help with premiere editing
 

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to this, so please pardon my ignorance. I have some footage (shot on a DVX-100) from a South Asian Multimedia night I organized a few months back - I'm using this as material for my first premiere project (I basically am trying to make a memento for everyone involved). I'm capturing using (and hoping to edit with) premiere 6.0 Pro and want to add effects with AE 5.0 Pro (I'm using Cinelook Film Damage to simulate more of an old, damaged film look) and also stylish titles (I'm using Shine to tweak out my titles) for each of the artists. I will also be scanning in some flier art and then zooming and panning using AE for the beginning segment. Anyway, I'm hoping to get some feedback on the sequence I should be using. As of now, I'm taking the captured AVI, opening it in After Effects, applying the effects, and then rendering a quicktime movie using the sorenson 3 codec. I was hoping to string these together using premiere and then render a final movie of around 30 minutes on my PC based system (P3 1.3 GHZ, 640 MB RAM) to burn onto DVD...

One, I don't know if there is a more efficient codec I should be using - I want this to be as nice looking as I can (this is practice for a documentary I would like to produce and potentially show at film festivals). Two, the files are really large, right now I'm taking a 5 minute AVI file which is 1.3 GB and trying to encode it. Beyond the fact that it is taking 7 hours, I think the file is going to be around 3 GB. That's so large that I don't think I'm going to be able to preview it in a fluid enough manner to be able to edit it smoothly. I don't know if I can tweak my settings in a way that files of this size can be previewed in realtime, without stuttering? Should I be breaking it down into smaller segments, or using a completely different approach or sequence altogether?

Great, thanks for any words of wisdom!

khenu

Audio "pop" when exporting
 

I just finished a tiny Premiere Pro project (30 sec. long) recently, but I'm having problems exporting it. When I export the movie to my computer, the exported file always has little "pops" that show up in the audio. At first I thought this was due to too high of a gain value, but then I noticed that there were no audio problems at all when the project just played in the Premiere Pro timeline. I even tried exporting the project to my DV camera, and the audio was just fine. I only seem to get this problem when exporting a file straight to my computer...does anyone know why? And is there anything I can do about it? I would like to encode my clips so I can put them online, but this audio problem is getting in the way. Thanks for your help.

Premiere 6.5 exporting question
 

Hello all I have been trying to export my footage from Premiere 6.5 so I can burn onto DVD. It seems I'm doing something wrong, I have burnt one before and it worked perfectly.

These are my steps....
Export Timeline - Adobe MPEG Encoder - Advanced ticked, PAL ticked, MPEG2, 720x576, Frame rate 25.000, ratio 4.3. I use a Canon MV530i, it looks perfect when I capture the film on computer until I encode it.

The film seems grainy I can see tiny lines through it when something moves, it seems a little fast as well.

Can I manage to export a better copy? Thanks for your time in advance

Kylie

Premiere Pro full screen option?
 

Is it possible to view a clip full screen in premiere pro without an external monitor.

I initially started learning NLE on windows movie maker in which you just hit Alt+Enter to view full screen.

But now that I've got Premiere Pro I can't seem to find a way to do this. I've looked thru the help system alot but can't find anything. Please help.

Thank you.

All quality encoders offer presets and the opportunity to tweak them. I use the Main Concept encoder in 6.5 (version 1.3b) and edit the presets to my specifications, which include variable bit rate at 6000-4000-1500. You may have to set the max higher in action footage, fast pans and the like. "Home-made" DVD will not match your Hollywood rentals because you don't have big dollars to throw at expert hands-on compression, not to mention the production values that go into the source material and the extruded disks made from a glass master rather than a laser burn. I sometimes wonder why we want to leave VHS behind. Compared to making DVDs nothing could be simpler, cheaper or more reliable. If most of us were making media with multiple language tracks, sub-titles, director's commentary and so on we'd at least be getting something for the extra work and expense, but two years into it I'm thinking it's a ton of hassle for a play button on a pretty background. Not that I'm going to stop...

David Hurdon

Hi Chris,

Audio pop is quite common in NLE applications, however some handle it better than others. In some situations you will not hear it as much. It also depends on the microphone you recorded with, the sample rate of your audio, and the speakers you are listening through.

This sort of thing can also be heard when cutting from one camera to the next which has loud/ quiet "noise", causing a 1 frame pop on the cut.

Could you post the problem clip on-line?
Can you describe where it happens in your 30 sec video?

Also try this: Import the adobe test tone, and see whether it happens with that, also try cutting a chunk from the audio and then put the two sections together, export. Do you get the same thing?

Let us know how you get on,

Thanks,

Ed

Khenu,

I am a little bit confused. Are you using Premiere 6 or Premiere Pro (V7)?

The sorenson QT codec is the best around for quick time. However you might want to export that movie from AE as an uncompressed AVI file or a DV-compresed AVI, Premiere might be able to handle it better on a PC platform.

5 minutes should not take 7 hours to convert into an Mpeg file, and should only be a couple of 100MB if that. Can you please advise what settings and codec you are using for this?

Your computer should be able to handle Mpeg conversion etc if it is maintained correctly.

Thanks,

Ed

The thing is viewing a full screen video clip on your computer monitor, is not good for a number of reasons:

1: video clip resolution is 720x576 (720x480 - NTSC). therefore viewing it at a resolution that is higher than this will distort the image - i.e. not look as good.

2: viewing at such a high resolution, takes up more resources on the computer which it might need to perform edits and complex effects.

I do not know if Pro is able to do this since I don't own it (yet). generally speaking this could be the answer why.

All the best,

Ed

There is no full screen option. You can export the project to Microsoft DV, play it Windows Media Player, then make it full screen, but you cannot do this within PP.

Ed,

Thanks for a reply. I am capturing using premiere 6.0, I was mistaken, it is not "pro." I am importing that AVI into AE 5.0, which is the "production" version. I add the cinelook filmdamage and titles and then I export a quicktime file using the sorenson 3 video codec. I am exporting at 720 x 480 resolution, using millions of colors (best), 44.1 KHz 16 bit stereo sound. Using these settings a 6 minute video capture turns from a 260 MB AVI into a 2.6 GB quicktime file? I'm so new at this, so I don't know if there is other information that would be helpful? Ultimately I want to string these quicktime files together in Premiere and add transitions there... Great, thanks so much for any thoughts on any of this - the codecs, the workflow, etc!

Khenu

Thanks so much for your reply! I had almost given up all hope...

Well, I decided that the best way to describe this problem would be to actually let you see (hear?) it for yourself. I encoded the video from Premiere Pro as Microsoft DV AVI. Then I encoded the file (using Windows Media Encoder) into a streaming Windows Media 9 file. Here it is:

http://static.zed.cbc.ca/users/c/Cyi...ident_Ad-1.wmv

You can hear a "pop" right when Barenson (fake name) says "ALL my life..." and a few seconds later when he says "...the AVERAGE voter...". These pops are not audible when played in the Premiere Pro timeline or when exported to tape.

Any information you can offer on WHY those pops are showing up would be much appreciated. Thanks for your help. Oh, and please don't judge the video too harshly, lol.

hi Khenu,

Is there a reason for using quicktime when you export from AE?

If editing on a PC you should stay with native DV i.e. an AVI format that uses a DV codec. This should be found in the export settings under codec. This also means that you are keeping with 1 format during the post production process.

Using AVI should also speed up the process in premiere when creating an MPEG file for DVD.

To recap:

1 Import your captured AVI file into AE
2 Create your effects etc in AE
3 Export the clip back out as an AVI file using a DV codec
4 Import the files into Premiere
5 Add transitions etc
6 Export as MPEG for DVD

This should also mean that when you edit in Premiere, you will get more real-time capabilities.

You might also want to upgrade premiere to v 6.02 or 6.5

I hope this helps,

Ed

hi Chris,

Thanks for posting the clip, it was good, it kept me entertained for 30 secs.

I too also heard the pop in the same places you say. but cannot pin point down.

Could you try to Import the adobe test tone, and see whether it happens with that, also try cutting a chunk from the audio and then put the two sections together, export. Do you get the same results?

Here is a useful link that could explain why you hear audio pop.

http://www.mindspring.com/~cityzoo/m...ng/noise4.html

Thanks, let us know how you get on.

Cheers,

Ed

Kylie,

Where were you viewing the DVD you created. On your PC or set top DVD player?

I have seen something similar to the speeding up thing. This was pinpointed to a slow PC and the software DVD player they were using. When played in a settop player it all was OK.

Hope this might help,

Ed

Premier pro.....Premier, slow?
 

I just got Premier Pro today and was very excited when it finally arrived. I was even more excited when I opened it and saw lots of new stuff to learn! But when I started playing with it, it became not so exciting when I found frames skipping, real-time rendering slowing down, and it just not performing like 6.5....

You might be thinking, wellll, what are you running? I'm not running the fastest setup right now, but it is FAR beyond what premier 6.5 required.

2.4 ghz P4
1 gig of DDR ram
240 gigs of 72,000 RPM storage space
dual 300 mhz Nvidia card, 64 mb

Don't tell me I need to upgrade, this should be sufficient, yeah?!

P.S. I did try to change the quality settings on the RT rendering, and I tried Draft and Auto and it still didn't speed things up...The only other thing I can think of is that I imported a Premier 6.5 project into Premier Pro and had it converted....But, would that do it? I'll try some stuff then come back, but answers appreciated as always.

Ed, thanks for the compliment and additional help. I think I finally found the source of the problem.

In Barenson's "speech" scene, the sound had some audible background noise (a constant low buzz) and I decided to run the audio through Cool Edit (now known as Adobe Audition) to clean up the noise. I then took this edited audio file and replaced the original audio with it.

I tried exporting the clip again with the ORIGINAL audio file, instead of the edited one, and lo and behold, the pops were gone!

However, this makes me wonder: Does anyone use audio tools to clean up their video sound? If so, what tools and what processes? And when cleaning up your audio, how do you avoid the problem that I ran into (converting sample rates maybe)? Thanks for your help.

Changing sample rates can cause pops. Some programs don't do a very good job at it. You usually shouldn't have to change sample rates though- everything should be 48khz to begin with. Maybe you used some mp3s or CD sound.

Sometimes you have to clean up sound because it wasn't recorded that well. Cool Edit Pro seems to be pretty good at cleaning up sound. The BBC has an online course/tutorial (FREE) on how they use Cool Edit Pro. http://www.bbctraining.co.uk/onlineCourses.asp Check it out!

Corey,
I can tell you that it does eat up quite a bit more cpu cycles than 6.5 but I think your right, you should have plenty of pc to use it with no problem. I can't find my box. What does Adobe recommend as far as processor and ram? I am only using a 1.83Mhz AMD processor w/ 512 DDR ram and I can tell alot of difference from 6.5.

Ed,

Thanks so much again. As far as why I've been using quicktime -you know, at first I had been trying to output AVI without codec (i believe the default is no compression), when I didn't have enough knowledge to realize what a codec even was. When I tried to play the files in windows media they didn't play in a smooth way, so I chose quicktime and the files seemed smaller and smoother. I just rendered an AVI file with the microsoft DV codec, and it was still larger (186 MG versus 146 MB) than the quicktime with sorenson 3 codec. When I watched it in fullscreen (the avi on windows media versus the quicktime on the quicktime player), the AVI was of much lower quality and had all sorts of pixelated jaggies that the quicktime file doesn't have? I am basically trying to get a quality that would look good on DVD and that could potentially be screened at a small independent film festival (for example a South Asian Film Festival). This is just a warmup project, but in the following couple of years I'm hoping to do a documentary on the partiition between India and Pakistan, and the impact of this experience on the collective psyche of those nations and that region. Anyway, is there a specific AVI codec that you recommend, the options I have are:

microsoft dv, cinepak codec, microsoft windows media 9, intel IYUV, intel indeo (R) video R3.2, microsoft video 1, microsoft RLE, no compression, intel 4:2:0 video 2.5, microsoft h 263 and microsoft h 261

on quicktime there a ton of codecs there as well, i don't know if one would better suit my purpose than another. is there a disadvantage to quicktime? the files seem to be large, but smaller than what i've gotten so far with the AVI. but i don't know how the quality compares beyond these preliminary experiences. you know, as i type this, i am wondering whether i had my settings at best quality and full resolution when i rendered the AVI using the microsoft DV codec. if not, that might explain the jaggies, but if so, the new file with best settings would be that much larger as well i believe.

great, thanks so much for any words of wisdom!

khenu

Hi Ed,

Just wanted to confirm that I was in fact using the best settings, the results just didn't seem as nice as with quicktime with regards to jaggies and such, at least with the microsoft DV codec. I don't know if the other AVI codecs I mentioned might be better, if this is some flaw of windows media player (as I am comparing it to the quicktime files being shown in the quicktime player), and if there are other advantages to AVI versus quicktime... Thanks!

Khenu

I have Premiere Pro with a 2.66 p4, 128MB Radeon 9700 and 1GB ram with a 129GB 8meg cache hdd. I have no problems running it although I have had problems with After Effects but a format took care of that. Might not be the answer you're looking for but its just an option ;)

I'm on a 1.8 GHZ P4, 768 MB of RAM, 120 GB HD(8 MB Cache, 7200 RPM) and an NVIDIA 64 MB RIVA. A quick change of the video rendering codec totally fixed the skipping frames. I had it on Intel 5.01, switched it to Microsoft Video 1, and don't have anymore problems.

Khenu,

How were you comparing the two fromats? were they at the resolution of your monitor or the resolution of the clip? you will notice jaggies and the such when viewing at a bigger resolution than the video clip size. You should really be comparing them on a TV monitor. Any way...

Becuase you are editing on a PC it natively uses AVI. If you were editing on a mac then Quick time would be more suited. Another reason is that you will not have to render as much when using a DV Avi in premiere compared to using a quick time file.

The microsoft codec is known to have a few problems and not be as good as what it could be. However most people find that it gives them acceptable quality.

Another reason why it might be more grainy is if you have applied any colour corrections to the clip.

Is there anyway that you could post a picture or a small clip to show the problem?

Thanks,

Ed

Hi Chris,

Nice to hear that you sorted the problem. I currently do not do any post work on audio, however when the need arises i.m sure I will.

Cheers,

Ed

How do I go about changing that?

Thanks.

They reccomend a 3.06 ghz, but I really don't think that extra 700 mhz is the difference between skipping frames.

Thanks for your help guys! We had our Mock Elections voting today, so I'm hoping that Gabe...er..."John Allen Barenson" ends up winning. Anyways, here's a link to the finished version with the fixed audio: http://zed.cbc.ca/go.ZeD?CONTENT_ID=...nt&user=Cyi101


By the way, if you guys are looking for a free site to host your movies, check out the site I used above, http://zed.cbc.ca/. They offer 200 megs of space, and unlimited bandwidth (really fast too). And they say that if your content is good enough, they'll air it on their Candian television program, lol.

Maybe a long shot, but when is the last time you defrag-ed your hard drive?

Also check out:

http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@@.1de9c1bf

Did you try searching at Microsoft's Support site?

how to follow the "edit line marker" in timeline (in Adobe Premiere)?
 

hello,
my question is for Adobe Premiere users.
When I play my project, the Edit Line Marker plays along the clip (in the timeline). When it reaches far right, it dissapears out of the timline (but the video keeps playing). how do I let Premiere follow the Edit Line? it's annoying not seeing where the Edit Line is at while playing.

I think you needed to hold down the space bar in previous
versions of Premiere?

Viewing the edit line while playing
 

The only way I know how to do this is to zoom out the time line until you can see the entire project length at once and then you can see the edit line anywhere as it plays.

Rob,
I have Premiere 6.5, and I tried holding the space bar. doesn't work (the clip keeps play/pause/play/pause).

James,
yeah i know. but sometimes I need to zoom in all the way, to monitor the waves (for audio).
the best way to do it now (while zoomed in) is to follow the edit line by moving the scroll at the bottom. the down side about it is that you can't do anything else with the mouse while scrolling.

As far as I am aware of this cannot be done.

The only way that I can get something similar is if I keep my finger on the 'right' navigation key on the keyboard (frame right). This go's slightly slower than realtime.

all the best,

Ed

Don't fade, my pretty thread!! Please, how do I change the render codec???

yeah, with no luck.... I finnaly resorted to using the standalone version of WM9 encoder instead of exporting it from Premiere...

Thanks

Corey -

I see the light at the end of the tunnel........... j/k

Found this on the Adobe site, let us know if it solves your problem?

Video for Windows Compressors
To view Video for Windows compressors, you must first choose Video for Windows from the Editing Mode pop-up menu in the General Project Settings dialog box, or from the File Type pop-up menu in the General Export Movie Settings dialog box. To view the Microsoft DV (NTSC) or Microsoft DV (PAL) compressors, choose DV Playback from the File Type pop-up menu in the General Export Movie Settings dialog box.


Most Video for Windows compressors are better suited for multimedia than for broadcast video (with the exception of Microsoft DV [NTSC] and Microsoft DV [PAL]). The following software compressors are included with Video for Windows.


Cinepak
See "Cinepak" in the QuickTime Compressors section of this document for a complete description.


Intel Indeo 5.10
This codec is useful for video distributed over the Internet for computers with MMX or Pentium II processors. Intel Indeo 5.10 includes features such as a quick compression option, flexible keyframe control, chroma keying (transparency), playback effects, and on-the-fly cropping that reduces data load. This codec also employs a progressive download feature that adapts to different network bandwidths. Full use of these features requires utility software from Intel. The codec is designed to work together with the Intel Audio Software codec.


Intel Indeo Video R3.2
This codec is useful for compressing 24-bit video for playback from CD-ROMs. This codec attains higher compression ratios, better image quality, and faster playback than the Microsoft Video 1 codec. For best results, use the Indeo Video codec on raw source data that hasn't been previously compressed with a highly lossy codec. When used with a data rate for playback, this codec produces movies that are comparable in quality to those compressed with the Cinepak codec.


JPEG
JPEG, which uses the Joint Photographic Experts Group algorithm for image compression, is an international standard for compressing still images. The software-based JPEG compressor is normally used where quality must be maintained rather than real-time playback. When using JPEG, compression ratios are dependent on image content, but can range from 5:1 to 100:1. You can normally expect a compression ratio of 10:1. Ideal picture quality comes from compression ratios between 10:1 and 20:1.


Microsoft DV (NTSC) and Microsoft DV (PAL)
Microsoft's DV (NTSC) and DV (PAL) codecs are used to compress video transferred to and from a DV camera and an OHCI device on computers running Windows 98SE and later. Microsoft DV (NTSC) and Microsoft DV (PAL) have a fixed data rate (3.6 MB/second) and frame size (720 x 480). Microsoft DV (NTSC) is used with DV cameras manufactured in North America and Japan; Microsoft DV (PAL) is used with DV cameras manufactured in Europe.


Microsoft RLE
This codec is useful for compressing frames that contain large areas of flat color, such as cartoon-style animation. This codec uses a spatial 8-bit run-length encoding (RLE) compressor and is lossless at the 100% quality setting.


Microsoft Video 1
This lossy, spatial codec is useful for compressing analog video. It supports pixel depths of 8 or 16 bits.

Audio problem wiht P.P.
 

OK I just got P.P. last week and I am just trying to learn everything. I just made like a little snowboard video just to see what I could do. After I exported into an avi file and watch it, when someone likes grinds a rail or falls or something the audio gets like statickey or something?? I no its something I am doing wrong, any suggestions?? One other thing, this is a stupid question probably but how do I compress the footage to email it to someone ??

Thanks, but no that does not really answer my question...I'm not having a problem with rendering my final video, I'm having trouble with the real-time processing...It's going slow and it didn't go slow before, and I'm wondering if this is because my hardware is outdated (Shouldn't be, look above), or something isn't set right...Thanks again.

my length response was to your "How do I go about changing that?" question.

Open the Task Manager (right-click the toolbar) and then click on the Performance tab. Try to render, what sort of CPU/memory usage are you seeing?

Then check this out:
Slow running machine using Adobe Premiere 7.0
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@197.4r4YbrowEDe.1@.2cce3b3e

If that still doesn't answer your question, roam around the Adode User Forum for Premiere Pro and you'll find it.
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@@.1de9c1bf

.m2t and Premiere 6.5
 

Aloha,

I just downloaded an .m2t from this site. Changed the file extension to .mpg and imported it into Adobe Premiere 6.5 on Windows 2kpro and put it right on the timeline with no problems. I didn't think this would work? Are the .m2t files people have uploaded (Paul Mogg GGBridge) not really transport stream?