Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Greg Jacobson · February 4th, 2005, 01:11 PM

Rob,

Thank you very much. I have made a widescreen mov file now but the only problem is that the size is DOUBLE what the orignal AVI was. The original AVI is only 500MB but the MOV file is over 1 GB !

I have the quality setting in the render tab set to 50% so I have no idea why the file size actually increases when I render to a mov.

Any ideas?

Brian Bechard · February 4th, 2005, 07:18 PM

The difference in price is obvioius, but beyond that what kind of performance can I expect from Procoder Express? Will it produce top qualtity MPEG2 files similar to it's big brother or is this simply a super watered down consumer version? I am only interested in encoding for DVD, will express suffice or do I need to sink the 500 bucks to buy the real thing?

Ian Stark · February 5th, 2005, 03:46 AM

I wonder if anyone is using Vegas for cartoon animations?

If so, would it be possible to post links to your work so I can see what is achievable? Also, I'd welcome any guidance on what other tools you use in conjunction with Vegas to produce cartoons.

I've been asked to produce some short, simple animated sequences. I know Vegas is not the ideal tool but it's a) all I have, b) what I know best and c) all I can afford! Of course I have various graphics apps, but not anything like After Effects so I'm stuck with making the most of what I have.

Any experiences to share?

Ian . . .

Edward Troxel · February 5th, 2005, 07:51 AM

There's an article in one of my newsletters that talks about turning video into something that looks like an animation.

Tony Rockliff · February 5th, 2005, 09:48 PM

Have you tried .wmv format? I haven't had the greatest of results with .wmv directly rendered in Vegas (could be pilot error) but when I frameserve out to Procoder Express the resulting .wmv looks good and e-mails well and plays fine in WMP (or on the web).

Dennis Vogel · February 5th, 2005, 10:17 PM

I think 575 MB to 8 MB is going to be difficult with any format. That's over a 70:1 compression! Could you possibly just burn the AVI to a CD as a data disk and mail it to the recipient?

Good luck.

Dennis

Tony Rockliff · February 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM

I thought the same but I recently got a 311MB file down to 3.3MB with .wmv (at 160x120). Of course if Adi wants to keep his original video full-size then your suggestion would indeed be a better way to go.

Dennis Vogel · February 5th, 2005, 10:38 PM

What bit rate did it turn out to be and what did it look like?

Good luck.

Dennis

Tony Rockliff · February 5th, 2005, 10:48 PM

Usually I do around 232 but this one was actually 116. With regard to how it looked, the client was extremely happy with it as they'd previously had someone else do it for them and weren't happy with the quality. It was a real balancing act between the various WM9 parameters, though.

As I mentioned, when I did it in Vegas it looked as bad as I'd imagined it would but for some reason in Procoder it worked and looked way better. I also did a Quicktime for them but I wasn't able to get it below 4MB and still have satisfactory quality.

Tony

Peter Jefferson · February 6th, 2005, 03:45 AM

theyre exactly the same apart from Quicktime and WMV delivery

Rob Lohman · February 6th, 2005, 04:15 AM

QuickTime like AVI are container formats. You need to select a
codec (the right one) to compress your footage with. Sounds like
you selected a not so good codec. Best one to work with is the
Sorenson codec or MPEG4. Also if filesize is important I would
definitely lower the resolution by 50% and perhaps the framerate
to 15 fps etc.

Do some experimenation with bitrates and whatnot (after you
set the correct codec!)

Brian Bechard · February 6th, 2005, 10:36 AM

So the quality of an MPEG2 for DVD authoring would be the same as one created with Procoder 2.0? This seems too good to be true.

Philippe Gosselin · February 6th, 2005, 04:12 PM

Hi all,

Anybody knows a good forum on Boris Red. Boris's conference type of forum is pretty much cr*p :)

Thanks

Phil

Fred Finn · February 6th, 2005, 06:09 PM

This was edited in vegas (special effects in After Effects though...) http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38978

Michael Wisniewski · February 6th, 2005, 09:25 PM

What is the difference between wmv and wma files? Why would I use one over the other?

Okay forget it, found the answer:

.wmv - windows media video, competes with quicktime
.wma - windows media audio, competes with .mp3

February 4th, 2005, 07:18 PM	#452
Brian Bechard Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portland, Maine Posts: 94	Procoder vs. P-coder express The difference in price is obvioius, but beyond that what kind of performance can I expect from Procoder Express? Will it produce top qualtity MPEG2 files similar to it's big brother or is this simply a super watered down consumer version? I am only interested in encoding for DVD, will express suffice or do I need to sink the 500 bucks to buy the real thing?

February 5th, 2005, 03:46 AM	#453
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Vegas for cartoon animations I wonder if anyone is using Vegas for cartoon animations? If so, would it be possible to post links to your work so I can see what is achievable? Also, I'd welcome any guidance on what other tools you use in conjunction with Vegas to produce cartoons. I've been asked to produce some short, simple animated sequences. I know Vegas is not the ideal tool but it's a) all I have, b) what I know best and c) all I can afford! Of course I have various graphics apps, but not anything like After Effects so I'm stuck with making the most of what I have. Any experiences to share? Ian . . . __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

February 5th, 2005, 07:51 AM	#454
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	There's an article in one of my newsletters that talks about turning video into something that looks like an animation. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

February 6th, 2005, 04:15 AM	#461
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	QuickTime like AVI are container formats. You need to select a codec (the right one) to compress your footage with. Sounds like you selected a not so good codec. Best one to work with is the Sorenson codec or MPEG4. Also if filesize is important I would definitely lower the resolution by 50% and perhaps the framerate to 15 fps etc. Do some experimenation with bitrates and whatnot (after you set the correct codec!) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 6th, 2005, 04:12 PM	#463
Philippe Gosselin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal , Canada Posts: 197	OT Boris Red help Hi all, Anybody knows a good forum on Boris Red. Boris's conference type of forum is pretty much cr*p :) Thanks Phil __________________ Still lost in Vice city My website: www.production24fps.com/english.php

February 4th, 2005, 01:11 PM	#451
Greg Jacobson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New York Posts: 141	Rob, Thank you very much. I have made a widescreen mov file now but the only problem is that the size is DOUBLE what the orignal AVI was. The original AVI is only 500MB but the MOV file is over 1 GB ! I have the quality setting in the render tab set to 50% so I have no idea why the file size actually increases when I render to a mov. Any ideas?

February 5th, 2005, 09:48 PM	#455
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	Have you tried .wmv format? I haven't had the greatest of results with .wmv directly rendered in Vegas (could be pilot error) but when I frameserve out to Procoder Express the resulting .wmv looks good and e-mails well and plays fine in WMP (or on the web).

February 5th, 2005, 10:17 PM	#456
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	I think 575 MB to 8 MB is going to be difficult with any format. That's over a 70:1 compression! Could you possibly just burn the AVI to a CD as a data disk and mail it to the recipient? Good luck. Dennis

February 5th, 2005, 10:27 PM	#457
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	I thought the same but I recently got a 311MB file down to 3.3MB with .wmv (at 160x120). Of course if Adi wants to keep his original video full-size then your suggestion would indeed be a better way to go.

February 5th, 2005, 10:38 PM	#458
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	What bit rate did it turn out to be and what did it look like? Good luck. Dennis

February 5th, 2005, 10:48 PM	#459
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	Usually I do around 232 but this one was actually 116. With regard to how it looked, the client was extremely happy with it as they'd previously had someone else do it for them and weren't happy with the quality. It was a real balancing act between the various WM9 parameters, though. As I mentioned, when I did it in Vegas it looked as bad as I'd imagined it would but for some reason in Procoder it worked and looked way better. I also did a Quicktime for them but I wasn't able to get it below 4MB and still have satisfactory quality. Tony

February 6th, 2005, 03:45 AM	#460
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	theyre exactly the same apart from Quicktime and WMV delivery

February 6th, 2005, 10:36 AM	#462
Brian Bechard Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portland, Maine Posts: 94	So the quality of an MPEG2 for DVD authoring would be the same as one created with Procoder 2.0? This seems too good to be true.

February 6th, 2005, 06:09 PM	#464
Fred Finn Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Jackson, WY Posts: 178	Video done in Vegas This was edited in vegas (special effects in After Effects though...) http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=38978 __________________ i am the muffin man.

February 6th, 2005, 09:25 PM	#465
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	.wmv vs .wma - What's the difference? What is the difference between wmv and wma files? Why would I use one over the other? Okay forget it, found the answer: .wmv - windows media video, competes with quicktime .wma - windows media audio, competes with .mp3