop' tool.

In Vegas 4.0, say I had opened an 'Event Pan/Crop' window, I could move the grid with the cursor keys on my keyboard which allowed me position precisely where I wanted the grid to go.

However, in Vegas 5.0, I am only able to move the grid using the mouse, or by typing in the relevant x,y etc values under the properties panel.

Is there a way I can get my cursors to function like they do in Vegas 4.0, so that they move the grid in minimal measures?

I know it sounds like a small problem, but I find it terribly annoying, as I like to have the frame panned and cropped precisely to my preference.

Hopefully somebody can shed some light on the situation!

Thanks!!

Moving via keyboard arrows was returned in Vegas 5.0b. What version are you running?

I see! I am running version 5.0a, which explains the problem.

Is there a patch of some sort that I can download to get this problem sorted out?

I think I've found the update at

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...p2.asp?DID=496

I'm assuming this will solve the issue!

Thank you for your response Edward.

Yes, that is the proper link for the 5.0b download.

I downloaded and installed the Update and alas, my problem is solved!

I know it sounds like something Trivial, but I was prepared to resort back to Vegas 4.0 had there been no solution (!)

Thank you Edward!

DC Metro, Northern Virginia to Baltimore Vegas user Group
 

A gent named Mickey Grackin and myself are trying to start up a DC Metro area Vegas User Group. Covering Northern VA, Washington DC, Maryland up to Baltimore (and points east to Anapolis). Anyone using Vegas for any reason is welcome.

If interested you can email him at
mgrackin@oicproductions.net

Risk to using footage that was aborted on capture w/ dropped frames?
 

Hi all. Just dragged in from seven weeks of production in the woods late last night, and before I get down to it I need to know one very crucial Vegas thing.

When Vegas aborts capture owing to dropped frames (I've set my preferences to do that), is the footage that was captured prior to the abort ok? How much is recorded that is "bad"? Does it record a second or two, a frame or two, of "bad" footage before it aborts? Or does it abort at that very frame? I'm hoping there is a safe way of "knowing" so I can use the rest. Thing is, it was all shot 24p, and there is a possibility of a film transfer, so I need to be very sure I have clean footage to work with. If there is any question in the slightest that I have footage where I can't tell if a frame is missing or not, I'd rather play it safe and blow out what I've already brought in while I was having a dropped frame problem with my system (which still is an issue... have to track down what's causing it or do a clean hard drive re-install so I can get cranking). OTOH, with over 90 hours of video, I want to keep what has already been captured if at all possible. That's a lot of "real time" to crank through in the days ahead.

Thanks in advance,
Marcia

I believe it will be fine up to the point where it stopped. When set to stop on dropped frames, everything should be fine up to the point where it stopped - i.e. the dropped frame.

Thanks Edward. A genuine relief.

Marcia, are you going to capture the tapes in one long file or have
it split them up into individual scenes? I do the latter and in the
case of dropped frames always recapture from that particular
scene. Ofcourse this is near impossible to do if you want a video
file that is 1 hour long.

Surround Panner query
 

Hello,
Just for a test I have used keyframes to send a sound round my 5.1 speakers starting from left rear round the front to right rear using 5 keyframes. It almost works, but when the sound gets to about front right, it starts appearing again in the rear left speaker, where it started. I don't know where I'm going wrong. The surround panner animates where the sound is positioned perfectly, so I don't see how the sound can end in the rear left and right speakers, when it should just be right. Any ideas? I'm using Vegas 5.0 by the way.

Thanks
Stewart

Rob, to save time I was going to bring in entire tapes then subclip from there. Logging first, then capturing the clips, is certainly the best way to go (like I did in my old Avid days) and would allow for easier recapturing as you say, if something goes awry. But that basically doubles the required real time hours (viewing, then capturing), and I desperately need to get into editing asap. And with 90 hours, that's a lot of time needed already. Thing is, I have someone at a studio, waiting, wanting to show my rough cut around to a some power players (a dad with a son impacted with this disease who understandably would like to help me get this story out there). Am hoping to have it pounded together by mid October, set to a score, etc. for the onset of the festival season as well.

So in your opinion, what I have that's intact from before I got the dropped frame message and Vegas aborted should be fine as Edward says? When I was home for a couple days mid-production I'd brought in around 10 hours of footage to check some things, and was having a maddening time with dropped frames. Something going on with my system, obviously. Still unresolved, but will track down what's going on in the next few days (more interviews today and tomorrow). But what I'd done at that time when Vegas aborted a section was back it up to the last place the speaker had begun a new thought, and restarted the capture from that point on, rather than deleting the entire capture.

I just wanted to verifiy that I wasn't courting trouble to keep that footage.
Marcia

General workflowof using vegas I presume
 

Capturing:
- capture the whole tape and let vegas decide on the scenes.

Editing
- I view the captured material in the trimmer and add markers
- at the same time I move the fragments I believe I'll need onto the timeline and put them next to each other without being too anal about precision in the cuts
- I add photos / titles in the same rough, unfinished manner to mark their places
- I view the resulting first very rough cut and start adjusting the cuts for rhytm, logic, aesthetics doing my best to finalize them, including the transitions (dissolves or whatever I'm using). At this stage I view each cut a few times and also fix the additional graphic elements - titles, images etc.
- at the time of the second view i also pay attention to the sound and may add markers in problematic areas.

- If I am happy with the cut I go on to fix the sound which may involve many things - from using volume envelopes
to opening it in audio software and applying compression, using one channel to create simulated stereo etc.)

- Create DVD using DVD Architect

- If it's an important project I show it to people (wife, friends, neighbor - whoever I can bribe with beer and crackers) and ask them what they thing (and also watch them while they are watching - when are they bored and when are they interested?).

- Maybe make adjustments and create a final dvd.

- It's a wrap.

A few notes:
- When editing I sometimes don't use the trimmer but put the whole file on the timeline, watch it, and slice (S) around the parts I want to remove.
- When working with footage from 2 cameras, I sync the tracks (using a noticeable sound event), put them above each other and use the Exclamation mark button to turn the bottom on and off and see which view I want. Then move the footage I want to a third timeline.

What I would like to hear from others:
- approach to editing footage from multiple cameras.
- approach to editing music video type stuff - (many cuts, sync to beat)

Regards,
-- Andre

Capturing:
- capture the whole tape and let vegas decide on the scenes.

I capture "segments" of tapes but do so via Batch Capture. I do NOT let vegas break on scenes, I do so later.


Editing
- I view the captured material in the trimmer and add markers
- at the same time I move the fragments I believe I'll need onto the timeline and put them next to each other without being too anal about precision in the cuts

I place the segments directly on the timeline skipping the trimmer. Depending on the project, I then use Tsunami to extract the good segments.


- When working with footage from 2 cameras, I sync the tracks (using a noticeable sound event), put them above each other and use the Exclamation mark button to turn the bottom on and off and see which view I want. Then move the footage I want to a third timeline.

I usually create a PIP view so I can see all of the cameras at once. I then simply place markers where I want to switch cameras named to indicate the proper camera. Excalibur makes this process a breeze. After all markers are in place, Excalibur creates the "third timeline" or Master Track for me.


What I would like to hear from others:
- approach to editing footage from multiple cameras.

Click on the link below my name, go to the Newsletters, and read Vol #1, Issue #9 for 4 different methods of Multi-Cam editing including Excalibur.


- approach to editing music video type stuff - (many cuts, sync to beat)

1) Capture- allowing vegas to break the sceens up (ie sceen detection enabled)

I used to capture entire tapes, or large sections at a time w/o sceen detection but I found it makes fragmentation even worse as it's hard to place a huge file on a populated hardrive without fragmenting it. Besides I figure if I need the whole tape on the timeline I hold down shift to select all the clips from a particular tape then drag them to the timeline in one fell swoop.

2) Weed out the clips I'm using.

Usually I'll create an empty track above my footage and shuttle through my footage using the new drag the cursor ability in Vegas 5. When I see a clip or segment I'm going to use I usually extract it by making a selection and hitting S.......or simply by finding the start and end and hitting S at each point. After the clip is split I'll move it to the track above which is usually muted so it won't interfere with the viewing of the raw footage.

3) Go back with all the little slivers and segments and condense them so they are butt up against each other only leaving small gaps between shots from different sceens. It's at this step I'll actually start to pull the clips and assemble them over a bed of music....that is if the type of video your doing needs to be timed and edited to music.

4) Render.

I'll render whole sections at a time. For example while doing a wedding video I'll render the ceremony as one long AVI clip. Once I have all the clips...(bridal prep, ceremony, recessional, various reception segments, and highlight vignette) I'll assemble all the DV AVIs on a separate timeline add my markers for chapter points then encode an MPG2 using the DVDA template making sure I keep save chapter markers in media checked. That way all my chapterpoints are already made BEFORE I go into DVDA.

Re: General workflowof using vegas I presume
 

What I would like to hear from others:
- approach to editing footage from multiple cameras.
- approach to editing music video type stuff - (many cuts, sync to beat)

Regards,
-- Andre


Editing to Music: A lifesaver for this style of editing is to listen to the music peice your using several times. Get the feel of it's range and beat. Then go back while listening and keep your finger on the "M" key. Tap the M key to the beat, and or transitions in the song. Areas where you feel would be condusive to cuts and dissolves. I sometimes even close my eyes not to be distracted by the screen and just listen. Once your done you might have some minor tweaking to make sure your markers are cleanly on beats. I use this as my foundation for laying down clips.

An example of a clip that required lots of timing:
http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/..._VIGNETTE1.wmv



Multi-Cam Editing: One word- EXCALIBUR
I'm spoiled- I can't imagine going back after doing multi-cam editing with Excalibur. It's arguably the most usefull script in that plug-in...I love it!

Thank You
 

Thank you Edward, Andre and Glen. I'm sorry for the lack of contact, but during the last few days I went down on a fast-track at work, could barely speak.

Will use your 'inputs' as a general guideline for me. I'm kinda lost, if you know what I mean.

Kindest Regards,
Gustavo

Yet another V5 clip...
 

From the current wedding project I'm neck deep in....

http://home.comcast.net/~g.elliott3/...Prep_Intro.mpg

Hello Glen,

Great work!

I really love the end scene with the bell and the overcast sky ( did you film like 2 minutes and then sped it up ? )

The in-zoomed-eye to white flash -> forrest is also very nice!

One thing that I noticed:

First scene when you super impose the brick wall on the church - I think it is a bit "quick" I'd like the bricks to come in a bit smoother.

Best regards,

Lars Siden

I honoustly don't know if the very last piece of the captured file
will contain the drops or not. I just don't know since I've always
deleted the complete file and started over again. Ofcourse the
earlier parts of the file MUST be okay, so having an overlap
sounds wise to me to make sure all is well.

If capturing is such a precious thing timewise perhaps it would
be good to look at direct to disk options? Anyway, good luck
hunting your problem!

Will my Vegas 5 work with Windows XP SP2
 

Good morning:

Now that WinXP Service Pack2 is available but I'm still not confident enough to install it. I'm afraid that it will screw up my Vegas 5 or something else. Has any try it yet?


Thanks
AP

Well basically it is not out yet. It has only been released to beta
testers and partners of Microsoft. So testing hasn't really begun
for the consumers yet. You've survived this long on SP1 so I would
not upgrade to SP2 for a couple of weeks at least.

A lot has changed in the service pack. I so no reason for Vegas
not to work, but I would not advice against testing if you do not
have a very good knowledge of Windows and problem solving.

SP2 is a bit overhyped and I'm pretty sure a lot will still work.
The major thing for consumers is that the Firewall is now enabled
on all connections per default. This can cause some problems if
you already are running a third party firewall or don't have one.

The other biggest change has to do with network security but
a single user system will not see anything of this. This network
security will only hit you when you are doing DCOM which a lot
of people ARE NOT doing anyway.

Why am I then saying you should wait? Because you can never
be sure. Microsoft can't test everything in the world and errors
or problems can always crop up. Again, you have survived this
long on SP1 so just wait a bit longer.

I'm gonna do some tests myself this week and I might test Vegas
as well, although I'm not to keen on installing it on my main
machine just yet. I need the ability to do some work!

According to Sony, they have been testing it for quite a while and have not discovered any problems. If you DO install it and discover a problem, they want to know about it immediately.

most of SP2 goodies are downlaodbal from windows updates anyway :)
theres nothing too significant out there that isnt prolly already installed on ur machine..

if its not 100% to the front, u WILL get bleeding in the rears..
(no heameroids jokes please..lol)

<<<-- Originally posted by Lars Siden : Hello Glen,

Great work!

I really love the end scene with the bell and the overcast sky ( did you film like 2 minutes and then sped it up ? )
Exactly- then I applied a small zoom using pan crop.

The in-zoomed-eye to white flash -> forrest is also very nice!
Thank you- yeah I love that "flash" transition.

One thing that I noticed:

First scene when you super impose the brick wall on the church - I think it is a bit "quick" I'd like the bricks to come in a bit smoother.
Thanks for the input- I'll take a look at the timing of that transition again. Sometimes you get too close to these projects and miss things.

He's not talking about "bleeds".

I get that, too, Stewart...
The sound gets from left, to right, and then to the lfet again, even though you panned it to the right. I have no idee why this happends :(

Hi, Northern VA here, Alexandria to be axact. I'm a Vegas user 4+5 mainly for wedding.

Welcome.
Our kickoff meeting is scheduled Sunday, 4 PM, Aug 22 at the Food Court at Union Station, because it's accessable for just about everyone by Metro and/or car. I believe the Red Line gets you there if you prefer not to drive.
Email me and I'll pass your name on to Mickey. We want a relaxed atmosphere so everyone can discuss what sort of group we want to be. Everyone can get something to eat and contribute their ideas. We will also be open to suggestions as to where to meet on a regular basis. Something accessable, cheap or free and has good electrical hookups.

Hi,

I'm running Vegas v5.0b and Win XP Pro Eng SP2 - works perfectly! ( Installed the final SP2 3 days ago, have been running the betas and RC:s earlier ).

Best regards,

Lars Siden

The groups isn't just for those who live close to DC, but for those that work in and around DC. All are invited. We will have members that live in Fredericksburg and Chantilly.

In general, unless you really need a feature or fix in new software, don't upgrade. Everyone assumes software development will produce improvements. Just about the
only thing you can count on is an increase in the size
of the software. New software is a combination of
previous bugs and features and new bugs and features.

(Personal rant)
A prime example is Pinnacle Studio9. It has the same
critical bugs of Studio8 (Audio/Video out of sync, lack
of project time estimation, rerenders existing MPEG2
files, butt-slow editing performance with
more than 15 chapters, etc.), but comes in a shiny new
box, with new graphics and "bonus" content, and
lots of little things to click on that ask you for your
credit card.

I like the camera movement on the close-up of the flowers while leaving the statue and background stationary. Must have taken some time to perfect.

Nice audio, where is it from, and is it royalty free, or dare I ask? I am interested in licensing some decent tracks, but can't seem to find anything worth while at any reasonable price.

Just well done, I really enjoyed it.

Dan check out my post here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=30423

I have the Gary Kleiner DVDA2 Training Discs (2 discs)....I'll be putting them for sale as soon as I'm done watching them. If your interested in them as well check back in a few weeks. If you need them ASAP- I'd suggest ordering them from www.VegasTrainingandTools.com

DSE - Vegas for Multitrack Audio Recording
 

I have used Vegas for mulitple multitrack audio projects, however the source files were always recorded on a pro audio multitrack recorder and converted to .wav files before being brought into Vegas. What I am looking into is whether Vegas will allow you to map dedicated audio inputs to specific audio tracks on the timeline for recording real-time from an audio interface such as the Edirol FA-101 8-track firewire interface (http://www.edirol.com/products/info/fa101.html). basically, I want to record 8 discreet audio tracks from external audio sources at the same time. Will Vegas do this with the appropriate interface hardware?

Your input is appreciated!

I am not DSE, but can tell you that I have recently done excalty what you are describing: 8 tracks live to the timeline...for three hours.

No problem. I used a MOTU 896HD.

Gary