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Rob Lohman September 6th, 2004 11:20 AM

I don't have Premiere Pro so I can't look. But when you start it
up you can choose whether you want a 4:3 or 16:9 project
and you can't change this lateron? That's weird. If so, just render
out to a 16:9. Start a new 4:3 project and load that file. Fix
the aspect ratio and your done.

Ed Smith September 6th, 2004 03:01 PM

The only way that I can think of how to do this at the moment would be:

Edit project in 16x9
Start a new project 4x3 and import the 16x9 project into the 4x3 (blank) project.

You will then need to click on interpret footage, and select conform aspect ratio to 16x9. You will probably have to do this on each clip in the timeline/ bin.

Save the project. Then render the sequence.

Hopefully now you will have a project that is 4x3 letter boxed and another project that is straight 16x9.

Hope this works and helps,

Ed

Dwight Flynn September 6th, 2004 04:20 PM

Premiere Pro 1.5 crashes when Boris Red 3.0 GL is initiated
 
Premiere Pro 1.5 crashes (simply turns off) when Boris Red 3.0 GL is initiated...is there a solution?


Thanks

Kevin Kwak September 6th, 2004 08:39 PM

Video clip from my digital camera to Premiere 6.0
 
I transferred several short video clips taken by my digital camera (Canon S50) which are .avi files.

When I import to Premiere 6.0, I get the following error message:

Unable to open that file.
File uses an unsupported compression format.
File path: C:\etc. etc. AVI


I'm positive that Premiere accepts .avi format.

Jimmy McKenzie September 6th, 2004 08:46 PM

Try this: Capture the clips using the software that came wirth your camera. Then export them as a microsoft DV avi. If the camera did not come with software, try Windows movie maker that is included with XP. Then export as DV AVi and Premiere should be fine.

Lauri Kettunen September 6th, 2004 11:51 PM

<<<The only way that I can think of how to do this at the moment would be:

Edit project in 16x9
Start a new project 4x3 and import the 16x9 project into the 4x3 (blank) project.>>>

Ed, That's also the only solution I'm able to figure out. It is bit surprising that there is no direct way to change the format. Though, if so, understandable for Premiere is built in a certain way.

<<< If so, just render
out to a 16:9. Start a new 4:3 project and load that file. Fix
the aspect ratio and your done.>>>

Rob, Thanks, yes, this is another solution, but I would like to avoid rendering for it means the 4:3 material is first extrapolated to 16:9 and then interpolated back to letterboxed 4:3. The quality is better if the 4:3 material is only cropped.

Rob Lohman September 7th, 2004 04:57 AM

AVI is what we call a container format (like QuickTime .MOV for
example). It is a file format standard that supports multiple
CODECS that determine how the actual data inside the file is
encoded and thus must be decoded.

The two most used are uncompressed and DV.

However, most TV and analog capture cards and most photo
camera's as well use MJPEG. Per default (depends on your
Windows version) Windows usually DOES NOT have an MJPEG
codec installed.

Your camera should've come with a codec to display the movies.
So make sure you install your camera tools.

If that still doesn't work you either need to get an MJPEG codec
or another one. Let us know if you get it to work or not. Otherwise
we may need to look at what codec has been used to encode
your AVI file (there are tools for this).

Rob Lohman September 7th, 2004 05:21 AM

Now I'm missing the point I think <g>

Why would you have 4:3 footage in a 16:9 project? That doesn't
make much sense really.

Anyway, I downloaded the demo version of PPro 1.5 and it seems
you can't change the settings after the fact indeed (doh!).

Anyway, the earlier tip seems to work fine. Start a new 4:3
project and IMPORT (file -> Import) your older 16:9 project.
You will get another sequence which you can open and your
edit should be in there but now for a 4:3 project.

Lauri Kettunen September 7th, 2004 06:19 AM

<<<Why would you have 4:3 footage in a 16:9 project? That doesn't make much sense really.-->>>

Well, for example, I have some material of some rare birds which is not repeatable (or it may takes years). So, I have to rely on my archieve material. Accordingly, if the new document is in 16:9 format, I have to include and stretch old 4:3 footages in a 16:9 project.

Rob Lohman September 7th, 2004 06:23 AM

Okay, but in the end it won't matter much because if the project
also has 16:9 footage you will need to letterbox it and therefore
you will not loose any information by going out to a 16:9 file
anyway.

I've edited my previous post with my own test. So in the end
you have two ways:

1) render out to a new file (I don't see how this will result in a loss if you are going to letterbox the 4:3 project anyway)

2) import your old project in your new one

Ed Smith September 7th, 2004 08:59 AM

If you are just using 4:3 footage in a 16x9 project...

What I would do is just maintain the aspect ratio on the 4:3 clips, this way you will get pillar boxes on the 4:3 material when viewed on a widescreen TV.

Lauri Kettunen September 7th, 2004 09:41 AM

<<<-- import your old project in your new one -->>>

Rob, that's what I'll probably do, thanks.

This is just a detail, though an interesting one about interpolation and extrapolation: Let's talk of PAL format meaning the resolution is 720 x 576. Now, when a 4:3 footage is imported into a 16:9 project one has to stretch the footage in the vertical direction. This means that (if I remember right) 432 horizontal lines are used to generate 576 lines.

Now, if such a 16:9 project is rendered and taken into a 4:3 project and then aspect ratio is maintained, the question is, does one get (precisely) the same 432 horizontal lines which one started from at the first place? I suspect one doesn't, which should be verifiable by repeating the process several times.

(Whether such hairsplitting makes sense is a good question, especially if there is no observable difference.)

Dwight Flynn September 7th, 2004 12:03 PM

You can try Atlantis from dvfilm.com, or Algolith's Content Adaptive Scaler (CAS) which is a lot more expensive.

Steven Gotz September 7th, 2004 02:51 PM

http://www.morgan-multimedia.com/

Dmitry Yun September 7th, 2004 04:09 PM

MPEG2 export, AUDIO problem
 
Hi, I have Premier 6.5 and when I export a movie as a regular AVI file, my sound is perfect but, when I export the avi through adobe mpeg encoder as an NTSC/MPEG2 I get this hissing/whistling sound. It's subtle BUT IT HURTS MY EARS!!! does anyone have a suggestion on the settings of my MPEG2 import properties? or anything that can help me get rid of this HISS?

Thanks

Dan Euritt September 7th, 2004 09:45 PM

it would be the mpeg2 export properties within the mainconcept encoder that you are concerned with... specifically, it would help if you could tell us what the audio settings are.

Dan Euritt September 7th, 2004 09:50 PM

i just used the procoder plugin for converting an ntsc dv movie into pal mpeg2(dvd), within premiere 6.5... it rocked, nothing else even comes close for anywhere near the money.

i'm sending it to england this week to get some pal-qualified opinions, but it sure looked good on the pc monitor! i was also able to play it on the ntsc dvd/tv set here at the house.

most people don't know it, but pal/ntsc is somewhat interchangeable, especially if you live in a pal country like australia... many pal dvd players over there will play ntsc, the real question is how well the pal tv set can handle it... go ahead and make up an ntsc dvd, then see how it works over there.

the pal conversion i played here showed some dropped frames on the high-action scenes, but it looked a lot better than i thought it would.

Dmitry Yun September 7th, 2004 09:58 PM

to tell you the truth I've already tried every combination possible and I was just wondering if there are any other possible solutions. Thanks.

Steven Gotz September 7th, 2004 10:30 PM

My guess is that the audio is too loud. Take it down a notch to avoid clipping. Then try again. AVI is able to tolerate louder audio than an MPEG is.

Lauri Kettunen September 8th, 2004 12:47 AM

I have no experience of conversion from NTSC to PAL, but the other way around from PAL to NTSC-DVD I've got the best result with Ulead DVD workshop. The Ulead DVD workshop reads in an avi file and converts that directly to mpeg2 on a DVD. Maybe it's worth of trying for then you avoid one unnecessary step of rendering your original NTSC material to dv-format in PAL.

Rob Lohman September 8th, 2004 02:08 AM

What is your final format going to be? DVD? Then don't let
Premiere encode your audio with the MPEG2 file. Audio has
been a notorious problem on the Premiere platform (at least
prior to the Pro versions).

If you are going to DVD let Premiere output the audio seperate
as either AC3 (if it can, probably not) or as WAV/PCM and load
that up in your authoring package. Hopefully it can convert the
latter to AC3, otherwise you are stuck with PCM on your DVD
(which takes more space).

It might help if you describe your workflow a bit more.

Greg Harris September 8th, 2004 06:57 AM

Yeah I believe the audio may to high. I did that from pp1 and its sounded odd, like the speakers were crackling. But I just turned down the levels to -4 or -6DB's

Dmitry Yun September 8th, 2004 10:43 AM

See I recorded the sound with a shotgun mic and I had my manual settings on low. I was reading Digital Filmmaking 101 and it says to record digital sound that way. I had to make the sound louder in post. Is I was to just burn the AVI to the DVD will I still have that sound problem?

Thanks guys.

Dan Euritt September 8th, 2004 10:47 AM

there is nothing wrong with the way that premiere 6.5 handles audio, it is not defective in any way that i know of... the complaints revolved around the lack of audio editing features.

what i have done in the past is to export the entire timeline as a wave file, then clean it up with tools like cool edit pro... to start with, have the program analyze the audio file to see if it's clipping, for example.

dmitry, are you saying that you amplified the heck out of the audio within premiere?

Mauricio Garcia September 8th, 2004 12:51 PM

Adobe premiere Pro v1.5
New Project, 24p Preset, File, New, Universal Counting Leader.
It allows some customization.

Dmitry Yun September 9th, 2004 12:19 PM

Yeah, I did amplify it to max on some clips but that seems not to be the issue. I figured out the way to keep my original sound in tact by simply taking my .avi file and droping it on the DVD straight up without any other convertions. It's just that I love to make my video at 25fps cuz it just look SOO damn good. But If I have to sacrifice that, it's ok. I'd just like to know if I could go the whole nine yards here and have my pretty 25fps effect with the sound as it is.

Thanks for your advice guys.

Ed Smith September 9th, 2004 02:39 PM

Dwight,

By the looks of things this is not a common issue (you have had no response for a few days)

You might what try posting:

- Computer specs (hardware and software)
- Settings
- And a complete description of what you are doing to cause it to crash.
- Are there any error messages
- What sort of crash is it? Blue screen, freeze?

You might also want to try Boris' website to see if any other people have the same problems.

Possibly try un-installing/ re-installing Boris/ premiere

Thanks,

William Forde September 9th, 2004 04:54 PM

I am not sure if this will help, but i had a similar problem with Boris FX. It ended up being too many fonts in my windows fonts directory (800+).

Clifford Hepburn September 10th, 2004 12:00 PM

I use PrePro 1.0 on my AMD64 3000+, ATI 9600 64MB, 512MB ram with no problems. Since I get a lot of airline time, I put the sequences together on the laptop and save all the critical adjustments for my PC. I don't like to adjust color, contrast, levels, etc. on the my laptops LCD screens.

Mathew Adams September 10th, 2004 04:11 PM

Problem Exporting in Premiere Pro 7.0
 
Hello all! I have a serious problem exporting in Adobe Premiere Pro 7.0. I capture at 16:9 and would like to export it at that ratio as well. The problem is the final product is at 4:3 and there is a black frame around it. When the video is played at fullscreen, the video doesn't strech the length of the screen. No matter what the settings are, it always exports this way. I have made new projects at 16:9 with both PAL and NTSC. I have exported with the "maintain aspect ratio" option set. I have tried everything i can think of. All help will be appreciated.

- Mat

Dwight Flynn September 10th, 2004 07:27 PM

Thanks guys for your reply. I have looked on the Boris site with no luck so far, but I will try your suggestions.

Thanks

Mike Mellis September 13th, 2004 11:15 AM

MPEG2 to AVI then back again?
 
I'm new. That said, here's my question:
I have alot of Hi8 footage to capture. My current computer configuration only captures analog as MPEG2. I've heard that the .AVI format gives better quality though. Is that true? In other words, if I capture as MPEG2 then convert to .AVI for editing in Premier Pro, then then render back to MPEG2 for DVD authoring, will I see reduced image quality after all that converting? Much of my Hi8 footage is over ten years old and some is low light. Any comments would be helpful. Thanks.

Ed Smith September 13th, 2004 02:14 PM

Short answer is probably no.

MPEG 2 is a lower resolution and converting it to AVI will not help the situation.

If you can capture straight into DV AVI rather than MPEG 2, it would help the situation. This would probably mean buying a capture card or analogue to digital converter.

cheers,

Ming Dong September 13th, 2004 04:13 PM

PPro v7.0 hangs while Export(ing) to DVD
 
I finished creating a 16minute video in PPro. But when I try to Export to DVD, PPro hangs during transcoding. It gets as far as 10% of the progress bar, then sits there. Once it hangs, Windows Task Manager shows 0% cpu usage by PPro.

And once it hangs, the "Cancel Recording" button on the Recording Progress window no longer works. I must use Task Manager to kill PPro.

Any ideas?

Ed Smith September 13th, 2004 04:24 PM

Hi Mathew,

Can you please explain how the video will be delivered (DVD, internet, vhs etc)?

what do you mean by "black frame"?

What sort of screen are you viewing it on?

If you have shot in 16x9 and your final output is 4:3, then you need to import the 16x9 footage into a 4x3 project and then maintain aspect ratio.

You could possibly do Pan and scan if you have the filter.

Please answer the above questions.

Thanks,

Chris Long September 13th, 2004 08:53 PM

Export To DVD Jitters--Too High A Bitrate?
 
Hi All
I recently was under a deadline, and used the Export to DVD function of PPro for a single project. I burned it, and when I checked it out on my TV, there were sections (mostly wjhen the main character was walking through the landscape, or against a background) where there was a jittery, flickering effect. Like seeing multiple images, sligfht;ly out of sync. The background, and all non-moving obkjects, looked great.

I'm guessing that it was caused by my choosing to Maximize Bitrate--it pushed it up to 9.00. Someone once told me that this could be the result of having a too high bitrate. Any corroboration on that? Is that a likely suspect here?

I ended up exporting it to DV tape, and it was fine that way.

Thanks
Chris

Mathew Adams September 13th, 2004 11:15 PM

Thanks for the reply
 
I honestly appreciate the reply but i already have it figured out. When i would try to export using de-interlace, it would shrink the image a little bit. This would disable the movie from being veiwed in fullscreen. (This is what i was talking about with the black bars)

The solution was to export using progressive scan. I also chose the scale clips to project size option when making a new project.

It seemed to help. I didn't think anyone was going to help me so i messed around for hours and figured it out.

Ed Smith September 14th, 2004 02:33 AM

Glad you managed to work it out for yourself :)

Thanks for posting your findings.

All the best,

Richard Lewis September 14th, 2004 04:47 AM

I have the same problem. This is probably because I dont know how to do it properly...

Can anyone give me the optimal settings so that I can produce flicker free maximum quality copies?

I am a complete novice at this. I also experimented with maximising bit rate and I don't really know what I'm effecting.

Rob Lohman September 14th, 2004 04:53 AM

This sounds like interlacing problems.

If you captured progressive, make sure your project settings and
MPEG2 encode / DVD output are BOTH set to PROGRESSIVE (or
NONE on interlacing).

If you did capture interlaced your project should be set to lower
field first. DVD / mpeg2 encoding should be set to upper first.

Play around with interlace settings.

Otherwise it may sound like a resolution change, but I'm not
sure how that would happen unless your source footage was
not in the DV format.


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