Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Brian Munt · October 28th, 2004, 09:10 PM

OK Great that sounds simple enough. I will just render as an uncompressed avi then bring that into the project or if it a simple
veggie I will just copy and paste and work from there.
Thank You for all you help...

Scott Brickert · October 28th, 2004, 09:47 PM

Are you saying if I hit any key while Vegas is the 'active' program, that it will abort the render?

I think I might have checked email or surfed the web a bit.

Thanks

Scott

Gary Kleiner · October 28th, 2004, 10:29 PM

Space bar, and perhaps a few more WILL certainly abort your render if Vegas has the focus.

Gary

Terry Thompson · October 28th, 2004, 11:49 PM

"I edited the clips down to what I wanted using the S key, If that makes a difference. can't see that it would, just thought I'd through that in there. I defrag often so I don't think it's that......"

I know this is a stupid question (and it might have been asked as I haven't read all the posts) but did you leave enough room at the beginning and end of your clips to allow for disolves etc.?

I have noticed that if I don't have enough of the clip for my disolve it will do strange things like start the clip over at the end where the disolve is.

Terry

Terry Thompson · October 28th, 2004, 11:59 PM

Cool name for your company. Where is Stockton, UT?

Interesting solultion. I have a lot to learn. I've been looking for a way to do split screens for side by side comparisons of the before and after shots using my stabilization system.

I love Vegas even thought I don't like to edit that much. I do like the end results.

Terry

Vance Osborne · October 29th, 2004, 02:17 AM

Hi All,
Quick question;
In Premiere, you can perfom what is called a "frame hold"...
Can you do the same thing in Vegas 4? And if so, what is the procedure/location of the ability?

Thank you!

Sunny Dhinsey · October 29th, 2004, 02:45 AM

Thank you for your responses, I guess there are a number of points that are encouraging me to buy a new Windows based laptop instead:

1) As Glen said, the program may be buggy and was written for P4

2) As Edward said, it may not capture/print video (which I need ;-)

3) I hate the Mac interface/environment. (I was originally taken by the smart look of the PowerBook)

Thanks!

Sunny Dhinsey · October 29th, 2004, 02:52 AM

What do you mean by 'frame hold'?

I assume you are referring to literally holding the image still on one particular frame (i.e freeze framing).

If so, this is easily done in Vegas.

First of all add a velocity envelope to the clip upon which you wish to perform the freeze frame. Then locate the precise frame from which you wish to freeze the motion clip. At this location, add 2 points on the envelope line and set the latter one to a speed of 0% and line it up with the previous point (please check after dragging that it is still on 0%).

This is how I usually perform this action. I'm sure there are other ways to do this.

Hope this helps!

Sunny Dhinsey · October 29th, 2004, 03:01 AM

I suppose the only thing you have to take into consideration whilst attempting the effect as outlined by DSE, is the movement of natural light.

For example, if you have sunlight coming in through a window, it may have changed position from when you filmed the first portion of your sequence (i.e you on the left) to the second portion (you on the right). It is likely that this may result in differences in the two halves of the picture.

You would need to make sure that there are no noticeable differences/changes in light position.

If you are shooting in a totally self lit environment, then you should have no problem, providing the lighting is not altered in any way for the two independent shots.

Edward Troxel · October 29th, 2004, 07:25 AM

If you mean create a freeze frame, yes this can be done in a variety of ways. I use a velocity envelope and change the speed to 0% to accomplish this.

If you mean have a keyframe that holds until the next keyframe, just right-click the keyframe and choose "Hold" as the type.

Edward Troxel · October 29th, 2004, 07:29 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Terry Thompson : I have noticed that if I don't have enough of the clip for my disolve it will do strange things like start the clip over at the end where the disolve is.

Terry -->>>

That's they beauty about Vegas. Instead of needing to keep head/tails, just overlap the clips! However, if you DO add a transition in such a way that the clips extend then you must make sure you have room to extend.

The "start the clip over" is actually optional. You can also have it "freeze the last frame". Just right-click that event, choose Properties, and UNCHECK "Loop".

Edward Troxel · October 29th, 2004, 07:31 AM

Once you start the render, try minimizing Vegas.

When the render is started, the "cancel" button is selected by default. If you press "TAB", it will change the focus to the checkbox on that dialog box instead so you would be less likely to accidentally stop the render. My solution is usually to either minimize Vegas or just walk away from that machine.

Vance Osborne · October 29th, 2004, 12:46 PM

Hi, thank you for the replies!

A "frame-hold" is just a term used in Premiere to freeze a given frame for a lenght of time.
Instead of exporting a still frame, then re-importing it and dragging it out over the timeline, you can select a frame and tell premiere to freeze it on that frame.
You simply splice, then cut you desired frame, open your menu and select 'frame hold, in or out point', and then you now drag that one frame over the timeline for as long as you want, and it will appear to be "frozen" while playing back in realtime.

I was just trying to figure out if Vegas has the same type of command. I'm trying what you both have mentioned, but am having problems for some reason..
For some reason, after I apply a velocity envelope to my clip, I cannot adjust the speed. There's nothing for me to move around...where is that blue line that the help shows you to be able to move up and down to adjust the speed?

Vance Osborne · October 29th, 2004, 12:49 PM

oops...I had the timeline up to high, so I couldn't see it.
So, I found the velocity line to change the speed.
The problem is, how do I stretch one frame over the time line?

Vance Osborne · October 29th, 2004, 01:06 PM

hmmm...

I tried the "adding points" to the velocity line.

What I did was this:

1) I found my frame that I wanted to freeze
2) I then cut it and applied a velocity envelop to it
3) I made the velocity at 0% and added two points, beginning and end, both with the "hold" selection

It's not really working for me, for some reason...

All I want to do is to take a clip, divide it in two and separate them with a large gap. Then take the first half, take the *last* frame, cut it, then tell vegas that I want it to remain on the *one* frame while I drag it to fill the gap between the two main clips. Basically, making the video appear the have been frozen on that frame for a duration of time.

What am I doing wrong?
Thank you...

October 28th, 2004, 11:49 PM	#1294
Terry Thompson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 578	Re: Stutter in Vegas problem "I edited the clips down to what I wanted using the S key, If that makes a difference. can't see that it would, just thought I'd through that in there. I defrag often so I don't think it's that......" I know this is a stupid question (and it might have been asked as I haven't read all the posts) but did you leave enough room at the beginning and end of your clips to allow for disolves etc.? I have noticed that if I don't have enough of the clip for my disolve it will do strange things like start the clip over at the end where the disolve is. Terry __________________ He's only mostly sDEADy. sort of from "The Princess Bride" www.indicam.com

October 28th, 2004, 11:59 PM	#1295
Terry Thompson Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auburn, CA Posts: 578	Where is Stockton, UT Cool name for your company. Where is Stockton, UT? Interesting solultion. I have a lot to learn. I've been looking for a way to do split screens for side by side comparisons of the before and after shots using my stabilization system. I love Vegas even thought I don't like to edit that much. I do like the end results. Terry __________________ He's only mostly sDEADy. sort of from "The Princess Bride" www.indicam.com

October 29th, 2004, 02:17 AM	#1296
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	Frame Holds!! Hi All, Quick question; In Premiere, you can perfom what is called a "frame hold"... Can you do the same thing in Vegas 4? And if so, what is the procedure/location of the ability? Thank you!

October 29th, 2004, 02:45 AM	#1297
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	Thank you for your responses, I guess there are a number of points that are encouraging me to buy a new Windows based laptop instead: 1) As Glen said, the program may be buggy and was written for P4 2) As Edward said, it may not capture/print video (which I need ;-) 3) I hate the Mac interface/environment. (I was originally taken by the smart look of the PowerBook) Thanks! __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

October 29th, 2004, 02:52 AM	#1298
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	What do you mean by 'frame hold'? I assume you are referring to literally holding the image still on one particular frame (i.e freeze framing). If so, this is easily done in Vegas. First of all add a velocity envelope to the clip upon which you wish to perform the freeze frame. Then locate the precise frame from which you wish to freeze the motion clip. At this location, add 2 points on the envelope line and set the latter one to a speed of 0% and line it up with the previous point (please check after dragging that it is still on 0%). This is how I usually perform this action. I'm sure there are other ways to do this. Hope this helps! __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

October 28th, 2004, 09:10 PM	#1291
Brian Munt New Boot Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Prince George, B.C. Canada Posts: 10	OK Great that sounds simple enough. I will just render as an uncompressed avi then bring that into the project or if it a simple veggie I will just copy and paste and work from there. Thank You for all you help...

October 28th, 2004, 09:47 PM	#1292
Scott Brickert Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Crested Butte, CO Posts: 576	Are you saying if I hit any key while Vegas is the 'active' program, that it will abort the render? I think I might have checked email or surfed the web a bit. Thanks Scott

October 28th, 2004, 10:29 PM	#1293
Gary Kleiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 166	Space bar, and perhaps a few more WILL certainly abort your render if Vegas has the focus. Gary

October 29th, 2004, 03:01 AM	#1299
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	I suppose the only thing you have to take into consideration whilst attempting the effect as outlined by DSE, is the movement of natural light. For example, if you have sunlight coming in through a window, it may have changed position from when you filmed the first portion of your sequence (i.e you on the left) to the second portion (you on the right). It is likely that this may result in differences in the two halves of the picture. You would need to make sure that there are no noticeable differences/changes in light position. If you are shooting in a totally self lit environment, then you should have no problem, providing the lighting is not altered in any way for the two independent shots. __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

October 29th, 2004, 07:25 AM	#1300
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you mean create a freeze frame, yes this can be done in a variety of ways. I use a velocity envelope and change the speed to 0% to accomplish this. If you mean have a keyframe that holds until the next keyframe, just right-click the keyframe and choose "Hold" as the type. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 29th, 2004, 07:29 AM	#1301
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Re: Stutter in Vegas problem <<<-- Originally posted by Terry Thompson : I have noticed that if I don't have enough of the clip for my disolve it will do strange things like start the clip over at the end where the disolve is. Terry -->>> That's they beauty about Vegas. Instead of needing to keep head/tails, just overlap the clips! However, if you DO add a transition in such a way that the clips extend then you must make sure you have room to extend. The "start the clip over" is actually optional. You can also have it "freeze the last frame". Just right-click that event, choose Properties, and UNCHECK "Loop". __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 29th, 2004, 07:31 AM	#1302
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Once you start the render, try minimizing Vegas. When the render is started, the "cancel" button is selected by default. If you press "TAB", it will change the focus to the checkbox on that dialog box instead so you would be less likely to accidentally stop the render. My solution is usually to either minimize Vegas or just walk away from that machine. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 29th, 2004, 12:46 PM	#1303
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	Hi, thank you for the replies! A "frame-hold" is just a term used in Premiere to freeze a given frame for a lenght of time. Instead of exporting a still frame, then re-importing it and dragging it out over the timeline, you can select a frame and tell premiere to freeze it on that frame. You simply splice, then cut you desired frame, open your menu and select 'frame hold, in or out point', and then you now drag that one frame over the timeline for as long as you want, and it will appear to be "frozen" while playing back in realtime. I was just trying to figure out if Vegas has the same type of command. I'm trying what you both have mentioned, but am having problems for some reason.. For some reason, after I apply a velocity envelope to my clip, I cannot adjust the speed. There's nothing for me to move around...where is that blue line that the help shows you to be able to move up and down to adjust the speed?

October 29th, 2004, 12:49 PM	#1304
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	oops...I had the timeline up to high, so I couldn't see it. So, I found the velocity line to change the speed. The problem is, how do I stretch one frame over the time line?

October 29th, 2004, 01:06 PM	#1305
Vance Osborne New Boot Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 19	hmmm... I tried the "adding points" to the velocity line. What I did was this: 1) I found my frame that I wanted to freeze 2) I then cut it and applied a velocity envelop to it 3) I made the velocity at 0% and added two points, beginning and end, both with the "hold" selection It's not really working for me, for some reason... All I want to do is to take a clip, divide it in two and separate them with a large gap. Then take the first half, take the last frame, cut it, then tell vegas that I want it to remain on the one frame while I drag it to fill the gap between the two main clips. Basically, making the video appear the have been frozen on that frame for a duration of time. What am I doing wrong? Thank you...