In the end, I decided to export the generic EDL in Premiere, printed that out and then tried to work it out, but gave up on that because I was getting no where.

My next question is this:
As I understand it you can open the EDL in Premiere and then the program will take all the time code and every thing else, take it from the tape and then load it into the timeline.

Is this correct, if it were, how would you go about it?

Or is the EDL used for something different?

All the best,

Ed

exporting problems with premiere 6.0
 

after capturing video from my xl-1s using the firewire port on my all-in-wonder 8500dv card i attempted to export the video to my vcr via anolog rca cables on the breakout box for the all-in-wonder. a preview file was created and then when it started to play maybe half of a frame of video went up of the screen then both my monitor and tv went black but the audio played fine. i've exported some other clips i've gotten off the netand they have worked but not th dv that i've gotten from my camera. i think that it my be the settings for the video but i don't know what to change. any help would be most appreciated. thanks ahead of time

take me out of Premiere in MS-AVI?
 

This one comes from the folks still on training wheels:

We're trying to export movie from Premiere 6, MS AVI to burn to DVD using Sonic MyDVD. We tried an eight minute clip and it worked just fine, but let us try the whole 1 1/2 hours and it gets to a certain point (same point both times--near the end) and quits. No error message, just quits.

What, and how many things, are we doing wrong? And is there a way to export from Premiere in MPeg2?

We hope to "move up" soon but figure if we can't get this much right...

what's this?
 

I just read this somewhere else: From Premiere - Movie > export > settings > Mpeg2.

That option isn't available on ours--it must be hiding?

My standard procedure for MPEG2 is to output to a standard AVI(using the Mainconcept codec), then transcode to DVD(MPEG2) thru TMPGEnc. Once I have the file transcoded, I'll burn to DVD with NERO. It always works, always plays on a APEX set top player.

My guess is that you are hitting the 4 Gb file limit with FAT32.
The solution would be to use NTFS.

I was just reading about TMPGEnc on the Canopus forum yesterday; brand new to me and will require more investigation. Once we wrap our brains around all that you said, Bill, we'll see what we can do. Thank you.

As for the NTFS, I think we are using it, but will make sure. Thanks for the input.

The question is also wether Premiere is writing AVI 2.0 files
(those that can be larger than 4 GB)... Another option might
be to use TMPGEnc Premiere plugin to encode directly to
mpeg2. I myself do it anotherway around. There are very
powerful tools available to frameserve (serve a AVI file to
an application without actually writing the whole file, just
a placeholder) from applications like VirtualDUB or Avisynth
into programs like TMPGEnc or CCE (Cinema Craft Encoder).

These tools require knowledge and time to learn though. But
if you've mastered these your pipeline (and disc space) can
be much faster/lesser. They are, however, not for the faint
of heart.

Hi Rob,

Right now, that is so far over my head I can't even see it!

After everything I've read and all the trouble we've had with Premiere, we're about ready to try Vegas Video 3. You know what they say, "If you can't run with the big dogs, better stay on the porch." I think we "pups" need to grow a little, and VV sounds like a good way to cut our teeth. It's got MPeg2 encoder, which sounds good if we're trying to burn our own DVDs (?)

My biggest worry w/VV is the chromakeying aspect, but emailed Charlie White at Digital Media Net and was told that DV keying is *iffy* anyway (I've read all about the 4:1:1 problem and seen the effect first-hand). I'd be pretty upset if I went to the trouble and expense of something like DVStorm, AE Production Bundle w/matte choker, spill suppressor, etc. and STILL got ugly keying! With VV if we're not happy at least I can say it didn't cost much. Guess it'll make us try even harder on the lighting.

With all the frustrations and failures we've had trying to edit and finish, at least I can say I've done one thing right--our XL1s's are great!!!

Thanks for the insight and for reading along with my ramblings. Maybe your post will help someone who's farther along in Premiere than I am!

Lorinda

frameserving is a great thing once you've got each intermediate step down. personally, I like taking each step one at a time so I can check each intermediate result for quality.

there's also some great forums around for things like TMPGENc and VirtualDub. One good one is www.vcdhelper.com.

good luck.

Lorinda,

I can imagine that it must overwhelm you. I had that too at
first. It is very powerfull stuff though. I can do allmost anything
I want. As for matting, the better tools get better results,
especially with non-perfect footage. I think DV can be used
for matting (although I haven't tried yet). It mostly depends
on lighting. As for money, ofcourse it is better to try before
you buy and/or invest into a cheaper product. I highly doubt
that the VV mpeg2 encoder is very good. A high quality mpeg2
encoder can cost quite much because it still is a programming
"art" to make a good one. But try the VV demo before you
buy and see if you like the mpeg2 encoding.

If you want to know more about mpeg2 encoding or anything
else you know where to find me (here).

Jerky footage on playback - with P6
 

Mentioned a while back was this strange phenomenon of 'jerky' footage, even though there were no dropped frames, and no possible explanation.

After getting to know about fields (Upper fields/ lower fields/ No fields) in my post headed 'Fields (not the ones in the country)!!!' on the DV message board, Plus playing around a little bit with Premiere 6, I came across this solution:

Captured footage with normal movie mode needs to be de-interlaced to 'No fields', in order for the footage not to jerk when the camera has the slightest of moves on play back via fire wire.

To do this set the rendering settings to 'No fields' and then right click the footage go up to video options, then field settings and select de-interlace. WARNING: footage needs to be rendered!!!

This does not matter if you have captured in Movie Mode.

Hope this helps,

Ed Smith

Real Video in Premiere?
 

Is there any way to take real video and convert it to mpeg, or avi format? Or can you take real video into Adobe premiere?

Low Quality Capture on Premiere?
 

Ok, this is probably a really stupid question one way or another, but is there a way to capture lower quality footage to Premeire, make all your edits, and then recapture at a higher quality in order to save disk space? The reason I ask is because I learned NLE on Avid and just recently picked up Premeire but cant figure out if you can or not. Again, I realize this is probably a stupid question, but I appreciate the help.

Trent, it's not a stupid question at all. But let me ask you this: instead of jumping through hoops like this for multiple capture passes, why not just add a drive or two to your system?

DV is compressed at a 5:1 ratio and requires about 13gb of disk space per hour of material. You can get 40gb drives for *dirt cheap* these days, and they'll hold three hours apiece. Or, get a pair of 80gb drives for six hours of DV each. I think those are dirt-cheap also. Hope this helps,

This is very difficult or even impossible to do. Why? Well, this has
to do (primarely) with content control. Real (and also Quicktime
and Windows media) do not want you to:

a) download those files (most of the time)
b) convert them to another format.

So software for this is not available (at least not in the
commercial industry, it might be in the hack world though).

So basically you cannot convert it (to answer your question, no,
you cannot load it into Premiere)

I agree with Chris here. This approach has more advantages:

- Less wear and tear on your drives heads
- Consumer timecode can sometimes fail (if you've not striped
your tape or have other timecode gaps your second pass will
fail!!!)
- Extra backup of your source (both on tape and harddisk now)
- When you've cut your footage your immediately done

The resolution of full PAL/NTSC isn't that large either, and those
files are very manageable on a decent system....

Getting a New pc for Premiere and Avid dv 3 is it good enough????
 

HEy,
I just ordered the Gateway 700xl with these specs:

2.53 gigahertz with a new faster bus speed
1.2 gig rdram
120 gig hard drive with 8mb buffer
I also purchased a extra 120 gb western digital hd with 8 mb buffer.
128mb nvidia gforce 4600 ti
18 inch lcd monitor
soundblaster audigy with 1394
2 extra 1394 ports
4 usb2 ports
2 1.1 usb ports
winxp (will change to windows 2000 pro service pack 2)
all this was 3000
I checked dell they wanted 4500!

Is this ok for editing well. I am a film school student and need to edit without jitters and crappy output. I need clean and fast editing.
Thanks in Advance for your help

I am thinking of buying a xl1s or gl1

widescreen with Premiere
 

Hi All,

I am interested in shooting with the 16:9 guides on then takeing the video into premiere to give it a widescreen composition...but I am confussed as how to achieve the crop.

I understand that you can use a Matte or a transform...can someone walk me though that?

Personally I use After Effects for that because I can move the
footage up and down as well. In an older thread I talked about
this and someone replied with a posibility in Premiere as well.
Try to use the forum's search feature to find that thread.

Let me know if you can't find it.

Jayreilly,


When you shoot 4:3 with 16:9 guidelines then you wan't to mask of the upper and lower part of your footage.

I believe that crop (in premiere terms is wrong). Instead (if I remember this right), use the "clip" filter available in the effects window (or what it's called). There you simply chose how much to mask of (12,5 upper and 12,5 bottom for standard 16:9).

When you crop in Premiere, you basicly make your footage anamorphic -vertical or horisontal. Use this when you will output your movie to a 16:9 television set. It's like the in camera 16:9 electronic anamorphic mode. But if you want to shot anamorphic, you're better of with the in camera anamorphic, due to the convert-before-compression. In post the video is already compressed. A post production anamorphic is degrading the quality more.

When we speak about 16:9 in Adobe after effects, then, 16:9 anamorphic to 16:9 letterbox is the case. Not clip. Of course you can do the clip effect here to. But it's easier in Premiere.

I recommend you to go with clip in Premiere if you shoot 4:3 with 16:9 guide. But if you wan't to leave a "better" posibillity for 16:9 television I'd shoot in-camera anamorphic and use After effects after edit, to compress to letterbox, and also leaving a version anamorphic too.

Rob Lohman wrote that the abillity of moving fotage up and down is a good thing. Keep this in mind if you go 4:3 with 16:9 guide, as if you sometime cut someones head on the frame with a guide line, you can always re-compose this clip by moving it upp or down a little bit in After effects, as you have 12,5 % image over and 12,5 % under the 16:9 guidelines.


Hope this helps,

Good luck to you,


Regards,


Erik

Priemere 6.0 Manual
 

Does anybody know were i can get this from? I ruined mine and cannot read it, so i was wondering if you can download it from any sites. Really need help, in the middle of post!!

Thanks

inferno:

I think Amazon.com has most Adobe manuals on sale (probably around $25-$30). The only download information I could find is off the adobe website; however, it is a press material info thing.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressmaterials/pdfs/Premiere6/review.pdf

Still, feel free to ask questions about how to do things with premiere. Some people have been using it for quite some time, and that is what this forum is for!

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

thanks man, i'm still looking for the free download.

I am having the same exact problem. I have a XL1, I use Premiere, my system consists of a dual PIII 1 gig-tyan board-2 40 gig maxtor 7200 rpm-western digital firewre card. I have tried everything and I mean everything, different OS's (98 SE, Win 2k), Different Firewire cards (Western Digital, Pinnacle), Different Software (Premiere, Avid ExpressDV2). I have spent a lot of money and time trying to fix this issue. I'm not sure what to do at this point. If anyone has a clue let me know please!

Hello:

You're saying the problem occurs when you "Print to Video" using composite outputs on your card? What are your file settings when you plan to export?

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

When I print to tape using firewire every so often I get a blue screen on my XL1. This causes a jump in the video and audio. I have literally tried everything. I can't imagine that it is linked to hard drive speed because it does it when I am just sitting still on the time line. I called Canon and they hadn't heard of this issue. They suggested that my firewire card wasn't fast enough, because that's what an XL1 will do when it looses connection. Iv'e tried other 1394 cards with no luck.

Are there any gaps between the video with no video in? i.e. you wanted a black screen with no video and so left a gap?

If so put in Black video

>File>New>Black video click OK

Put this in the gap.

Hope this helps,

Ed Smith

Ed:

I may be mistaken, but what I think StormFront is referring to is he does not desire ANY gaps in video. I think what they're talking about is when they're trying to uplink the data from the computer back to the camera, there is a "stutter" - a little "glitch" - and the camera records this as a blue screen. This is referred to as a "gap" by StormFront.

StormFront, I'll see if I can figure anything out at home. Talk to you then. But from gut instinct, I think it has something to do with the computer. Is your video card set by itself on IRQ 11? This might be your problem. Check if your video card is set on the same IRQ as your firewire, or with anything else for that matter. Maybe there is a confict. I know your computer is built like a brute - but it just might be a conflict of settings not really the physical hardware. But I'll talk to you later.

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

my video card and audio card are on the same irq (16), my firewire card is on it's own (17). I origianlly thought this was the issue because my old board had some serious irq sharing going on. Everything multimedia was on irq 9. Do you know if I should use the NEC 1394 drivers or the TI? I'm gonna give the TI drivers a try. Also I have to rule out the cam being messed up because i used it to dub from one cam to another through firewire and it worked great.

I just want to let you guys know that I really appreciate all your helpfull insight. This palce is great and seems to be full of very profesional people.

Thanks again

StormFront:

Hey man. I went home and scoped out my editing system and horsed-around with the settings and such with premiere. I can't seem to figure out a fix to the problem, but I didn't get to look for too long. Reviewing over some of the other posts, it appears that there are a few other people with your trouble too. But my question is: why is it trouble for some people and not others? I can't say . . . . I still have that feeling that it is a computer situation with everyone that is having this problem; did you construct your computer yourself or did you buy it (with your specs) from a company like Dell? I'm wondering if there is something in common with all the people that it doesn't work for (other than all of you having the same problem!).

At one point last year, after editing videos to .avi's with premiere i had a problem with my computer. I noticed that after time when I played the .avi in lets say Media Player, there would be glitches. This was really frustrating because a few days/weeks before, the video ran fine. I thought it might have been my harddrive, but after defragging (I probably should have re-formatted too) the problem still lingered. I talked to some computer science/engineering type people at my university and they said that it was probably a control conflict with my settings. The editing comp. was constructed for me by Dell. But you said that you've already played with your configs. So, this might not be your problem. Hmmmmmmmmm.

I'll keep seeing what I can find. When you go to export your movie, I'm wondering if you could post your settings with the software. Maybe at work today, I can hop on a system that has premiere and see what I can figure out. But if you can post the software settings you use lately for premiere, it would be great.

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

WhenI export from premiere I usually (although I've tried most other configs and methods) just playbackl directly from the time line with the setting "playback to dv camcorder/vcr" turned on. While I edit I can see the edited output on my big TV monitor and when I scrub it reacts swiftly. It's like the camera looses the signal. I am going to give canon another call today. I'll let you know what they have to say this time.

Thanks again for all your input.

I just got off the phone with canon and they want me to send it in to be looked at. Do you all suggest I do it. I don't really want to considering so many others are having this issue (makes me think it's not my particular camera that's broken). Plus I have heard they aren't exactly lighting fast about turnarounds.

I'll be honest with ya folks I think this is a Canon problem. I hooked up a couple of different cams and my XL1 is the only one that has this issue. I'm gonna hound Canon and see if I can get some answers.

If you still have not found a copy e-mail me

aleigh@iafrica.com


Andrew

Dear Robert Hedges,

Thank you for your inquiry. We regret any difficulties the connection to
the computer may have caused.

The digital camcorder is equipped with a DV IN/OUT terminal on its body
that conforms to IEEE 1394, also referred to as Firewire. This terminal
provides digital connectivity for high speed transfer of video, stills
and audio from the digital camcorder to a DV ready computer. The
firewire cable is a separate accessory that you could use. Regrettably
we do not have any drivers for the connection or configuration of the
software or the connecting device. You will have to contact the software
vendor and the firewire provider on driver configuration issues. Our
camcorders captures images at 29.97 fps which is the NTSC standard. Some
softwares captures at 30fps which can result in synchronization issues.
Unfortunately this feature cannot be changed on the camcorder and it is
not a flaw. There are no firmware updates available.

Thank you for your interest in Canon. We look forward to assisting you
in the future.

Sincerely,

Ivy
Product Support Representative






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INQUIRY=I get a blue flash on the camera when trying to record
video from my computer. I understand that the blue screen
means the camera has lost the signal from the computer. I
have tried 3 other cameras a JVC, a Canon, a Sony. My XL1
is the only one that does this.
Is this a problem that Canon is aware of? I have contacted
tech support by phone and they said that this is an unknown
issue. I have visited several internet message boards and
there are many people having this same issue. The XL1 is a
great camera (not cheap either) and I would love to get
full use from it. If you could please help me I would
appreciate it.

StormFront:

I seem to remember a problem with Premiere and framerates that was brought up last year. There was something about Premiere sending rendered stuff at 29.9X and it was causing problems. Do a search under "29.97" and look at the topics in that list. This issue was raised (from what I recall) last october, november area. Maybe this is what you're talking about . . .

Regards,

Kyle "Doc" Mitchell

Interesting Premiere question - Video Scrolling
 

I have an idea that involves recording a scene with my vx2000 in progressive mode. Then grabbing key frames out of the clip. I then want to take these key frames and stich them together as if they were one big line, and have them scroll across the screen as the audio from the original scene plays.

I'm not sure of an efficient way to do this, obviously i could just make one humoungous image and just have premiere scroll it, but that would get somewhat cumbersome, as well as tempt premiere to crash on a whim.

Any ideas?
thanks,
jake

I think the easiest would be to load it up in After Effects. That
package has much tools for moving things around. I do think
you need to export frames first, stitch these before you can
move around on them. I'm thinking premiere can move around
pictures (never tested it myself though).

I used Premier to do just that. I had a nice full moon, and wanted some clouds blowing by. I made a really wide image, and in the motion setup made it start at one end, and let it slide by through the duration.
And Premier didn't crash!!!!
Keith