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Old November 6th, 2013, 12:37 PM   #16
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Re: CC Correct Sequence? Gamma, Gain Offset

I did this with ColorFast:

Didn't want to "brighten" it too much but you can definitely see the faces now. Of course, you could easily go further and I actually lowered the brightness on the blown out background too.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #17
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The same with Sony Color curves:
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Old November 6th, 2013, 07:18 PM   #18
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Thanks Guys

ColourFast seems like a worthwhile plugin to get !

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Old November 7th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #19
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Hi Chris, check out David McKnight's FAB NewBlue ColorFast Tutorial. Pure VooDoo.......

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Old November 8th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #20
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Thanks

Very informative but quite pricey at $129 just for a plugin I thought?

I'll have to give the trial version a run and then compare it with using Vegas only which still does a great job..it's only one ot two at most that give me the problem!!

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Old November 8th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #21
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Very informative but quite pricey at $129 just for a plugin I thought
Would you have paid $86.59? I did. How? I've signed up with New Blue and have them get me their news on OFFERS! I did this in Feb this year.

My Edit Day-Rate dictates I need swift results. I saw the ColorFast demo; had already signed up with NB, along with a mass of other 3rd party pluggers, to get in front of the offer train so when the CF offer came out - CardTime!

Plugs? It's what Vegas Pro has evolved into becoming capable of using. It wasn't always the case! Nu-uh . . . . . Consequently, not to take/make use of its 21st Century abilities is fighting with one hand tied behind your back all the time. However, I do understand. If you can get close to getting a result with Vegas then leave well alone and have more lenient delivery times go for it.

The "other" advantage of/with using 3rd Party plugs is a creative one: While I am thinking of the next scene or flow or movement, CF or any well constructed Plug will get me to it or have delivered what I want so I don't loose my train of thought or urgency with the main job of the editing process - hopefully making/creating engaging videos.

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Old November 8th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #22
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Chris, do look at the following NB Tutorials for something along the lines of your needs explained in Colorfast.

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Old November 13th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #23
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Just as a side-note, if you have access to AE, that can be used as a very advanced color correction tool as well. Check the attached image for a quick shot on my end done with native tools in a few minutes (Exposure, Levels, Curves, and Hue adjustment since the grooms face got very red after the initial curves boost).

Curves Shadow Boost -> Exposure Highlight Recovery -> Localized Subject Curves + Levels + Hue/Desat -> General Curves overall

The same procedure could be applied without running mattes as well, but you would have harsher background clipping as you wouldnt have that localized adjustment and the focus would be getting the front subjects up to par.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 02:18 PM   #24
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Justin, very nice result, but hard to build.
There Vegas + AAV ColorLab (freeware):
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Old November 15th, 2013, 04:54 AM   #25
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Juris,

Would you like to explain how you did this please. I've had mixed results with AAV ColourLab and certainly nothing as good as this. Thank you.

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Old November 15th, 2013, 06:53 AM   #26
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Hi Richard

The one secret is to invert the image so it looks negative ..the CC works far better with the image inverted.

What you do is add a Sony Invert and push the slider to max ..then add you CC or AAV Plugin and finally add a second Sony Invert pushed to maximum so the image is inverted a second time and is correct.

In that order the CC is being applied to the inverted image where it does a lot better and then the corrected image (but still inverted) is then inverted back again to normal.

I found that trick on a lady called Eugenia's Vegas site!

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Old November 15th, 2013, 10:49 AM   #27
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Hi, Richard!
There is project of Vegas Pro 12
Image from here CC Correct Sequence? Gamma, Gain Offset
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Old November 16th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #28
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Hi Chris and thank you. I'll give that a go although, for me, the Vegas adjustments can often be applied straight without inversion but this looks a useful trick to have in the bag.

My real problems come with the AAV Plug In which I seem to have more difficulty with. Which link are you referring to on this page Juris? I don't seem to be able to open your zip file either as Vegas Pro 12 can't find it..

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Old November 16th, 2013, 08:28 AM   #29
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The first piture by Chris Harding, attachment in #13, named backlight.jpg.
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Old November 23rd, 2013, 12:27 PM   #30
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Re: CC Correct Sequence? Gamma, Gain Offset

I couldn't resist having a go, more out of curiosity than of any claim to be good at it...

Both attempts done in Vegas Pro 12 using its built-in colour curves etc

First one is Colour Corrector + Colour Curves (twice) plus a mask
Second one is just plain ol' Vegas Fill Light
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