A few video effects in Premiere...
 

Hey..I'm making a lil movie with my friends. Sort of a "testing the waters" project with the XL1s. Anyhoo...I need to know how to do a few things to the video.

1. Make video roll (as if a television was malfunctioning).

2. In some old films, there's a little squiggly line that keeps going back and forth on the side of the video, how do I make this?

3. Also, in some old films, there's that black and white countdown screen (that wipes like a clock), with beeps as each number changes "4..3...2...1..."

I'm not even sure if I can do these things in Premiere. I think there might even be the "countdown" thing under quicktime transitions, but I am unable to use them because I do not have a current version of quicktime installed (and to get a new one, you have to download it directly from the internet, and can't save and transfer the setup file. The other computer, the one that I edit on, is not hooked up to the internet). I have After Effects, but am unfamiliar with it. If these things are possible in that program, please post tutorials! Thank you!

-Ryoko

I'm assuming you mean 9 minutes of video? You need to switch over to either Windows 2000 or Windows XP where you can use the NTFS file system instead of FAT32/FAT16. NTFS doesn't have any file size restrictions when it comes to video.

1) Video Roll: this is the most complicated of your requests. There are several ways I can think of doing it. You can try feeding your footage through an analog television monitor with a malfunctioned or controllable vertical blanking, and then point your camera at the TV to capture the effect. Less primitive is to accomplish the effect in After Effects. If you're unfamiliar with After Effects, this will take a bit of time to learn, as it's not as straightforward as other software packages. I don't think you'll be able to do it with Premiere's motion function, but I could be wrong. I can't post entire tutorials on After Effects here, but there are many good ones on the internet, and the textbook Creating Motion Graphics with After Effects provides thorough coverage.

2) What you're looking for here is an "Old Movie" filter effect, which is implemented in many popular software packages to varying degrees of authenticity and controllability. The Canopus DVStorm editing card has a pretty cheesy old movie filter (it simulates hairs with piecewise linear vector curves!); you can also find such filters for After Effects and Sonic Foundry's Vegas Video 3.

3) The countdown leader is a fun piece of stock footage that you will be able to find in any collection of film snippets. If you can't find some already built, get some old 8 mm films from a film school friend and use his/her 8 mm projector to project the countdown leader on a white wall in a dark room--then record the reflection using your video camera.

Effects in Premiere
 

Ok. You can definitely do the vertical roll and the universal countdown with Premiere.

For the roll, right click on your clip, then click on filters, then find the shear filter and adjust the direction and rate to achieve the roll that you want.

For the countdown, click on Project, then create, then Universal Counting leader, you can adjust the settings in here as well.

Tnx Robert, I found the dissolve transition and now i can manage fading. It was a very helpful hint, Thank you a lot

Dave

I am on Windows 2000 and I have tried this with FAT32 and NTFS formatted drives. This is something else stopping the recording.

BTW, I have a Canopus Raptor card and use an ADVC-100 box to capture video. I normally use Raptor RT video for capturing instead of Premiere for it's convenience.

Any ideas?

FAT32 has a 4GB limit which is about 18 minutes. 9 minutes is about 2GB which is the typical limit of many older programs. Look in the configuration of the capture program and see if there are any preferences specifying the maximum file length, the type of file (AVI Type 2 using OpenDML will go longer lengths on an NTFS drive), the format of the destination drive...

I would suspect the Rapter RT software (never used it so have no advice as to where to find any settings)

I can't find anything regarding this on the Raptor RT program. Does anyone else on this forum use this program for capture?

Premiere?
 

Which version/build of Premiere are you refering to? I cant find any of those options in mine, which is version 6.0. Right clicking on the clip does not bring up a FILTER item for example. However I am a bit new to PREMIERE and maybe am doing this a bit wrong. I opened an MPG clip and simply right clicked it....

Filters
 

I am using Premiere 5.1c RT. The clip should be in the timeline when you right click on it.

Did this correct itself for you?
 

Mine has been doing this on and off since the upgrade to 6.5 but I thought it was because I occassionally make changes to the gain under "Clip, Audio Options, Audio Gain"

Either way, it seems broken. Any solutions?

I still always open and close the mixer...

Thanks for your help! I was able to achieve an adequate video roll using a combination of the "Shear" and "Roll" filters, and I did exactly what Robert suggested to make the countdown, which works nicely. Now I have one problem: I can't seem to find an "old movie" filter that adds the little line on the left of the screen, or dust and scratches. The filters that I'm finding only add monochrome noise, which I could do myself, and they don't make it look very realistic.

btw, I use Premiere 6.0

-Ryoko

Line Filter
 

Try going back into the filter pallet and choosing the Quick time filter and check its pallet. I don't know what it is or does but there is something in there about a line setting.

Re: A few video effects in Premiere...
 

<<<-- Originally posted by wiredryoko : ...quicktime transitions, but I am unable to use them because I do not have a current version of quicktime installed (and to get a new one, you have to download it directly from the internet, and can't save and transfer the setup file. The other computer, the one that I edit on, is not hooked up to the internet). -->>>

Found the option to download the setup file from quicktime.com and tried out the Premiere effects. They seem....too fake, to be honest. Maybe too stark white or something, I don't know...still looking for other options. I found this page:

http://www.digieffects.com/frames/DEAW/AgedFilmTextInfo.html

I think they have a package that's pretty much exactly what I'm looking for, but it's $150, and the link for the demo download isn't working, so emailed them about that. Hopefully they'll fix the download soon, if the site's even still active at all...

-Ryoko

More Premiere effects questions
 

How do I create (I have Premiere 6 and after effects 5, but yet to install after effects 5 with Cinelook) the end of reel mark usually found on cinema reels, that 4 frame white circle in the right hand top corner that appears once at 10 seconds to end of reel (?) and then at 3 seconds is it? Is there an option for this anywhere in my software, or how would I do this manually.

Someone may have indicated this already somewhere in another thread, but how would I simulate film splices, ie the black line across 2 frames where transparent splicing tape would be? Could this be done in After Effects? And on that, how would I re-create the inevitable projector gate jump for 1 frame during the splice?

Trying to get a totally authentic look here.......

Yet to install CINELOOK and After Effects 5, but does this emulate things like film gate-weave, or this is to advanced for such a budget package?

If you want to do this (and that is a big if, i can't see many
reasons why) you will need a seperate package like cinelook
or something. Check those products and their feature lists
to see if it offers what you want. In premiere there is a (too)
simple one... Right click in your footage bin and go down the
New menu and select Universal Counting Leader. Make sure
Cue Blip on Out is selected. Click ok. This will make a short
movie counting down and in the last couple of frames there
will be a circle in the upper right corner. You might be able
to mask this one out and put it over your footage.

It might be easier to just draw something in Photoshop though
and import that with a transparent layer or something...

Just some thoughts...

Premiere question
 

I cant work out how to capture individual clips in premiere. Using movie capture I get one huge avi file with many different scenes in. I cant find a sort into clips option anywhere....

In Windows Movie maker you can break up a whole avi file into individual clips automatically which I find very useful, and it has a full quality DV setting now I have the latest update for it.

How can I get premiere to auto capture each scene in this way so I can then swap things around later, etc, and avoid using Movie Maker altogether.

Probably a very simple answer here. Sometimes these things stare you in the face but you just cant see the wood for the trees, etc

Ive never heard of premiere doing such a method. I usually record
bars inbetween my scenes and capture the whole thing. then go and slice up the footage afterwards..How does movie maker achive this? how does it recognize each scene to place them individually in the timeline? If you find
something like this in Premiere, be sure to let me know..sounds like and
effective method.

Windows Movie maker in XP detects each individual camera shot based on the timecode, once you have recorded the whole capture as one avi file, it will then break it down into each component shot, each with sound. Very very useful feature, you can then trim and crop each clip, re-arrange them on the timeline and re-save the avi file to standard DV quality.

I found it invaluable and was stunned that premiere could not work out each individual camera shot and create clips in the same way. Each clip is displayed in a collection/project window with timecode, date, time of shot, etc and you can edit away just by dragging and dropping without comlex toolbars getting in the way. I love it. Thats about all Windows Movie Maker is good for though, nothing more advanced than that....but what a feature! Most people dont like Movie Maker but for pure simplicity its a breeze to use for basic editing.

Perhaps Vegas or Studio does something along these lines, don't know.

Premiere doesn't support this feature (yet). Will probably come
in the near future. There is also a free program out called
Scenelyzer that can do this for you. You can download that
program here:

http://scenalyzer.de/scenalyzer.zip

It will scan your AVI's and break them up. I capture in Premiere
and use this little program. They also have a product for which
you must pay that does it life whilst capturing. Haven't tried/
looked at that product yet, but they do have a demo available
at www.scenalyzer.com

Good luck.

Isn't this the batch capture option in Premier?

Might be indeed... Never looked at it myself. Not sure if batch
capture will do it "automatically" though.... Good one to try though!

batch capture
 

Batch capture in premiere does not work automatically. Windows movie maker is much better at this for some reason.

It seems the best way to import lots of files and break them all up into clips for re-arranging the whole bunch at once. Very simple, except once this has been done and new .avi file made, you cannot then break it back into clips as it renders as one long file, with no timecode changes to break up the clips. What a pain....

playing clips in reverse in Premiere 6.5
 

I was wondering if anyone knows of a way to flip
a clip in the timeline so that it plays backwards.

ie: if you tape someone falling of a chair onto the ground, how can you have the clip played backwards so that the person starts on the ground and jumps up back into the chair.

I've looked around Premiere and don't see a way to do it.
Can After Effects do it?

thanx guys.

in premiere right click on the video in the timeline, and change the speed to a minus value, -100% will normal time backwards, -50% will be slowmotion backwards and so on.


kermie

COOOOOOL

I never even considered setting the speed to a negative number.

thanx alot

Very cool trick indeed. I once found that out by accident. Sometimes
it can be very interesting to play a bit with variables!

Need someone's help with Premiere!
 

Hello All!

I really need some help, I am playing around with Premiere 6.0 and am having trouble with frames dropping out while capturing from my XL1. I have the XL selected as my device to be captured, and am using all other default settings. I really don't know much about this stuff as I am new to it all (better with betacam tapes! HA!) So I could really use some troubleshooting tips. Could lack of RAM be the problem? I only have 128 mb right now as I am awaiting delivery of (2) 256 chips. My Firewire card is the CompUSA store brand model, might that be the issue? Or is there some setting I need to adjust? Thanks in advance for your suggestions!

-SL

Are you capturing to a seperate drive, if so ensure all other applications such as virus monitors etc: are dissabled and defrag your drives.
Without a little more info on your system its shooting in the dark

Peter.

I currently only have one HD in my PC it is a 40G drive with about 34G free. The drive is defraged and I am not running anti-virus software or any other programs in the background. The processor speed is 600Mhz, 128 mb of RAM, what else might you need to know? A friend of mine is running it fine with a 550 processor and 128mb of RAM which is why I don't think it is my PC, he thinks it has something to do with settings, but neither of us could figure it out? Thanks!

-SL

Sammy
Partition your hard drive, capturing video to a system drive is asking too much, you certainly could do with more Ram but I don't think its the problem.
Peter

what speed is the drive we are talking about?

5400rpm, 7200rpm?

the main problem with video systems is not raw mhz, or even proccessor speed, but with 600mhz you will struggle a lot, it is the i/o speeds.

The most likely problem is your drive simply can not write fast enough to capture at full framerate and dropping out.

sorry to say it, but seriously, if you want to edit a lot of stuff, not just occasionaly, an upgrade or new system would be in the works for you.

kermie

p.s but always make do with what you have.

I got Premiere with my Matrox card... which they bundled with Matrox Media Tools, which does the "scan and capture".

I don't know why Adobe didn't include this feature in their software... it's in very inexpensive editing programs like Ulead VideoStudio.

Perhaps it will be in an upcoming release...

i think my HD is 7200, but I am not sure. How can I check? Also, how do I add a partition to my HD? So, you all seem to think it is NOT a settings problem but rather an equipment issue?
Thanks!
-SL

Chances are it's probably HD related.

Just one suggestion that might help. One time it wasn't the HD for me.
When I capped footage I used to have the DV cam connected to both the computer and TV. So i could watch the footage on a big screen as i was capping it.

Well i started to drop frames like crazy one time and I checked everything. It turns out it was having the TV connected while capping that was the problem. I capped footage before with the TV in the loop with no problem but all of a sudden it didn't like it. So now I cap without the TV. Has anybody else ever had this problem??

Have you capped succesfully before??
If not then it's probably some setting related to your HD. Hard to say what to check because there is so much. Partitioning your HD won't really help much IMO because it's still the same drive cut into 2 pieces.

You could try a scandisk to make sure the disk is in good shape.

OK, I check my documentation and found out the my HD is 7200rpm. I have never able to successfully capture video without this problem. I am not feeding out to a monitor, so that's not the problem. Scandisk said there are no errors (both quick scan and surface scan). I am really at a loss here. Does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks!
-SL

what version of Windows are you running.

I could suggest a couple things if you are running WIn2000

Hey guys,

Thanks SO much for all of your help, input, and suggestions, but believe it or not, I discovered the answer to my dilemma! You know its amazing what you can find when you actually do some research on a problem! HA! The Adobe web site suggested that I activate DMA on my IDE chain. That has seemed to work so far, captured almost an hour's worth of video without 1 dropped frame! woo! hoo! I have to admit Adobe's web site suprised me, their online support pages are very good. I think that is the first time I have actually went to a company's web site for help, and they had a solution that actually worked! Regardless thanks again for the help! I am sure I will have more problems\questions in the near future!

-SL