Rendering, keeping quality and compression question...
 

Hi folks,
I've been cutting in Premiere, rendering the footage, then putting on effects in After Effects where I will do the final render from. Obviously I want to keep the best quality possible. So, when I'm rendering from Premiere should I select 'No Compression' to keep the original quality or does that change the format of the footage (as it came in as dv footage). Or should I be selecting 'Microsoft DV' (the only dv related compression I seem to have)?

TIA,
Jay.

Ok everyone....so, HOW is Premiere Pro?
 

Well it's out- and I'm sure at least a few of you have picked it up. I'm interested in what your opinions are about it. The good the bad, how it stacks up against other NLE's like Vegas 4, etc.

PS Is 6.0 "upgradable" to Premiere Pro, in other words if I were to pick up a copy of the Update will it work or is it strictly a 6.5 update?

The fact that is does not yet support 24p is what is keeping me from using it much at all. Then again, I haven't shot much footage lately....I will tomorrow:)

I got it this past monday and been playing with it. There are lots of new cool stuff and real time playback of effects is nice. I love the way everything is intergrated between after effects, photoshop, encore and premiere. You can pull previous version of adobe projects into pro but I had a few problems like sound not working properly or certain effects not working. So best thing to do is finish whatever old project you have in the old premiere and start new on Pro. All shortkeys are customizable. Most windows and tools can be customized to your hearts content.
The new color correction tools are pretty cool. Also I use the Shuttle Xpress and in old premiere when turn the jog wheel it stutters along instead of quickly moving. In Pro that has been fixed and I love it. Nested tracks is another amazing thing in Pro, no more virtual clips which I never used. No more a/b editing and I am getting use to single track editing and it is not hard.

A few things that I do miss is the way the story board is handled. Creating a new bin allows you to treat it like a storyboard and it handles in the same way as previous storyboard but when you are editing a large clip and grabbing different sections of the clip onto storyboard, the tumbnail is the original head of source clip for every clip you drag into storyboard. Then you have to manually click on each clip and play it to give it a different tumbnail which I think is extra work.

Another thing I miss is my one of favorite effects that I grabbed from photoshop 5 called diffuse glow. It doesn't work properly with Pro. Also Pro only works with XP.

I've played with Vegas Video and Adobe has caught up with, and surpassed what Vegas can do. I got the video package so encore, after effects, premiere pro and audition gives me most of the tools to get the job done. I love it.

BJ- Coud you tell me more about the diffuse glow? Did you use it in Premiere 6?

how is the slow motion? in 6.0 and 6.5 the slow motion was horrible.

Yes, if you have a copy of photoshop 5 or less, go to the plugins folder and copy the file called diffused glow and copy into premieres plugin folder. When you open up premiere it will be in the distort section of the effects folder. It gives clips with light a nice effect.

Slow motion looks better now because it is using frame blending similar to After Effects. But I think after effect does better slow motion overall so I import the clips I want slowed down in AE. They didn't give Pro a slow motion envelope, you still have to cut the clip if you want to change speed in a clip.

From the sounds of it Adobe really has cleaned up their act with Premiere. Beings it's an entirely new program not just 6.5 re-written with some changes works to it's advantage. It's really hard to make any hard judgements on it beings I have yet to use it myself but from the sound of it, it doesn't sound like it "surpassed" Vegas. Maybe caught up with. All those things with the exclusion of nested timelines (which sound very sweet) Vegas 4 already does. Plus Vegas supports 24p, HD, and has a glow filter that works (lol). Not to mention Vegas has compositing support- you need AE for that is using Premiere Pro.

Does anyone know if it can be upgraded to from 6.0?

Is it stable?

Losing rendered portions of timeline
 

Hi,

When I mute an Audio Track it immediately removes the rendering and I have to start again. It take 4 hours to render the entire project.

What has changed? Certainly nothing on my side. Is there another setting to change?

Thanks
Andrew

Andrew,

A bit more information needed

I take it you are using Premiere, What version??

How many layers are you rendering?

I've tried it on P6.5 with a project which has 4 video layers and 4 audio. All which needed rendering. When I muted an audio track or all audio tracks I did not need to re-render!!!

What are your settings in keyframe and rendering options?

What is your processor and how much RAM do you mave?

How much space is left on your HD?

I take it this has not happened before?

All the best,

Ed

Preview Problem in Premiere 6.5
 

I've just added Premiere 6.5 to the Adobe folder, nestled up to 6.02. When I first ran it with an imported project the real time preview worked and video in source and monitor windows played properly. When I shut down to connect my VX2000 and set up device control everything played out to the camera/vcr perfectly but the monitor and source windows show a slideshow like preview while the camera/vcr view is perfect. Strangely, Alt-scrubbing plays perfectly all around. I tried a bunch of setting changes including disabling hardware acceleration to no effect. Must I disconnect the camera to get proper performance in preview? Is it something else I'm missing?

David Hurdon

Premiere Pro users get free MAGIC BULLET!!
 

Yeap. If you register the product at www.adobe.com/register you are entitled to a complimentary download of MAGIC BULLET. This includes the 24p import/export feature which works hand in hand with the Panasonic Dvx100...but Im wondering if anyone knows more about this. Is this how Premiere is going to solve the 24p problem?

Hi Ed,

Thanks for the reply.

a) Premiere 6.0 with a DVRaptor Card

b) 4 Video and 4 Audio

c) All boxes in Keyframe and Rendering are unchecked but for Optimise Stills which is checked. It is set to Lower Field First and Preview from Disk.

d) It is a PIII @ 733MHz with 512M of Ram (it does not seem long ago that this was a "Hot Ship").

e) I use two Hardrives for Video (apart from my System Drive which is a 20Gig).

The First drive is a 40 gig 7200 Rpm WD which has all the project settings, preview files etc on it as well as some of the raw footage. The preview files are close to 9gig and this drive still has 3,7gig free.

The second drive is identical and has only raw footage and has 6,1gig free.

After this project I am replacing on of the 40gig's with a 180gig as space is a problem.

This has happened before but I thought it was something stupid I had done i.e. a keystroke. I can now duplicate the problem.

Lastly it is normal for me to be able to mute and unmute without having to re-render.

Cheers
Andrew

Wierd Audio Problems In Premiere 6.5
 

I do all my projects on an external hd so I can move between my computer and my friends computer. I finished a video and took the drive and went over to my friends house. When we got there we opened the premiere file and everything was there and perfect. We tried to output it to tape and at random points in the video (like in the middle of clips) the audio will slow down, like slow motion audio. Then after awile (again its random) it will return to normal. This was not the case on my computer. It seems to corolate to a greenish line at the top of the timeline (its right under the line that dictates how much of your project you want to render) Now were both using Windows XP (his is pro mine is home) and we both have Premiere 6.5 and all the project settings should be the same because the project settings are saved. If anyone could help me with this it would be great and HAPPY EARLY LABOR DAY to all you guys :)

Brian

This is a bug in Premier with certain sound drivers, I think. The solution is to re-render the whole thing to an AVI file, and then output to tape from the AVI file. It should be fine then.

Autoscale Stills in Premiere Pro?
 

Hi,

Tried to make a Slideshow in the brand new Premiere Pro.... but I can't find any option like "scale imported media to fit"...

So when I import pictures ( some vertically and some horizontally ) I have to manually adjust the SCALE parameter picture by picture...is that the only way?

In Vegas 4, all pics are scaled to DVD PAL ( if I have set the program to autoscale )

Have I missed something? The manual is rather terse about importing/scaling ( they only mention that you'll loose quality if you zoom too much... )

// Lazze

Actually, it's not Magic Bullet. From the Adobe site (http://www.adobe.com/special/premiere/redgiant_descrip.html):

Movie Looks transforms your video using cinematic tints and glows with simple-to-apply presets. Movie Looks is a direct descendant of the award-winning Magic Bullet Suite from The Orphanage™, featured in the popular Hollywood films such as "Vanilla Sky" to music videos such as Cher’s "A Song For The Lonely."

Applies a cinematic look with a single click

Provides ten presets based on scenes from television programs and popular movies

Optimized for Intel® Pentium® 4 and Pentium 4 Xeon multiprocessor systems

Transforms clips with floating-point precision

Upgradable to a total of 50 Looks presets with the Movie Looks Library


So its just the Look Suite portion of Magic Bullet, not the deinterlacing part. And only a subset of looks at that. Not bad for free, but certainly not Magic Bullet.

JP

aw damn, i knew it was too good to be true.....

Thanks, Do you know if this bug is fixed in Premiere Pro?

Brian

Hi Andy,

Thanks for the detailed reply.

It might be worth upgrading Premiere to 6.02 or other wwise buy Premiere Pro or 6.5.

Your machine is a bit slow now, how ever that does not look like the problem, Unless its casheing into the memory.

HD space does not seem to be the problem.

There should not be a problem with audio muteing affecting video tracks (you might need to render audio), however if you mute a video track you will have to re-render.

It might be worth reseting to default. As you open up Premiere press I think Ctrl+Shift. This will reset everything in Premiere.

Don't know, but they said Premier Pro is built from the ground up, so I would certainly hope so!

XL1 frame mode and premiere
 

I'm editing a project that was shot in frame mode on a canon xl1.The video looks perfect untill I add an effect or add a title, then the colors are slighted muted and it's a little jagged and blury. If I export a video file straight from premiere, it looks fine, but if I export it from after effects, it has the same jagged/blury look.

The people at Adobe tell me it's because of the frame mode.

I've tried using "no fields" with the same effect.


Thanks,

Waco

Premiere Pro SSE problem
 

I tried to run Adobe Premiere Pro on my computer and as it starts loading up, i get the error message "Adobe Premiere Pro cannot run on this computer because the processor does not support the SSE instruction set."

My computer specs are:
1.4ghz AMD T-bird
512MB RAM
Geforce 3
etc etc...

I don't know if this helps but I think the problem is Premiere pro is optimize for Pentium 4 processors. I could be wrong altogether.

That is a nasty wall to hit... The problem is already described in Adobes knowledge database. Look it up here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/31a06.htm

Basically support of SSE instruction set is a requirement and older AMD processors do not support this. I believe that the Palomino core was the first AMD processor to support SSE.

Basically the way I see it, you are out of luck until you buy a new CPU.

Hans Henrik

Frame mode and premiere
 

I'm editing a project in premiere that was shot in frame mode on a canon xl1.The video looks perfect untill I add an effect or add a title, then the colors are slighted muted and it's a little jagged and blury. If I export a video file straight from premiere, it looks fine, but if I export it from after effects, it has the same jagged/blury look.

The people at Adobe tell me it's because of the frame mode.

I've tried using "no fields" with the same effect.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Waco

*Vegas fans around the world snicker*

How does it look on a picture monitor (TV) is still blurry?

Are you using Mac or PC?

What version of Premiere?

Are all your settings the same? Use the settings viewer to find out in Premiere?

Thanks,

Ed

Yes, it's still blurry on my tv.

I'm usuing a PC, running win 2000.

I'm using Premiere 6.02

All the settings are the same.

The only thing I haven't been able to try as far as the fields go is using "no fields" when capturing. I'm not sure if it's possible.

i can assist here as i had the same problem but mine was due to another reason altogether as i have an Athlon XP 1700.

anyway here is the info on different processors I came across when I ran into the problem.:

Here's some info that might clear it up for you:
Here's what the different CPUs contain:

Pentium III. - MMX, SSE
Pentium 4.. - MMX, SSE, SSE2
Athlon …... - MMX, ...................3DNow!
Athlon MP. - MMX, SSE, ...........3DNow!
Athlon XP.. - MMX, SSE, ...........3DNow!, Extended-3DNow!

So plain Athlon's do NOT have the SSE instructions but the Athlon MP and XP's do. Since PPro does not use any 3DNow! instructions, there should not be a difference between the MP or XP CPUs for running PPro.

So the T-Bird does not support SSE so an upgrade will be needed.

Bummer... Thanks for all the info guys. Better go upgrade..GRrrrrr >:(

Have been playing with it and so far I've been very pleased. The MOVIE LOOKS presets are very good. You can also buy 45 additional presets called SAVING PRIVATE RYAN, TRAFFIC, AMELIE, etc for a total of $45. Not bad.

So far so good. Now only if I had a 24p plugin...

PREMIERE PRO
 

Hi
I`m still considering going to Premiere pro, but as an aside.
I am using a so called "cheapo" motherboard, K7S5A, with a RT.X100, 2400xp thorobred. SSE was enabled by using WPCUID(sic) to enable Xtools to be installed, then bios flashed to enable SSE permanently.
It looks to me that its mainly processor "speed" causes more problems than lack of SSE, if SSE can be enabled with a thorobred on Your particular motherboard.

So reading the previous posts, would Prem Pro be runnable without upgrading?, it looks so to me. But as the wife says "Your not often right, but Your wrong again"


Best Wishes.

Peter...

Scratch the 24p plug-in I have Vegas 4- I want that Movie Looks plug in!

The best quality will be uncompressed or a lossless codec like
HUFFYUV. DV will downgrade your quality. Whether that is
acceptable to you depends mostly on whether you have a fast
enough system to handle low or no compression and have the
disc space.

When I was using Premiere a while ago I noticed the same thing.
As soon as you go out through firewire the preview in Premiere
gets very jerky and slow. If you want to use it, don't go out over
firewire.

In Vegas you can choose to EITHER have it on your computer
screen OR on your firewire out... Not both.

I'm afraid the program is a bit too new... So not a lot of people
have probably used it a lot. If Adobe has a forum you might
want to check there.

Another option is the BlackMagic Design uncompressed Quicktime Codec. Doesn't require any of their hardware, just renders and reads lossless files through Quicktime.

http://www.decklink.com/support.asp