sorenson3 and mp3
 

I am working with adobe premiere pro.
I want to render a quicktime movie with Sorenson3 for video and mp3 for audio. I have seen impressing good results with that.

I have 2 questions:

1. How can i render mp3 audio together with sorenson3 for quicktime in Premiere?? The choise is not there! The mp3 encoder codec is on my PC.

2. The stdrd settings in Premiere for Sorenson are not optimal.
I want B-frames enabled and "FrameDroping" disabled.
I could not find a registry setting for that ( may be I was looking wrong ).
Do you have any suggestions how to change that in the regsitry or any ini-file or settingsfile?

i've done a lot of editing with premiere 6.5, and i've never had those kinds of lag problems.

the fact is that how much total raw footage you have in the bin can't possibly be a factor, because it's not being accessed by premiere... it's just a series of links sitting there... if you are talking about putting 6 hours of footage directly in the timeline, you really should break up the edit into manageable lengths, regardless of what editor you are using.

one thing i always do with premiere is turn off the audio waveform re-draw feature... and how many undo levels do you have selected?

another thing to consider is how many total edits you have in the timeline, audio/video/graphics added together... 200? 400? 600 even?

some of the old video editing software programs simply couldn't handle hundreds upon hundreds of edits reliably.

Colour Correction problems
 

Hello,
can anyone help?

1. I colour corrected a dv movie (shot in PAL format) using NTSC standards (In Premiere Pro). I used the waveform and vectorscope as guides, making sure the IRE values were between 7.5 and 100. I also enabled the video limiter option. However after rendering, I noticed to my dismay that the waveforms had changed and were not within the above stated IRE values and the video limiter checkbox was deselected on some clips. What's even more bizarre is that the clips appeared colour corrected but its just the waveforms that were out of wack.

Any ideas on what could have caused this and possible solutions?

2. I've got another question: my footage was shot in PAL format and I was wondering whether I should colour correct for PAL or NTSC standards for viewing in both North America and Europe.

thanks

Separating audio tracks into separate channels
 

Hi,
I'm working on video project with about 6 - 7 audio tracks in Premiere Pro, consisting of music, dialogue and sound effects. I'd like to know if there’s a way to select which tracks should be on either the left or right channel in the final mixing process. So that for example the dialogue can be on one channel and the rest of the audio tracks on another for dubbing into other languages later on. The final output will be on either DV or Beta tape.

Thanks

Audio question
 

Hi,
I'm applying noise reduction filters on audio from a video project i'm working on in Premiere Pro. I have to take the wav files into Adobe Audition (using the 'Extract from Video' command), but when save over the existing wav files, they're not updated in Premiere. I have to manually import each and every wav file I've worked on and match it back to the video. Is there an easier way to do this?

Adobe Premiere comforms these new wav files as I import them, thereby doubling the number of conformed files on my hard disk. What I don't understand is that, the wav files that I apply the filter to in Audition replace the original wav files on the hard drive, but not in Premiere. How is that possible?

Hi Pat,

I'm glad you like PP.

Premiere has been out for such a long time that A/B editing workspace was used to mimic the linear way of doing things, so that the guys who were used to Linear editing should find Premiere pretty simple/ similar to use. What most people did not realize was that Premiere had a single track workspace as well, but most people tended to use A/B editing because it was easier to understand.


I like premiere too...

Thanks,

That depends on what "viewing" is. If you are going to get your
clip broadcasted it is probably best to let them handle the
necessary compression and perhaps PAL to NTSC conversion.

PAL basically does not need such safeguards. If you are going
to put it up on the web it does not matter if it is in PAL or NTSC
and you can forego any use of these guidelines as well.

Jan: you should not bother with things like registry / ini or
settings file. If it isn't there in your interface it won't get there.

Regarding the MP3 audio, that is a strange one. I have a
QuickTime movie on my desktop that Vegas claims has a MPEG
layer 3 audio track (MP3). I can play this back and Vegas can
load this. However, when I render to QuickTime 6 I do not see
this codec in the audio list indeed.

I checked and upgrading to QuickTime 6 Pro does not change
a thing. Somehow the codec is not there. I'm not quite sure
why it isn't there....

You have to pay for the mp3 codec. Quicktime may only work with the one from Faunhofer IIS or whatever. There are other mp3 codecs out there but AFAIK they won't work.

Sorenson3 options: You also need to pay to enable those extra options. The pro sorenson3 codec will give you noticeably better quality.

C'mon people, Premiere 6.x was a turd compared to Premiere Pro, Avid, Final Cut, and Vegas.

I don't have experience cutting huge projects in Premiere so I can't help you with your problem. But for a music video I am working on (there's edits in both programs), both Premiere Pro and Vegas are handling it fine. Premiere takes longer to conform things. Final Cut would likely be slower.

The suggestion for splitting your project up is a good one.

You can also try the demo for Vegas. You might be able to convert your cuts through an EDL to save a little time. (maybe!)

I too love my new NLE.

New machine upgraded from 6.5 to 1.5.

Fantastic performance. Hasn't crashed once (touch synthetic wood looking desk)

Spent a good while last night personalising the keyboard shortcuts (trying to line them up with my premier keyboard)

Absolutely fantastic!!!!

My project is split up over 3 scenes, and the maximum length of captured footage I have at one time is 5 minutes. I have premiere pro 1.0, getting 1.5 today to see if it fixes the problem. If not, I'm switching to Vegas 5. There's no excuse for how bad the program is running. Even when I'm not doing anything, and its been sitting there for a while, if I try to switch in or out then in, it takes 2 minutes to get back "in"(having the window in focus, and being able to see all its contents).

The only thing I see here that I'm afraid might be true is that I don't have enough power going to my hard drives. MY power supply is 400watts, but I have 3 hard drives. (Though, I had these problems a week ago when I only had 2) So mabye that's not it. I really just wish I could edit this project at a good pace, and not have to worry about it locking up everytime it has to do something beyond just editing.

I see some other errors too. Sometimes when I export, if the end of the movie has no video, but an mp3 or wav continues to play, it will freeze the rendering, and just stay stuck there at that frame of the rendering process.

Sometimes when I add an effect to some footage premiere crashes.

Premiere has really bad sound export functionality. If you add any audio gain to any audio in your project, it will sound find in the preview. It sounds louder like it should. But when it's exported, and you listen to it on the avi, all of the loud parts are messed up, like the microphone popped when it was recorded.

Besides the problems, I think premiere is a great program. If I didn't have these problems, I would be very happy with it's functionality ect, but thee problems are too much.

Check you windows Task Manager, and look and see how much memory the premiere process is taking. It could be that your machine is swapping.

checking the swap file is a good idea... but you since you have a ton of ram, it shouldn't be doing that.

premiere 1.0 was a beta p.o.s. that should have never been released to the public... and the 1.5 update should have been free to the people who bought 1.0.

if you go to the adobe.com premiere forum, you'll see a whole bunch of complaints about premiere 1.0... i don't know if your specific lag problems were one of the many issues people complained about, but it would be a good idea to use the search feature to find out... good luck!

dang, where is the thumbs up button on this board :-)

rob, your post ought to be a sticky at the top of every forum! in fact, it ought to be mandatory reading before you can even access the forum!!

I also have a gig of memory, and depending on what effects i used premiere would actually start paging. I have premiere 6.5, 1.0 and 1.5 and yes, 1.5 does have much better memory usage than 1.0.

mp3 is an old-skool codec that isn't nearly as efficient as some of the newer audio codecs... pretty much the same goes for sorensen... if you don't need the quicktime format itself, you'll get higher quality for the same bandwidth with windows media.

I've just ordered the upgrade to 1.5. Had nothing but pain and trouble with ppro 1.0 with the matrox card. Hopefully i will follow in your footsteps with 1.5. Can't wait!

Huge Source files & long projects in Premiere
 

The most footage that I have loaded into my NLE at one time is 12 hours in 1 hour increments. I have found that Premeire, at least 5.1c, crashes when a clip that is more than an hour long is placed in the timeline when the audio track is expanded for band level adjustment or whatever. I cut with Premeire 5.1c on the desktop which is what this monster project was done with and 6.5 on the laptop. Now, this desktop is configured and used only as an editor and that's it. I don't run any other programs, especially when editing, or even allow it to access the internet for obvious reasons. My desktop PC/NLE, an IBM Intellistation, has twin 600 mhz P3 processors and only 512 megs of RAM but I do have two dedicated 10K RPM SCSI 146 gig video drives for fast seek times which allows for around 27 hours of video to be stored even after formatting. I have found that Premeire, at least 5.1, starts to act up when a project nears or exceeds an hour in length. I attempted to create a two hour project, mentioned above, and got the sh!t scared out of me when it started freezing up shortly into the second hour of the project. So, I found a natural break in the program content and split the project in half. Once I finished the second half, I held my breath and imported the second half into and at the tail of the first half just for the export to tape. Premeire and/or the PC also could not handle rendering the effects/filters all at once. So I had to render the entire timeline in sections. It worked but before I figured out the solution, I was really nervous. As far as short format projects, I never have any problems.

Although I think Windows Media can do some great stuff I have
to disagree about the Sorenson 3 codec. Look at the stuff Apple
is doing with those movie trailers. Awesome quality at more
than managable sizes in my humble opinion.

Hi Abby,

You can use the audio mixer to pan the audio to the left or right, on a per track bases. So say that you want audio track 1 to be on the left side, then you simply turn the pan knob to the left hand side (L), when you then play the audio back it should only appear on the left.

Hope this helps,

Have you tried to make a copyfile of the project in the project folder.
Call it project-b and try to open it. The advantage is that it has to reconform the audio and recalculate the transitions.The chance that it helps is minor but at least the project makes a clean start and you keep the original project as un unaffected reference.

If this does not work you can open the project within an ordinary html-editor or XML-editor and look what is wrong or cut it in parts to safe the good part (s). You can also use a unix editor.

May be it will safe a lot of work. And while working on a copy you cannot spoil anything.


PS For learning make three miniprojects
1. one with one clip and
2. one with two clips and .
3. one with a simple transition
and see how they are stored and try to distract one clip form the last one. That is all you need to know to divide your project in parts.

If you don't know where it goes wrong in yr big movie divide the movie in 2 equal parts and divide the bad part in 2 and so on. That is the fastest way to find the error. When it is found: cut it out, re-edit it and consolidate the good parts before and after that point within premiere.
Added music will be the most difficult thing in splitting I think.

Hi Ed,
thanks for your reply. I haven't had to deal with audio too much with my previous projects, so I'm a newbie in that department.

I will try what you suggested.

Thanks again

Premiere 6 question
 

I'm using an old Premiere 6 PC NLE and having problems. I needed to delete the last 1/4 of my project (copy I'm working on)because things got out of sync. I want to take the last 1/4 from the original, which is in sync, and copy that portion and then paste it into the copy project. How do I do that?

Thanks,

heath

one other thing, I can't open two projects at once, the original and the copy. I think that's why I can't get the copy and paste from the last 1/4 of the original into the last 1/4 of the copy.

HELP!

thanx,

heath

the source footage that's used for those quicktime movie trailers is full-on pro stuff... they better look good!

since there isn't any basis for comparison, wrt those movie trailers, you have to test the formats with your own source footage.

I thought u could import(but not open) projects (as After Effects can).
I may be wrong.

I don't use PRemiere at all, so can you explain a little more?

thanx,

heath

Havent used Premeire for a long while.
But in After Effects you can import one project into another like any other media e.g. quicktimes,pix, audio etc.
The imported project will nest in your new project in its own sequence and bin.

See if that works. (not 100% sure myself)

Try exporting the part you want as an avi. That will lock audio and video. Sorry... the best I can come up with.

I ended up importing the whole project, then deleting the stuff I don't need. Then, I moved over what I did need, praying that it wouldn't go out of sync, like last time. It didn't, thankfully. But, man, that's why I use FCP.

hwm

Got a trial version of Cooledit 2, and tried the "gliding stretch filter". That was just what I wanted.

The video is easier to slow down in chunks, since there are some scene changes anyway.

I'm surprised how well the audio quality is preserved btw.

Thanks for the help.

Hey Heath,

How long was your project?

P6 has been out for such a long time (4 years I think). So obviously there will be major differences between it and FCP. Plus P6 had a few to many bugs... Saying that I manged to work with it OK.

Premiere Pro has nested sequences, which would have helped you in this situation.

Cheers,

Yeah, we have a new monster of a Dell with Premiere Pro in it. That's cool.

hwm

Granted but if you look at the images in pro vs non-pro formats, like DV, where tape speed is one of the factors, there is a difference. Most of us will never see it. In fact, DV footage is sort of hyper-real anyway. Very sharp and defined, crisper colors with less gradient, etc.

Just saw last night, one of those 300 doctors shows on one of the cable networks is shot with Sony VX cameras. They got a shooter in one of their shots. Looks like a run and gun 2 camera affair.

Sean

Chosing codecs for exported movies
 

This may be a silly question, but if someone could enlighten me, I’d be grateful. Very often I need to to put together a few minutes of video (about a gigbyte, raw) and send it off to someone. I frequently get phone calls from people that the clips wouldn’t run on their computers, or DVD players, or that the download takes too long, or the playback is jerky, etc.
There are so many codecs and formats to choose from when deciding how to export from Premiere, some of very poor quality. Is there sort of an industry standard codec that most people use to share their work on CD or DVD that can be relied on to run on everyone’s equipment? Is there one that doesn’t compress the data too much? I don’t mean Internet distrubution, but media that you send via UPS or Fedex.
Thanks for any thoughts.

The BEST compatible format we have today is DVD-Video. This is
ALWAYS MPEG2 and it CAN look as good as a commercial DVD with
proper encoding and software. Keep in mind that this is NOT the
same as a DVD-Rom (or data disc) with some movie on it!

The problem with every other format like QuickTime / AVI / WMV
etc. is that not everybody has it installed or the latest codec.
The other universal format that truly every system can playback
is MPEG1 (with a .MPG extension). However, this is low resolution
(320x240) and will not look very good (it can look pretty decent).

So for looking at compatability first and then quality second I
would come to the this list:

1. DVD-Video (very good quality if properly encoded)

2. MPEG1 (.MPG) / VideoCD (medium quality if properly encoded)

3. Windows Media / WMV ((very) good quality if poperly encoded)

4. QuickTime Sorenson

Why do I place WMV above QuickTime? The reason is compatability.
You have a better chance that the target playback platform will be
a PC instead of a Mac.

What you can always do is include multiple formats! I delivered
a project to a friend of mine and it included the following discs:

1. One DVD+R as a DVD-Video
2. One SVCD (super video CD, not very compatible) disc
3. One VCD (video CD) disc
4. One CD-ROM with both AVI and QuickTime on it

It all depends on your options. But if your clients can playback
DVD then I would distribute in that format. If you want to be
safe you can send a DVD-R and a +R version for example.

Not everyone has a DVD player in the computer yet, so that's
why I choose to include a seperate CD for the AVI/QT files.

Web:
You could take the shotgun approach and *hopefully* the client can play one of them. Do Windows Media 7/8/9, Quicktime (sorenson3 + IMA/qdesign/MPEG4 audio), and MPEG1 for web. (I stay away from Real because the player tries to hijack your system) Dial-up users will likely have problems and should have something mailed to them.

If you're mailing something to them:

DVD- Use good media so you don't run into compatibility issues. see http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

VCD - This can play back on most DVD players. It will also play back on nearly all computers. You can author it with a autorun.ini file to get Windows machines to automatically open up the movie.

VHS - good ole VHS. Quality about the same as VCD.

I am not to sure what you mean. Do you wish to edit on your computer and then send the file you edited to another editor to finish it off?

If so then MPEG files will not be of any help. The reason being that an MPEG file is normally made up of IBP frames (GOP - Group of pictures), thus making it hard to edit accurately.

If you wish to exchange files with another editor then you would first need to find out what their NLE is capable of using. Generally speaking a standard Microsoft AVI file should do if you are both working on PC.

If you are looking at just showing your work then an MPG with the audio multiplexed would do OK when viewing on a PC.

Cheers,

Ed

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I'm suprised that time remapping isn't featured in premiere pro... anyways its very simple in after effects, chose layer then scroll down till you see "enable time remapping"... Just screw around and you'll get it...