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Dan Euritt November 15th, 2004 09:25 PM

you do not want to re-encode the mpeg2 file at all... that means you'll need a real mpeg2 editor.

womble is what i use, you can download the free trial and see how it works for yourself... it has a window that tells you what is being re-encoded and what isn't, you should be able to get away with simple cuts-only editing with no re-encoding at all.

of course, that assumes that you have already pulled the mpeg2 files out of your dvd.

canopus also has an mpeg editor that should not do any re-encoding for simple edits.

Will Robertson November 15th, 2004 09:28 PM

Premiere freezes when camera connected
 
I really really need some help on this one. I have my camera connected to my computer through a firewire and I am going out from the camera to a tv. In theory this should work, but instead anytime the computer is connected to the firewire it freezes premiere so it doesn't play anything nothing is being outputted or shown at all. As soon as I disconnected the firewire or turn the camera off Premiere goes back to normal.

Do any of you know how to fix this? Please help! Thank you


WILL

Lars Siden November 16th, 2004 02:41 AM

Hi,

I had that problem with Premiere 6 / 6.5 ... never did fix it for good - a temporary fix that worked for some time was to delelete the firewire driver from "device manager" and let Windows rediscover it. Never had this problem with Premiere Pro


// Lazze \\

Rob Lohman November 16th, 2004 05:12 AM

That's an excellent idea indeed Dan. There is also a program
somewhere called M2Edit I believe. How large is the file?

Mirko Sohr November 16th, 2004 05:48 AM

http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/stable/

try this one of have a look for the MainConcept mpg2-support for premiere, its working quite nice, u can import every mpg2 file and edit easily

;P

always keep in mind, google is ur best friend :)

Steven Fokkinga November 16th, 2004 07:04 AM

mission accomplished
 
Thanks Rob, Dan and Mirko!

I managed to get it done with the womble-thing! That saved me a week's work!

Many thanks again!

Steven

Mirko Sohr November 16th, 2004 07:09 AM

ur welcome... i hope u can be succesfull, and it useful in ur case

Cliff Hepburn November 16th, 2004 09:33 AM

I always plug in and power up the camera before starting Premiere and never had any problems. Are you starting Premiere before turning on the camera?
HTH
-Cjh

Will Robertson November 16th, 2004 10:26 AM

Usually I'll wait until Premiere is loaded and then plug it in but I've tried it both ways. I'll try what you suggested Lars and see if that helps, thanks.

Dan Euritt November 16th, 2004 11:30 AM

just for drill, make sure you don't have anything else connected to the firewire bus the camera is on... perhaps there is a hardware conflict.

Kyle Edwards November 18th, 2004 07:26 PM

http://www.dynapel.com/

Also has a slow-mo program, does a great job. I remember Premiere 6.5 doing a better job than Pro with slow-mo. Can anyone verify or am I just being forgetful?

Barry Lajnwand November 19th, 2004 03:12 PM

Color Correcting B&W Video
 
I have this really old video that is mostly in Black & White (due to it being a high generation tape, and poor dubbing). However, there are a few seconds of color footage here and there during the video. Is there any way I can use the few seconds of color footage to correct the B&W footage? I'm using Premier Pro 1.5 now, but I also have 6.5 and After Effects (if necessary).

Stephen Jackson November 19th, 2004 04:05 PM

Media encoder problem
 
When I use Premiere Pro encoder to convert my video to Quicktime it render until the last two frames and then it stops.

I'm editing on P4 2.4Ghz and 2.00 Gigs of RAM with Windows XP

I've completed 60 minute videos with multiple effects and this machine handles it well.

I can't figure why it happens.

Thanks a lot for any assistance

Barry Lajnwand November 19th, 2004 04:33 PM

So it encodes everything but the last two frames?

Have you tried extending your video by two frames (of extra footage or black video) so that it encodes everything you want it to?

Pete Bauer November 19th, 2004 06:12 PM

Don't know if yours is the same problem, but I fixed my Adobe Media Encoder (AME) "failed to return video frame" lockups with this work-around:

http://www.adobe.com/support/techdocs/330380.html

Apparently WinXP SP2 messes with AME's use of hyperthreading. If you get that error message, the very simple workaround ought to do it (re-naming the Adobe Premiere Pro.exe file).

If this doesn't help, search around in Adobe's Knowledge Base...I've usually found answers to problems with Adobe software well documented right on the Adobe web site.

Best o' luck!

Stephen Jackson November 19th, 2004 08:52 PM

I've extended the frames and decreased the frames to no avail.

I don't get an error message the timer shows 0:00 and 8300 of 8302 frames encoded.

I'm going to search the Adobe database, thanks a lot

Jake Sawyer November 20th, 2004 11:12 PM

Editing backround noise and the works.
 
I have some footage that I'm editing with interviews inbetween and I'm a newbie at sound editing, so I need some help. I know the basics of sound editing, but I still haven't learned the more advanced stuff. For instance, I have a minute of two of footage with the music blaring and then suddenly I cut right to a little interview clip. The problem is at the beginning of the interview clip a big hum from a bus outside that is passing by is very loud, this was a run and gun documentary, so I can't reshoot or anything. So, how would I cancel out that backround noise, but still keep the persons voice just as loud? Also, how do I cancel out that common hiss sound? I have alot of little clips from different interviews inbetween the music and I would really like to beable not to have to fade the music all the way down suddenly, so you can hear the persons voice. I've raised and tweaked the gain, but I was wondering if theres a better way to tweak it so I don't have to lower the music all the way down when someones talking. I know these are real general questions, but any help would be appreciated!

Jiggy Gaton November 20th, 2004 11:30 PM

jake, with the clips on the timeline and selected go to effects / volume and adjust by adding keyframes and then moving the envelope markers up or down. for example, the beginning of one clip you gradually raise the volume and at the end you gradually lower the volume. you can add keyframes before some dialog and after some dialog to raise just the dialog volume. however, editing audio in premiere is tedious and i prefer Audition 1.5 (formally cool edit pro). In Audition you can take the hiss out of almost anything and create real multitrack soundtracks for your clips. You can even import your video file and edit the audio that way, while viewing the video realtime. however, i have unanswered posts all over the place on why this does not seem to work very well (lag time between recording and video playback). good luck!
jigs

Jiggy Gaton November 20th, 2004 11:37 PM

not sure if 6 has it, but 7+ has scene detection where it will capture the entire tape by scenes, select scene detect and capture tape, not in/out points. easy and works great.
jigs

Jake Sawyer November 21st, 2004 09:31 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jiggy Gaton : jake, with the clips on the timeline and selected go to effects / volume and adjust by adding keyframes and then moving the envelope markers up or down. for example, the beginning of one clip you gradually raise the volume and at the end you gradually lower the volume. you can add keyframes before some dialog and after some dialog to raise just the dialog volume. however, editing audio in premiere is tedious and i prefer Audition 1.5 (formally cool edit pro). In Audition you can take the hiss out of almost anything and create real multitrack soundtracks for your clips. You can even import your video file and edit the audio that way, while viewing the video realtime. however, i have unanswered posts all over the place on why this does not seem to work very well (lag time between recording and video playback). good luck!
jigs -->>>

So, really all I can do is raise and lower the volume to cancel out the noise? My problem is it happens right when the person is talking so I couldn't lower it unless I lowered her voice also. I better go try Audition. Thanks for the advice.

David Yuen November 21st, 2004 01:12 PM

Show Frequency Analysis
 
You should try the Show Frequency Analysis in Audition (under the Analyze menu) to determine the frequencies of the person's voice and the bus.

You can try a high-pass filter (Effects -> Filters -> Scientific Filters) where your cutoff frequency is below the person's voice and above the bus hum. Your speaker being a female rather than a male gives you a better separation between the bus hum and the voice.

You can also try to boost the person's voice using some of the Audition presets in the Graphic Equalizer section.

Ryan Krga November 21st, 2004 01:16 PM

Playback Problem in Premiere Pro 1.5
 
Well, I just formatted my computer and installed a fresh copy of XP Professional Service Pack 2. I installed some necessary codecs to play MPEG, DivX, XviD, 3ivX, etc. properly. I also updated to the recent version of WMP, which is version 10. After installing all of these, I installed Premiere Pro 1.5. I started editing a little with multiple effects layered on each clip. (About 30 seconds of edited footage) I rendered it, played it back, and the video played extremely choppy. I'm thinking it may have to do with installing WMP 10 since the exported Microsoft DV AVI video plays choppy in the player, but plays perfectly when I compress to MOV and play in the Quicktime player.

My camera is not connected while it's playing and I've checked all of the preferences in Premiere. Does WMP 10 come equipped with all of the codecs I've installed? Should I uninstall the codecs or WMP? Can I uninstall WMP? (Microsoft made it so you could not uninstall version 9)

Thanks a lot for reading this, it's been really bugging me.

Ryan Krga

Dan Euritt November 21st, 2004 01:27 PM

Re: Editing backround noise and the works.
 
<<<-- Originally posted by Jake Sawyer : For instance, I have a minute of two of footage with the music blaring and then suddenly I cut right to a little interview clip. The problem is at the beginning of the interview clip a big hum from a bus outside that is passing by is very loud, this was a run and gun documentary, so I can't reshoot or anything. So, how would I cancel out that backround noise, but still keep the persons voice just as loud? Also, how do I cancel out that common hiss sound?-->>>

you are talking about splitting the audio up into seperate sections, depending on the noise you want to remove... you have to then sample the hiss or whatever in the noise reduction filter, and then run noise reduction on just that audio section... different background noise, different sample for the noise reduction filter, etc.

maybe afterwords you can normalize the audio, which will bring the quieter stuff up to match the louder sections better... but be careful, all that processing can hammer the narrator's voice, use good speakers to check your work as you go.

the help section of cool edit pro has some pointers on how to do this, including the max settings for normalizing.

Ed Smith November 21st, 2004 01:42 PM

P6 did'nt have this feature in software only mode. If however you had an hardware accelerator (DV500/ RT2500) then the supplied software would enable you to do this.

There were a few bugs with batch capturing in P6, if you can get hold of the .02 upgrade or 6.5 it was better.

Batch capturing will not work if you have broken timecode. Please make sure that the timecode on your tape is continuous, otherwise you'll find out that premiere will not capture everything you aksked it too.

Thanks,

Ed Smith November 21st, 2004 01:46 PM

Can you still play the Quicktime file back in QT? If you can then missing 2 frames at the end won't make a big dent in the video.

However this does not explain why it would stop there. Have you tried exporting out as an AVI file and then compressing it into QT file in a different project?

Pete Bauer November 21st, 2004 02:05 PM

Hi Ryan,

I'm no expert, but I'll try to help. Since you're starting from a clean slate, any of a bunch of settings could be non-optimized.

Try rendering out using a couple of the more compressed codecs to AVI or in WMV; if low data rate plays fine in WMP, it probably is a playback issue. If WMP is still choppy (especially if it is in exactly the same way) even with small, low data rate files, it probably is an encoding issue.

What are your system specs...processor ...how much RAM? Easy things to check:
- make sure DMA is enabled
- quality vs performance settings in WMP 10
- Anti-virus software (especially since SP2, I've thought something was hung up a couple of times, only to have Norton say it was done virus checking a file -- then everything worked great. Don't know why that would be more of an issue since SP2, but that's what I've noticed.)
- temp folders for PPro on a separate drive

I'm not sure if you can uninstall WMP 10, but I don't think so. Off the cuff, I'm not aware of any reason to uninstall the additional codecs; WMP probably came with most of them, but maybe not all...in any case, just having a codec on your system shouldn't bother anything.

Uh, ok, for now I'm out of ideas! Post some more details and let's see what happens.

Ryan Krga November 21st, 2004 04:14 PM

Pete, thanks for the response.

The lower data rate files (WMV, MPEG-1, MOV) play fine when exported, it's just the full, umcompressed files that are playing choppy. I just uninstalled WMP 10 and restored version 9 and it seemed to fix the playback problem within Premiere, but not on WMP.

I'm on a older Sony Vaio with a 1.8 GHZ P4, 768 MB of RAM, and an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 MB video card. The video that I'm editing with is on a separate drive than the drive that Premiere and the rendered files are on, but that's how I had it running before the format. Both of my hard drives are running on the NTFS file system. (If that will help any) I'm not sure what you mean by DMA, coudl you explain that? I'll try running with Norton AV and MacAfee firewall disabled and see how that goes.

Ryan Krga

Stephen Jackson November 21st, 2004 04:51 PM

The QT file shows 0 bytes so there's nothing to play. I have no problems exporting to .avi and using Sorenson Squeeze to make the QT file. But I would like to keep going the extra step if I don't have to.

When I finish this project I will take a look on Adobe's website and see what they say

Ryan Krga November 21st, 2004 05:17 PM

Disabled both Norton AV and McAfee firewall, nothing improved in Premiere or WMP. Restarted the computer after installing a copy of AIM, and the problem is still occuring in Premiere and WMP. I guess restoring version 9 didn't help at all.

Pete Bauer November 21st, 2004 07:07 PM

AIM? Is that AOL Instant Messenger or something else?

Anyway, DMA stands for Direct Memory Access. Here's a quick link about Ultra DMA Modes (which I should read myself, since I don't know much of the technical info):

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/modesUDMA-c.html

But the long and the short of it is if your hard drives are exchanging data with the rest of the computer using "PIO" or any Ultra DMA Mode less than 4, you'll have performance problems with disk read/write.

Assuming your computer is set up in a fairly standard way, to check, go to:

Device Manager >> Primary IDE Channel >> right click for properties >> Advanced Settings tab

and see what the Current Transfer Mode shows. If it is PIO or less than Ultra DMA Mode 4, change it if possible to match the capabilities of your hard drive. You might actually have to go into the BIOS to enable DMA. Your CD or DVD drives are probably on the Secondary IDE Channel and will probably use UDMA2.

If it isn't that, I'll have to scratch my skull a little more as I don't have any other ideas to try right now.

Jake Sawyer November 21st, 2004 09:56 PM

I'll try your guys advice. Thanks for being so gracious!

Rob Lohman November 22nd, 2004 04:37 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Aaron Shaw : deinterlacing is throwing away half your vertical resolution. -->>>

This is a much made statement that is false. This totally depends
on the algorithms being used and the quality of those. This might
have been true a long time ago, but the quality of de-interlacing
has increased by leaps and bounds. It is unknown how much
(vertical) resolution you loose these days.

In the end go with what works best for you. If de-interlacing gives
a far better look (which it usually does with slow-motion from an
interlaced source) and it still looks good enough for you (and
better than remove flicker option) then just go with that.

Rob Lohman November 22nd, 2004 06:05 AM

Are you trying to match the footage or just turn it in black & white?
There are various ways in an NLE like Premiere to turn color into
black & white.

Rob Lohman November 22nd, 2004 08:23 AM

Hold on a sec. Ryan: you say "uncompressed". Is it really an
uncompressed file or is it a DV file (that is NOT uncompressed!)

Uncompressed standard (NTSC) 720x480 @ 30 fps does 30 MB/s
which most drives cannot deliver, so if that is the case I have
no doubt it would not play back okay.

If it is DV then it should play back fine, ofcourse (3.6 MB/s).

Dan Euritt November 22nd, 2004 12:25 PM

ryan, you brought a lot of things into the mix here, and some of 'em aren't relevant... when you say "choppy" playback, do you mean on the pc monitor, or on the ntsc video monitor? the latter is the only thing that really matters.

wmp will not affect video playback in premiere... i would venture to say that it's not possible, since they aren't related in any way... and the number of codecs you have on your computer isn't a factor.

i would uninstall aim, mcafee, and norton, those are a couple of classic problem areas... junk apps that belong in the garbage.

Barry Lajnwand November 22nd, 2004 03:19 PM

I want to match the black & white footage to the color footage, not turn everything black & white?

Ryan Krga November 22nd, 2004 03:22 PM

By uncompressed I mean exported with the Microsoft DV AVI setting. I'm viewing this on a computer monitor, but I imagine it wouldn't play on an NTSC, either. I can't export to tape as a result of the playback. The video completely skips frames while previewing and the audio becomes unaligned with the video when it occurs. I've run Premiere Pro 1.5 before with NAV, McAfee, and AIM all running at the same time without any problems, so I'm almost positive the problem doesn't have do do with them.

Could it be that my processor is too slow? I'm rendering the video before playing it back so I don't see why this is happening.

Jonathan Nicholas November 22nd, 2004 05:50 PM

It's not possible.

Jon

Eric Chan November 22nd, 2004 07:05 PM

Noise generated from wireless mic
 
I just did an event and had to use a wireless mic to record conversation. However, there are a lot of interference recorded. What is the most effective way of filtering out this interference, i.e. what audio effect (s) can I use in Permiere Pro?

Thanks

Rob Lohman November 23rd, 2004 06:25 AM

Okay Ryan: so that is NOT uncompressed! Your file is DV
compressed (5:1 compression ratio). Just so you know!

What are your project settings in Premiere?


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