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Lee Mullen October 1st, 2012 09:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alister Chapman (Post 1756128)
Been out and about in Hong Kong shooting with a pre-production EA50 and I really quite like it. It is not an FS700 or FS100, the image quality is not quite that good. The pictures are contrasty and it's not as sensitive. It's really nice to have the same familiar menu's as the FS100 including the same picture profiles so you can dial in a look to suit your needs. The servo zoom is OK. It's not perfect, there is a picture shift when you change zoom direction and some small focus shifts (these should be significantly reduced in production units). It was really nice to have a functioning zoom on a big sensor camera. But even if you don't have a zoom lens the EA50's 2x electronic zoom works really well and I didn't notice any significant change in image quality when using the digital zoom. The camera is front heavy, but it's not a heavy weight camera so I didn't find it too bad to use. The buttons and switches are easy to access when it's on your shoulder. I missed having builtin ND filters and had to resort to using the shutter to deal with brighter scenes and there are no special functions like S&Q so no time-lapse or slow motion other than by shooting at 50p/60p and slowing it down in post. I did shoot some time lapse by just letting the camera roll and then speeding it up in post. It does have a few slow shutter speeds so I was able to use these in some of the night sequences I shot for a blurry effect. I'll be writing a longer more detailed review in due course and posting some sample clips and frame grabs.
Will you share the footage with us all Alister? :)

Ron Little October 1st, 2012 10:38 AM
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What about the aliasing and moire?

Kate Spiegel October 1st, 2012 06:38 PM
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Hi, if there is a 2x digital zoom for primes, what would a 50mm prime turn in to zoomed in at 2x?

Kate Spiegel October 3rd, 2012 10:37 PM
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Well it appears that it would make the 50mm lens a 100mm lens.

Randy Johnson October 4th, 2012 09:12 AM
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I shoot wedding and I find this camera very exciting. I currently use Panasonics AG-HMC 150s I cant wait to get back to a shoulder mount camera I am kinda old school and the hmc-150 was my first (and last) hand held camera. I am just a little nervous on the image quality, How can I one chip deliver accurate colors equal to a 3 chip?

Noa Put October 4th, 2012 09:19 AM
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Quote:
and the hmc-150 was my first (and last) hand held camera
The NEX-EA50EH is still a handheld camera, the shoulderpad just extends the back of the camera and that you can lay on your shoulder but all the camera's wheight will be in your hands, just like any "handicam". The only advantage out of that formfactor is that you could hold it a bit more stable but I doubt you can do that for extended times.

Randy Johnson October 4th, 2012 10:18 AM
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I use Anton/Bauer batteries for my light and wireless at least theres a place to mount stuff like that unlike my current camera.

Craig Seeman October 20th, 2012 10:59 AM
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Finally NEXEA50 test footage (preproduction) posted somewhere.
Johnnie Behiri grouses about the lack of ND filters (Sony had to GET that people want these even if it impacts form factor and price) and more notably he describes rolling shutter as severe. If you read the comments it's likened to the earliest DSLRs used for video (not good).

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2012 01:00 PM
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Well I've had the review and frame grabs up on my site for a while.
NEX-EA50 Review. Great Value For The Money. |
There is some skew, more than most dedicated video cameras, but I didn't find it to be horrendous. Moire and aliasing were well controlled. I have some video clips but these were shot for a specific purpose so I can't put them online just yet. Overall I thought the images I came away with were really pretty good considering the price point.

Craig Seeman October 20th, 2012 01:26 PM
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Thanks for that info Alister.
It's so hard to judge a criticism when there's no example of it to judge. Behiri's footage looks reasonable even when played at 1080 on Vimeo. It's not skewing in his slow slider/dolly shots.
It looks like it might be a reasonable camera in lower budget Corporate, Doc, ENG work.

For me, an important test would be to see how the skewing looks in "braced against the shoulder" work following a not so rapidly moving subject.

I think the market is for those of us looking at a kitted out DSLR vs something that has a "proper" camera form factor that doesn't have to be "put together" for a shoot.

Alister Chapman October 20th, 2012 03:44 PM
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I shot some fast pans of buses and trams going past and when you watch the footage you don't notice any skew, but if you step through it frame by frame you can see the buses are slightly twisted. I've seen better and I've seen worse, unless your shooting fast action like sports I don't think most people will find it a problem.

Craig Seeman October 21st, 2012 10:11 AM
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Thanks Alister. When I hear another reviewer describe the problem as "severe" and puts it in the class of the earliest DSLRs used for video, it implies bad. Your description sounds much more serviceable and tolerable for a camera in this low price range.

Craig Seeman October 21st, 2012 10:27 AM
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Another review went on line a couple of days back sans production lens.
ProVideo Coalition.com: Bruce's Blog by Bruce A. Johnson | Founder

It's more technical, functional, form factor than image evaluation.
Seems Bruce Johnson feels it's a little to easy to accidentally turn off.
Although only alluded to, it seems low light performance isn't a highlight although he mentions the slow lens he was given and having to gain up indoors.
He likes the full size HDMI connector but regrets no SDI.
He loves the viewfinder but not the tube one might use with it (described as fragile).
He mentions the lack of time code sync for multicam but I certainly wouldn't expect that in this price range. Alas we live in the age of Plural Eyes after all.
The nifty feature pointed to is the 2x digital zoom. This is great used of the APS-C sensor (uses the sensor size rather than digital image blow up for those who don't quite grasp the significance).

Kyle Root October 26th, 2012 07:16 PM
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As a wedding and event video guy, I'm really interested in this camera to compliment my NX5U.

The big selling point for me back when I made the switch from Canon to Sony was, the fact that I could simultaneously record to both SD and the FMU for instant backup. Which, in this field is huge.

The price is great. The feature set looks great. The capabilities look pretty good.

Now, just got to save up some $. lol

Noa Put October 28th, 2012 09:53 AM
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Only 480p now? When I last looked I thought there was 720p as well? Must say the images out of this camera look pretty good to me.

Stephen Gradin November 16th, 2012 02:21 PM
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Wondering why this camera can shoot 30p, which is great, none of the other Sony APS-C sensor camcorders have this feature, even the new FF VG-900 doesn't have it. I am also wondering why Sony seems to be dropping 30p except for all of the news type camcorders. I like shooting 30p. Is having 30p on a camcorder not necessary any more, just shoot 60i and drop it into a 30p timeline if you want progressive?

Also wondering if you can record true 4:2:2 out of the HDMI port. I have yet to find where there is a straight answer on this one. Thoughts anyone?

Craig Seeman November 16th, 2012 02:49 PM
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Specs from AbelCine
Sony NEX-EA50UH Camera with 18-200mm Servo Zoom Lens - DEPOSIT :: Compact HD Cameras :: Cameras :: Equipment Sales :: AbelCine

1920x1080p60
HDMI output would be 4:2:2 but probably only 8 bit.
Note they list that it supports TimeCode on HDMI as well much as the FS series does.

Sony UK has product page up but not seeing it in US yet.
NEX-EA50EH (NEXEA50EH) : Product Overview : Sony Professional

Ron Evans November 16th, 2012 03:41 PM
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60i will not give you 30p in any way as the temporal motion is the same as 60P it just records fields instead of full frames. Just half the vertical resolution compared to 60P but the same motion characteristics. If you want the slow frame rate you will have to record it that way. Confusion comes in that 60i is called 29.97 fps but that is timecode not exposure rate. Exposure rate is 59.94 fields per second. Camera is taking exposures at the same rate as 60P.

Would still like to know if it has touch focus like the consumer cameras.


Ron Evans

Randy Johnson November 16th, 2012 09:33 PM
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I cant wait to see this camera, if its at least as good in low light as my AG-HMC 150s I am buying 2!

Alister Chapman November 17th, 2012 11:02 AM
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Pretty sure the viewfinder is not a touch screen.

Matt Davis November 17th, 2012 11:08 AM
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I got to play with one at the F5/55 launch event in London and IIRC (i.e. I have a really strong memory of doing this) 'tap to focus' Spot focus was enabled.

Apologies if this is the Mother Of All Middle Aged Moments, but Tap To Focus would make a lot of sense on this style of camera.

Ron Evans November 17th, 2012 12:05 PM
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That is good to know. The spec did say touch face so i wondered if ordinary touch focus was there too. In face detection mode the camera is normally in auto . I like having CX700 etc in manual but being able to touch focus. I hope this is how it is implementd in th EA50.

Ron Evans

Stephen Gradin November 17th, 2012 07:25 PM
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I wonder how good this camera can be in low light with the stock lens, which is not a fast lens. If anyone has used this 18-200 mm lens with the other cameras in this category, I would like to know your feedback. Does raising the ISO and/or adding Gain allow you to shoot in low light with this lens and not get added grain to the image?

Unregistered Guest November 17th, 2012 11:27 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. That slow stock lens on that camera can't be good in low light even with the large APS-C sensor. I'm considering a JVC GY-HM600 for its low light capability (among other things) instead of the EA-50.

Chris Harding November 18th, 2012 12:25 AM
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Hi Guys

Nothing wrong with popping on a Sony 50mm F1.8 when you have low light..with the unique 2X internal zoom you still have a 50 -100 zoom lens and still autofocusable too!

With no ND filters (which suits me doing solo shoots with 2 cameras at weddings), does anyone know if the auto-iris simply uses a combination of iris and shutter to control exposure or does it also have an automatic internal ND filter like the Panasonic HMC40/80 and new AC-90 cameras have ??

The stock lens at F3.5 will need LOT's of light and Sony have rated it at 7 lux so I'm also wondering if the lens will only be good outside ...some Churches we have are fairly dim inside too!!

Chris

Ron Evans November 18th, 2012 08:38 AM
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The JVC-HM600 series do not have AVCHD 2.0 so no 50/60P which I think is a problem going forward now. I would certainly like to move to all 60P cameras. With the EA50 you can change the lens for a really fast one if needed. I shoot theatre now with my NX5U and even in the dark theatre shows rarely use above 9 db and since the NX5U lens rams as do lots in this price range it will be at f2.8 to f3.5 anyway. Above 9db the NX5U starts to really show grain so in this regard I think the EA50 will be a lot better than the NX5U for dark conditions even down to its f6 range since it appears to be clean video at 30db which may more than account for the lens. Will really have to see what it turns out to be with production units when they are available. I am sure more lenses will appear too.

Ron Evans

Unregistered Guest November 18th, 2012 10:38 AM
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Interesting. I use an NX5U too. It would be nice if the stock EA50 can do better in low light than the NX5U.

Ron Evans November 18th, 2012 11:12 AM
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It doesn't have smooth gain switching so that may be a little issue for me though. Something I really like on the NX5U.Will have to wait and see.

Ron Evans

Stephen Gradin November 18th, 2012 03:18 PM
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I would think filming dance recitals/plays with the EA50 would not be good, since the stock lens ramps up to 6.3 f-stop when zoomed in on dark stage. I use Z7U for stage work, great Zeiss lens for low light, only ramps up to 2.0 (from 1.6 when fully wide). Zeiss lenses for EA50 look pretty expensive. You would have to purchase A-mount adapter and I do not see Zeiss lenses with much of a zoom range. Does the new zoom rocker do 2x on the A-series lenses and keep focus, or is this feature only for E-mount lenses? Does it just snap to 2x, or does it have some kind of zoom range?

Ron Evans November 18th, 2012 03:33 PM
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I am not thinking of replacing my NX5U. I think the digital 2x zoom works with any lens as it is a processor effect cropping the sensor. So it should work with the stock lens too. Zoomed in the NX5U ramps to f3.4 with a sensor that is not as sensitive and a lot noisier so gain can't be used like the newer cameras. It will be interesting to see if the ability to use gain more than compensates for the slower lens. My CX700 easily outperforms the NX5U for a clean signal in low light for instance. The CX700 is much cleaner at 21db of gain than the NX5U at 12db the absolute limit I will use on my NX5U.

Ron Evans

Chris Harding November 18th, 2012 11:24 PM
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Hi Guys

Being a newcomer to big sensors, would the camera in a typical indoor scenario with the stock F3.5 lens be a whole lot better compared to my Panasonics with have 1/4" chips and a lens that goes down to F1.9

Just wondering if we are talking BIG differences here considering the very large sensor even though the lens is only F3.5 ....If it makes my HMC80's look silly in that sort of lighting situation then it's really worth looking at. With the 1/4" chips on the Panny My iris would already be open and some gain applied in an ordinary domestic living room...could I expect the Sony to be a lot better???

Nother quickie question ..I see the NEX specs talk about Auto ISO AND AGC ...I'm confused I understand ISO in a stills camera and gain in a video camera ...but both??

Chris

Randy Johnson November 18th, 2012 11:52 PM
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Does someone make a fast 80-200 for that camera?

Lee Mullen November 19th, 2012 04:47 AM
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What annoys me the most is how both Canon and Sony have gone BACKWARDS regarding interchangable lenses. The Canon Hi8 camera from the EARLY 1990s had INTERCHANGABLE lenses WITH zoom control!!! WHy hasn't this system been retained and upgrade for use with the new large sensor camers both companies are now producing?? Too hard??

Craig Seeman November 19th, 2012 10:01 AM
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Canon Hi8 cameras used lenses designed for the camera specifically.
Sony's lenses are designed for a wide variety of cameras including their Alpha cameras.
The result is that only a very few lenses designed specifically for this, the FS700, etc will have built in servo zoom control.

BTW no one is locked into the stock lens. Need a faster lens, get a faster lens. That's the point of large sensor interchangeable lens cameras.

Unregistered Guest November 19th, 2012 02:19 PM
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But we're pretty much stuck if we want a better servo zoom lens that will work on the EA50. At least until Sony comes out with a line of servo zoom lens to choose from.

Alister Chapman November 20th, 2012 05:03 AM
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Not going to argue with you Matt. It wasn't a feature I was particularly looking for.

James Hobert November 20th, 2012 11:10 PM
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Finally decided to join this forum after reading posts for years. Looking into this camera as well. Will be interested to see more reviews as more people get their hands on it and compare it to other cameras out there. Saw this recent footage comparison of this camera and found it very interesting. Thought I'd share...

Craig Seeman November 21st, 2012 12:52 PM
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In many respects I found the comments of more value than the video comparison.

I don't doubt there are many people who want to use a large sensor camera to replace a small sensor camera but I personally feel they serve two different purposes even if there's some overlap.

I was much more interested in the comments comparing the EA50 to the Canon 60D. The question that arises, for me, is DSLR vs EA50. If one were going just for "cinematic" one might be inclined to spend just a little more and get the FS100. As someone who does corporate vide and often with horrible time constraints, the EA50 form factor looks to really help. The question is at what cost to quality, if any. More useful in that kind of decision might be comparing it to the Canon 60D using matching lenses. Is it worth the hassle of a DSLR with rig vs the ease of use and flexibility of the EA50. At least that's the questions that come to my mind for corporate use.

Craig Seeman November 21st, 2012 01:36 PM
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Interesting comparison of the EA50 vs FS100
I find this of value because it deals with the questions some may have in choosing between the more "cinematic" FS100 or the more ergonomically versatile EA50. In not a case of which is better but what you can or lose when making such a choice.

Sony NEX-EA50 vs. Sony NEX-FS100 (and the Parfocal 3x+ Zoom Challenge) - Streaming Media Producer

James Hobert November 21st, 2012 02:49 PM
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Fascinating comparison of the FS100 vs EA50. However, he mentions that the EA50 requires +9db of gain to reach the sensitivity of the FS100 which "equates it to 3 stops of exposure". I always thought that +6db is one stop so wouldn't that make it 1.5 stops less sensitive instead of 3 stops?? Forgive me, kinda new with some of this math.

For event/wedding shooting, I'm okay personally with a bit less shallow depth of field in order to have a bit more "play room". Coming from a smaller sensor cam, I think the EA50 will be plenty shallow for my particular run n' gun style so that's okay that it appears a bit less shallow than the FS100.

Obviously the FS100/700 is a great low light cam, but according to the video I posted before, that user didn't experience much noise up through an ISO of 2500, and still good even through 5000. With a starting ISO of 160, doesn't that mean he found it clean through 24db and "surprisingly pretty decent" up through 30db? Again, I may be off in my "ISO vs db" math or not understanding something completely here but that sounds good to me....even if the FS100 can match the EA50's +24db performance at just +15db.

Toss in the slow power zoom lens and I'm all confused on how this will work at an actual event/wedding when I try to push in for a close up during a dark toast or a dimly lit father-daughter dance, etc. but I guess time, and a few more reviews I hope, will tell.


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