Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Greg Jacobson · February 3rd, 2005, 05:48 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi : What he meant in the tutorial is for non 24p footage that is being converted to 24p in Vegas - he's recommending that you first render it to 24p, then worry about correcting, etc. For example, I have a DVX100A which already creates 24p footage, so no rendering would be necessary for me when working with 24p in Vegas. -->>>\

Yes, I was not clean enough in my original post.

I was converting from 60i to 24p and it looks good inside Vegas. :)

Dennis Adams · February 3rd, 2005, 08:54 PM

It's not because it's upper first, it's because it's not DV, and Vegas 5 only does pulldown removal on DV. You can downconvert HDV CineFrame 24 to DV and remove the pulldown if you wish.

///d@
Sony Media Software

Philippe Gosselin · February 3rd, 2005, 09:06 PM

Hi all,

Just upgraded from 512 ram to 1 go , dual channel and I can see a big difference on the overall performance of my computer but when I am in Vegas and want to set the preview screen to "best full" it is still jittery.

Am i setting something wrong here or this is just the way it is because the footage hasn't been rendered yet. One could wonder that with 700-750 meg of free ram the previews would look good even at full but obviously that is not the case.

Thanks for your input

Philippe

Greg Jacobson · February 3rd, 2005, 09:25 PM

I edit and output an widescreen AVI. Later I load the AVI into Vegas and output a MOV file and no matter what settings I pick I always end up with 4:3. I don't even see any "widescreen" settings. When I make a wmv I see options for both 4:3 and widscreen output.

Any advice?

Edward Troxel · February 3rd, 2005, 10:06 PM

More RAM isn't really a big aid when previewing UNLESS you RAM Render. Then the more RAM you have, the longer the smooth playback you can get.

BTW, "Best" isn't usually needed. Instead, stick with "Good". You really only need "Best" when using photos.

Boyd Ostroff · February 3rd, 2005, 10:09 PM

I haven't used Quicktime on a PC, only the Mac. But assuming that it's basically the same... Quicktime doesn't understand non-square pixels it seems. Your widescreen DV is still 720x480, but your NLE software or a 16:9 monitor knows that it has to stretch the pixels horizontally into the correct proportion.

But on a computer monitor (or any other square pixel device) Quicktime will just display 720x480 pixels. In fact, it isn't even 4:3 - that would be 640x480. AFAIK, if you want to create a widescreen Quicktime file you will need to render it in the proper aspect ratio for square pixels, and that would be 854x480. I can't tell you how to do this in Vegas, but I assume it would be somewhere in the Quicktime export options.

Dennis Vogel · February 3rd, 2005, 10:25 PM

This is a frequent occurrence. When you have trouble burning at a high speed dropping down often fixes the problem. It could also be a media problem. Some DVD blanks just don't work at higher speeds even though they are rated as such.

Good luck.

Dennis

Greg Jacobson · February 4th, 2005, 12:41 AM

Thanks, I tried puting 854/480 into my project settings as well as making sure that ratio was in the render settings and still I cannot make a widescreen MOV file.

Any ideas from anyone else?

Philippe Gosselin · February 4th, 2005, 01:00 AM

Good stuff Ed

Thanks

Rob Lohman · February 4th, 2005, 04:30 AM

Also make sure that if you have "Microsoft Search" in your services
(under administrative tools) that is disabled as well.

Rob Lohman · February 4th, 2005, 04:32 AM

Ah, that makes more sense. Heh.

Ahmet Ilhan · February 4th, 2005, 04:37 AM

I may sound naive but depending on my limited trials on vegas rpojects, if your original file is a 16:9, the pixel aspect ratio at the project properties should be 1.0926 for PAL and 0.90 for NTSC.

Rob Lohman · February 4th, 2005, 05:10 AM

Greg: the project settings should be widescreen 16:9 in PAL or
NTSC. Don't change that!

When exporting QuickTime go to custom and then video tab.
Make sure frame size is set to custom frame size and set the
vertical to normal (which will be 480 pixels for NTSC or 576 for
PAL) or a lower value (which you usually want if you want to
put it up on the web!), usually 50%.

Then use then multiply the horizontal resolution (720 for both
PAL & NTSC) with the pixel aspect ratio number in the project
settings (which is 1.2121 for NTSC and 1.4568 for PAL 16:9).

This should be either 872 (NTSC) or 1048 (PAL). If you are using
a lower resolution take the same percentage out of the horizontal
resolution as well (usually again 50%).

Make sure the pixel aspect ratio on this screen is set to 1.0

This should get you a widescreen movie.

Rob Lohman · February 4th, 2005, 05:20 AM

CPU speed is the primary thing behind the preview window speed
(if you are using DV)

Adi Head · February 4th, 2005, 10:28 AM

hi.

i have a 2:30 minute clip which i edited on vegas and rendered to a 575MB PAL DV avi file.

i want to compress this file to a video file of no more than 8MB. so that it can be more or less easily e-mailed.

what would be the compression method and/or file format which produces the best video and audio quality and that can be viewed on the standered windows media player?

thanks.

February 3rd, 2005, 09:06 PM	#438
Philippe Gosselin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal , Canada Posts: 197	preview window question Hi all, Just upgraded from 512 ram to 1 go , dual channel and I can see a big difference on the overall performance of my computer but when I am in Vegas and want to set the preview screen to "best full" it is still jittery. Am i setting something wrong here or this is just the way it is because the footage hasn't been rendered yet. One could wonder that with 700-750 meg of free ram the previews would look good even at full but obviously that is not the case. Thanks for your input Philippe __________________ Still lost in Vice city My website: www.production24fps.com/english.php

February 3rd, 2005, 09:25 PM	#439
Greg Jacobson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York Posts: 141	My 16:9 files end up 4:3 in Quicktime I edit and output an widescreen AVI. Later I load the AVI into Vegas and output a MOV file and no matter what settings I pick I always end up with 4:3. I don't even see any "widescreen" settings. When I make a wmv I see options for both 4:3 and widscreen output. Any advice?

February 3rd, 2005, 10:06 PM	#440
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	More RAM isn't really a big aid when previewing UNLESS you RAM Render. Then the more RAM you have, the longer the smooth playback you can get. BTW, "Best" isn't usually needed. Instead, stick with "Good". You really only need "Best" when using photos. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 4th, 2005, 04:30 AM	#445
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Also make sure that if you have "Microsoft Search" in your services (under administrative tools) that is disabled as well. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 4th, 2005, 04:32 AM	#446
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Ah, that makes more sense. Heh. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 3rd, 2005, 05:48 PM	#436
Greg Jacobson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York Posts: 141	<<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi : What he meant in the tutorial is for non 24p footage that is being converted to 24p in Vegas - he's recommending that you first render it to 24p, then worry about correcting, etc. For example, I have a DVX100A which already creates 24p footage, so no rendering would be necessary for me when working with 24p in Vegas. -->>>\ Yes, I was not clean enough in my original post. I was converting from 60i to 24p and it looks good inside Vegas. :)

February 3rd, 2005, 08:54 PM	#437
Dennis Adams Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 123	It's not because it's upper first, it's because it's not DV, and Vegas 5 only does pulldown removal on DV. You can downconvert HDV CineFrame 24 to DV and remove the pulldown if you wish. ///d@ Sony Media Software

February 3rd, 2005, 10:09 PM	#441
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,787	I haven't used Quicktime on a PC, only the Mac. But assuming that it's basically the same... Quicktime doesn't understand non-square pixels it seems. Your widescreen DV is still 720x480, but your NLE software or a 16:9 monitor knows that it has to stretch the pixels horizontally into the correct proportion. But on a computer monitor (or any other square pixel device) Quicktime will just display 720x480 pixels. In fact, it isn't even 4:3 - that would be 640x480. AFAIK, if you want to create a widescreen Quicktime file you will need to render it in the proper aspect ratio for square pixels, and that would be 854x480. I can't tell you how to do this in Vegas, but I assume it would be somewhere in the Quicktime export options.

February 3rd, 2005, 10:25 PM	#442
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	This is a frequent occurrence. When you have trouble burning at a high speed dropping down often fixes the problem. It could also be a media problem. Some DVD blanks just don't work at higher speeds even though they are rated as such. Good luck. Dennis

February 4th, 2005, 12:41 AM	#443
Greg Jacobson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York Posts: 141	Thanks, I tried puting 854/480 into my project settings as well as making sure that ratio was in the render settings and still I cannot make a widescreen MOV file. Any ideas from anyone else?

February 4th, 2005, 01:00 AM	#444
Philippe Gosselin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal , Canada Posts: 197	Good stuff Ed Thanks

February 4th, 2005, 04:37 AM	#447
Ahmet Ilhan Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: ANKARA / TURKEY Posts: 45	I may sound naive but depending on my limited trials on vegas rpojects, if your original file is a 16:9, the pixel aspect ratio at the project properties should be 1.0926 for PAL and 0.90 for NTSC.

February 4th, 2005, 05:10 AM	#448
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Greg: the project settings should be widescreen 16:9 in PAL or NTSC. Don't change that! When exporting QuickTime go to custom and then video tab. Make sure frame size is set to custom frame size and set the vertical to normal (which will be 480 pixels for NTSC or 576 for PAL) or a lower value (which you usually want if you want to put it up on the web!), usually 50%. Then use then multiply the horizontal resolution (720 for both PAL & NTSC) with the pixel aspect ratio number in the project settings (which is 1.2121 for NTSC and 1.4568 for PAL 16:9). This should be either 872 (NTSC) or 1048 (PAL). If you are using a lower resolution take the same percentage out of the horizontal resolution as well (usually again 50%). Make sure the pixel aspect ratio on this screen is set to 1.0 This should get you a widescreen movie. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 4th, 2005, 05:20 AM	#449
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	CPU speed is the primary thing behind the preview window speed (if you are using DV) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 4th, 2005, 10:28 AM	#450
Adi Head Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 642	video compression question hi. i have a 2:30 minute clip which i edited on vegas and rendered to a 575MB PAL DV avi file. i want to compress this file to a video file of no more than 8MB. so that it can be more or less easily e-mailed. what would be the compression method and/or file format which produces the best video and audio quality and that can be viewed on the standered windows media player? thanks.