Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Tor Salomonsen · August 11th, 2003, 08:32 AM

It's better to apply the audio FXs to tracks, and then sort the events so those requiring the same treatment are on the same track. You may group them to two or threee buses - which in turn may receive some FX like reverb or something. You may also want to use graphic dynamics at the bus level to control the level and maybe compress a little (or a lot).
I always compress the track(s) that contain voice or dialogue.

Tor Salomonsen · August 11th, 2003, 08:36 AM

About books or something - see if you can download a manual for Sound Forge. that app has most of the same Audio FXs and may cover them better in writing.
You may want to have Sound Forge itself because it's a great audio editor that cooperates beautifully with Vegas.

Rob Lohman · August 11th, 2003, 08:37 AM

I usually set DCT at 10 bits as well and use VBR encoding with
0-5000-8000 (min-avg-max). My previous encode were with CCE
though. Haven't done a lot of encoding in the last year or so.

Peter Jefferson · August 11th, 2003, 09:09 AM

I have created afew hundred effects routines using Vegas effects chains.

from colour correction and white balance compensations to picture in picture animations all the way thru to pencil sketch(similar but better than the canopus sketch) , chroma warps and quite aew other funky little things like ye old film getting stuck and flipping, like when a film reel comes to an end kinda thing.... There are also Project file templates for Dlby Digital routines as well as encoding presets to suit certain lengths and qualities within DVD's

Im just curious as to how many people would find these useful, basically i would like to include paid training and online tutorials within the studio. Does anyone do this already?

BTW, th pencil sketch is ALOT better than the canopus offering!! and its not evena pencil sketch!!

Gary Bettan · August 11th, 2003, 09:54 AM

WEVA News Bulletin

Sony Buys Sonic; Giant Display Set for WEVA EXPO

Sony Pictures Digital has concluded its acquisition of Sonic Foundry, Inc., and Sony now plans to unveil a new giant, combined display of digital video production tools for professional videographers at WEVA EXPO 2003.

Vegas, Sonic Foundry's nonlinear editing program with HD, uncompressed video and 5.1 audio capabilities, will have a significant hands-on display presence at WEVA EXPO 2003, in the Sony booth.

According to Sony Electronics' Craig Yanagi, Senior Manager, Corporate Marketing, Business Solutions and Systems Company, Sony will have the largest sponsor's exhibitor booth at WEVA EXPO 2003, which will be held August 25-28, 2003
at Bally's Las Vegas (early-bird discount registration expires August 11; see www.weva.com for program and registration
information).

The Sony exhibit will feature not only hands-on Vegas workstations, but also professional video acquisition and editing solutions; DVD creation and burning products; external storage and project back-up devices such as GigaVault and
RoughCut; an extensive professional audio display; and participation from other companies such as Apple and Adobe.

Sony will also conduct special technical sessions on professional audio applications for videographers on the WEVA EXPO 2003 trade show floor.

Other technical and system-specific training seminars will be presented at WEVA EXPO 2003 by Apple, JVC, Avid, and Discreet. For the complete list of over 60 cutting-edge seminars, and exhibits for professional wedding and event videographers at the 13th Annual WEVA EXPO see www.weva.com.

Rob Lohman · August 11th, 2003, 02:03 PM

You either have or have had a Miro board installed. What this
software did was replace the Microsoft DV driver with their own.
Therefor it is being listed as their codec.

Under Options -> Preferences -> General is an option titled
'Ignore third party DV codecs' which is on by default. Try
disabling it and see if that helps.

Peter Jefferson · August 12th, 2003, 10:53 AM

ive never installed any boards mate, I havent had anything like that..

strange...

David Mintzer · August 13th, 2003, 08:20 PM

We are always interested in anything interesting--Why dont you post a .veg or two somewhere---(Sundance is a good place) and let us take a look at it and tell you what we think----

Darrell Sullivan · August 14th, 2003, 06:02 AM

I was wondering if anyone knows how much of a speed upgrade an Intel Pentium 4 2.4 ghz would be over an Athlon 1.7.

What kind of system do you need to really approach real time with Vegas if it involves rendering such as cropping, brightness adjusting, etc.

Thanks for any input.

Rob Lohman · August 14th, 2003, 06:23 AM

Are you sure you never had any miro devices? They also make
graphics boards I think. Perhaps a friend brought a device along
sometime?

Did my suggestion help you?

Edward Troxel · August 14th, 2003, 07:32 AM

You will get quicker rendering times but you will NOT get real time rendering with the effects you mentioned. To give you an idea, I have a routine project that is 1 hour long. After adding titles and other edits, the normal render time (under print to tape) is about 1 hour on a PIII 750 MHz. (But you have to note that maybe only 5 to 10 minutes of the total is affected.) That same project on my PIV 2.8 GHz laptop will render in about 15 minutes.

However, other factors are involved as well - such as hard drive speed. The laptop is 5400 while the desktop is 7200. If I go to File - Render As, they both perform about the same. This is because in all the "unchanged" sections, the desktop can copy the file much faster than the laptop due to the faster drive speed. So, it is hard to say "how much" faster you would be.

Imran Zaidi · August 14th, 2003, 07:38 AM

If you mean to compare a Pentium 2.4Ghz to an Athlon 2100 (which runs at 1.7Ghz) then the Pentium 2.4 wins, but not really by so much as to invest in an entire upgrade.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020506/p4b-10.html

If by Athlon 1.7 you actually mean 1700 which runs around 1.5Ghz, well there would be an even greater advantage with the Pentium, but again, you would be better off going after the higher numbered Pentiums to really get an obvious performance boost. If you're going to spend money, make it worthwhile!

Or, wait some more time for the AMD Opterons to become readily available. If you have the bank...

Peter Jefferson · August 14th, 2003, 10:48 AM

no unfortunately, im using a hercules Radeon Pro 128,b GFX card, but thats abotu it...

noone touches this machine theyre al too paranoid.. LOL

Gints Klimanis · August 14th, 2003, 02:54 PM

There is also a difference in the DDR memory chipsets used with the Athlon. The nVidia nForce2 chipset is one of the reaons the Athlon is keeping up with Pentium even with the former's lower clock speeds. The nVidia memory controller has a lot of logic to help increase memory bandwidth. Also, it's quite easy to overclock the AMD processor and nForce2 from the BIOS. Pretty cool.

Peter Moore · August 14th, 2003, 10:27 PM

I found another rendering bug in Vegas, this one very problematic. Sometimes during 5-channel rendering of wave files from surround sound projects, at the beginning of where an audio clip starts, one of the channels will have a pop. It seems to be totally random, and rare, but definitely more common with a larger, complex project with lots of clips.

Might this be fixed in the 4.0d update? Does anyone else know of this bug?

August 11th, 2003, 08:37 AM	#738
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I usually set DCT at 10 bits as well and use VBR encoding with 0-5000-8000 (min-avg-max). My previous encode were with CCE though. Haven't done a lot of encoding in the last year or so. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 11th, 2003, 09:09 AM	#739
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	Effects Packages Interest I have created afew hundred effects routines using Vegas effects chains. from colour correction and white balance compensations to picture in picture animations all the way thru to pencil sketch(similar but better than the canopus sketch) , chroma warps and quite aew other funky little things like ye old film getting stuck and flipping, like when a film reel comes to an end kinda thing.... There are also Project file templates for Dlby Digital routines as well as encoding presets to suit certain lengths and qualities within DVD's Im just curious as to how many people would find these useful, basically i would like to include paid training and online tutorials within the studio. Does anyone do this already? BTW, th pencil sketch is ALOT better than the canopus offering!! and its not evena pencil sketch!!

August 11th, 2003, 09:54 AM	#740
Gary Bettan Sponsor: Electronic Mailbox Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Glen Cove, NY Posts: 758	See vegas in Vegas! WEVA News Bulletin Sony Buys Sonic; Giant Display Set for WEVA EXPO Sony Pictures Digital has concluded its acquisition of Sonic Foundry, Inc., and Sony now plans to unveil a new giant, combined display of digital video production tools for professional videographers at WEVA EXPO 2003. Vegas, Sonic Foundry's nonlinear editing program with HD, uncompressed video and 5.1 audio capabilities, will have a significant hands-on display presence at WEVA EXPO 2003, in the Sony booth. According to Sony Electronics' Craig Yanagi, Senior Manager, Corporate Marketing, Business Solutions and Systems Company, Sony will have the largest sponsor's exhibitor booth at WEVA EXPO 2003, which will be held August 25-28, 2003 at Bally's Las Vegas (early-bird discount registration expires August 11; see www.weva.com for program and registration information). The Sony exhibit will feature not only hands-on Vegas workstations, but also professional video acquisition and editing solutions; DVD creation and burning products; external storage and project back-up devices such as GigaVault and RoughCut; an extensive professional audio display; and participation from other companies such as Apple and Adobe. Sony will also conduct special technical sessions on professional audio applications for videographers on the WEVA EXPO 2003 trade show floor. Other technical and system-specific training seminars will be presented at WEVA EXPO 2003 by Apple, JVC, Avid, and Discreet. For the complete list of over 60 cutting-edge seminars, and exhibits for professional wedding and event videographers at the 13th Annual WEVA EXPO see www.weva.com. __________________ Check out http://www.videoguys.com 800 323-2325 We are the video editing and live video production experts! DV InfoNet members save 5%! Use Coupon Code DVINFO5OFF

August 11th, 2003, 02:03 PM	#741
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	You either have or have had a Miro board installed. What this software did was replace the Microsoft DV driver with their own. Therefor it is being listed as their codec. Under Options -> Preferences -> General is an option titled 'Ignore third party DV codecs' which is on by default. Try disabling it and see if that helps. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 14th, 2003, 06:02 AM	#744
Darrell Sullivan Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 42	Hardware for Vegas I was wondering if anyone knows how much of a speed upgrade an Intel Pentium 4 2.4 ghz would be over an Athlon 1.7. What kind of system do you need to really approach real time with Vegas if it involves rendering such as cropping, brightness adjusting, etc. Thanks for any input.

August 11th, 2003, 08:32 AM	#736
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	It's better to apply the audio FXs to tracks, and then sort the events so those requiring the same treatment are on the same track. You may group them to two or threee buses - which in turn may receive some FX like reverb or something. You may also want to use graphic dynamics at the bus level to control the level and maybe compress a little (or a lot). I always compress the track(s) that contain voice or dialogue.

August 11th, 2003, 08:36 AM	#737
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	About books or something - see if you can download a manual for Sound Forge. that app has most of the same Audio FXs and may cover them better in writing. You may want to have Sound Forge itself because it's a great audio editor that cooperates beautifully with Vegas.

August 12th, 2003, 10:53 AM	#742
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	ive never installed any boards mate, I havent had anything like that.. strange...

August 13th, 2003, 08:20 PM	#743
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	We are always interested in anything interesting--Why dont you post a .veg or two somewhere---(Sundance is a good place) and let us take a look at it and tell you what we think----

August 14th, 2003, 06:23 AM	#745
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Are you sure you never had any miro devices? They also make graphics boards I think. Perhaps a friend brought a device along sometime? Did my suggestion help you? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 14th, 2003, 07:32 AM	#746
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You will get quicker rendering times but you will NOT get real time rendering with the effects you mentioned. To give you an idea, I have a routine project that is 1 hour long. After adding titles and other edits, the normal render time (under print to tape) is about 1 hour on a PIII 750 MHz. (But you have to note that maybe only 5 to 10 minutes of the total is affected.) That same project on my PIV 2.8 GHz laptop will render in about 15 minutes. However, other factors are involved as well - such as hard drive speed. The laptop is 5400 while the desktop is 7200. If I go to File - Render As, they both perform about the same. This is because in all the "unchanged" sections, the desktop can copy the file much faster than the laptop due to the faster drive speed. So, it is hard to say "how much" faster you would be.

August 14th, 2003, 07:38 AM	#747
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	If you mean to compare a Pentium 2.4Ghz to an Athlon 2100 (which runs at 1.7Ghz) then the Pentium 2.4 wins, but not really by so much as to invest in an entire upgrade. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20020506/p4b-10.html If by Athlon 1.7 you actually mean 1700 which runs around 1.5Ghz, well there would be an even greater advantage with the Pentium, but again, you would be better off going after the higher numbered Pentiums to really get an obvious performance boost. If you're going to spend money, make it worthwhile! Or, wait some more time for the AMD Opterons to become readily available. If you have the bank...

August 14th, 2003, 10:48 AM	#748
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	no unfortunately, im using a hercules Radeon Pro 128,b GFX card, but thats abotu it... noone touches this machine theyre al too paranoid.. LOL

August 14th, 2003, 02:54 PM	#749
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	There is also a difference in the DDR memory chipsets used with the Athlon. The nVidia nForce2 chipset is one of the reaons the Athlon is keeping up with Pentium even with the former's lower clock speeds. The nVidia memory controller has a lot of logic to help increase memory bandwidth. Also, it's quite easy to overclock the AMD processor and nForce2 from the BIOS. Pretty cool.

August 14th, 2003, 10:27 PM	#750
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Another Sound Bug I found another rendering bug in Vegas, this one very problematic. Sometimes during 5-channel rendering of wave files from surround sound projects, at the beginning of where an audio clip starts, one of the channels will have a pop. It seems to be totally random, and rare, but definitely more common with a larger, complex project with lots of clips. Might this be fixed in the 4.0d update? Does anyone else know of this bug?