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Rob Lohman November 23rd, 2004 06:38 AM

I don't see why this would not be possible. You can turn the
color sections into black and white. If you take careful consideration
with lighting when shooting and such it should be possible to
match the lighting and look.

Glenn Chan November 23rd, 2004 07:44 AM

If there are particular stills from the video you like, you could manually color them yourself (photographers used to do this to black and white photos).

Ed Smith November 23rd, 2004 08:31 AM

Hi eric,

Do you have adobe audition? If you do your best bet is to use that instead of premiere.

You'll be able to reduce it slightly in premiere. Just have a play around with some of the audio effects, you can of course add more than 1 effect to the audio if needed.

By noise do you mean hiss, or general background noise?

Thanks,

Pete Bauer November 23rd, 2004 09:04 AM

Hmmm. Stranger and stranger. Ok, this is getting pretty confusing so let's go back to the beginning and do a fault analysis as logically as we can manage via internet.

It SEEMS like only MS DV AVI is being affected? You can encode and then smoothly play QT, WMV, and AVI files that use other codecs, even at fairly high data rates (ie, high quality)? If I've understood correctly, that makes me think it is an encoding issue.

So, STEP 1: I partially agree with Dan that the other apps MAY be complicating things, so just for now, clean up your system so the fewest apps and services are running and for safety unplug your internet connection.

(Except for anything AOL-related, which I DO regard as junk, I think Dan was over-stating a bit about throwing your other software in the trash. I spent the better part of a weekend cleaning up a friend's computer that had THOUSANDS of viruses, adwares, spywares, etc that made it totally non-functional...she had a broadband connection without any firewall or anti-virus protection. We all MUST use firewalls and anti-virus software when connected to the internet. Just don't need 'em when our system is "clean" and we have the cable unplugged!)

STEP 2: If you're not 100% certain about the above, open your project and export high quality "final products" using:

- Export > Movie...
-- MS DV AVI
-- MS AVI (let's say, using DiVX codec since you have that one installed)
-- QT

- Export > Adobe Media Encoder...
-- WMV
-- MPEG (probably choose a high quality MPEG 2)
-- QT
-- (optionally) Real Media

- Plug your camera in with a blank tape, and do Export > Export to tape

If all the "final products" encode ok and then play perfectly in their respective player applets, except for the MS DV AVI and the Export to Tape, that confirms the problem is limited to either encoding or playback of the MS DV AVI codec, rather than a generic problem.

If the other format "final products" do also show choppiness, then there is a more generic encoding issue in PPro.

STEP 3: Re-import your MS DV AVI file that plays choppy into a new project in PPro. Go to a point where it is choppy and look frame-by-frame to see if consecutive frames are playing through properly in your PPro Monitor Window, or if frames are actually missing from what you had originally exported to create the file.

STEP 4:
IF frames were actually erroneously skipped during the original encode: There must be a bug in the Make Movie code that encodes your timeline to the final product. Assuming the issue isn't already addressed on the Adobe web site (I couldn't find it, but maybe you might have better luck), go to the Adobe website's Report a Bug page and let 'em know! That'll help all of us:

http://www.adobe.com/misc/bugreport.html

IF each frame that should be in the file is actually there on a frame-by-frame inspection of the problem MS DV AVI file, then it has to be a playback issue...for some reason some frames that do exist in the final product aren't being played back properly. Keep looking for system anomalies.

That sounds like a lot of work, but for a 30 second clip, it shouldn't really take all that long. I think that for us to be able to help you much more, we'll need specific answers to each step. It MAY be that if for some weird reason a particular codec (like the MS DV AVI codec) got corrupted during the install, you'll end up having to uninstall and re-install...but it is too early for that. Lots of questions to answer about the system!

BTW, how did a check of the DMA settings for your drives come out?

Whew!

Eric Chan November 23rd, 2004 10:58 AM

Hi Ed,

Thanks for your reply. Basically, I have an audio problem where there is a lot of interference generated by the wireless transmission, sort of like hiss.

I don't have audition, I can download the trail version and try it out. But what would I need to do in audition to fix the problem.

Thanks,

Dan Euritt November 23rd, 2004 01:29 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Ryan Krga : I'm rendering the video before playing it back so I don't see why this is happening. -->>>

why would you have to render a microsoft dv avi file? did you put a lot of effects to it? it still sounds like you are exporting a file that is uncompressed(too data intensive), or it is being virus-scanned in real time.

lets not confuse quality apps with junk apps... everything you listed is junk, it totally takes over your computer... what you want are simple apps that don't constantly go out on the internet and "phone home", for instance, or run a bunch of processes in the background.

get zonealarm, spybot, and possibly bitdefender for virus scanning... also go to blackviper.com and take a look at the winxp settings... if you do a control-alt-delete and count the number of background processes that are running, you should have maybe 25 or so running.

Jake Sawyer November 23rd, 2004 05:36 PM

I have a few dumb questions for you guys. First, I'm having trouble exporting my Premiere clips into Audition. I'm following the manual and clicking on the "Original Edit" option, but it only opens up in Windows Media Player instead of Audition. Also, is there a way just to export the segment of the clip you want to edit into Audition without having to export the entire clip? Because I have little segments from different clips that only last 30 seconds to a 1 minute and I don't want to edit the clip down again. Any help would be appreciated.

Daniel Fitzpatrick November 23rd, 2004 06:58 PM

Letter-Boxed Footage and 16X9 Footage
 
I am in the unfortunate position of having to work with footage taken on an AG-DVX100 in letter box mode (a 4:3 frame with the top and bottom cropped) with footage taken on a GL2 and an XL1-S in 16X9 mode. Of course, a seemless melding is the hoped-for result.

Any thoughts on the best way of approaching this problem? Reshooting is not an option.

Jiggy Gaton November 23rd, 2004 07:30 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jake Sawyer : I have a few dumb questions for you guys. First, I'm having trouble exporting my Premiere clips into Audition. I'm following the manual and clicking on the "Original Edit" option, but it only opens up in Windows Media Player instead of Audition. Also, is there a way just to export the segment of the clip you want to edit into Audition without having to export the entire clip? Because I have little segments from different clips that only last 30 seconds to a 1 minute and I don't want to edit the clip down again. Any help would be appreciated. -->>>

Jake, first i am not an expert on either tools but i remember I had to change my windows file associations to keep WMP from grabbing the avi first and there is another post here that describes the entire procedure for creating a mixdown for use in both Premiere and Audition, it's also in the Audion Help, search on Premiere and also Soundtrack. I am not finding that feature all that useful, as another way to do it is this:
1) export your short AVI clip from the timeline (export workarea).
2. import your short AVI into Audition (on a track in multitrack view)
3. edit the audio in edit view
4. export the clip back out with the new audio and replace in your Premier project.
I dont know if that helps or hurts but good luck!
jigs

Jake Sawyer November 23rd, 2004 07:57 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Jiggy Gaton : <<<-- Originally posted by Jake Sawyer : I have a few dumb questions for you guys. First, I'm having trouble exporting my Premiere clips into Audition. I'm following the manual and clicking on the "Original Edit" option, but it only opens up in Windows Media Player instead of Audition. Also, is there a way just to export the segment of the clip you want to edit into Audition without having to export the entire clip? Because I have little segments from different clips that only last 30 seconds to a 1 minute and I don't want to edit the clip down again. Any help would be appreciated. -->>>

Jake, first i am not an expert on either tools but i remember I had to change my windows file associations to keep WMP from grabbing the avi first and there is another post here that describes the entire procedure for creating a mixdown for use in both Premiere and Audition, it's also in the Audion Help, search on Premiere and also Soundtrack. I am not finding that feature all that useful, as another way to do it is this:
1) export your short AVI clip from the timeline (export workarea).
2. import your short AVI into Audition (on a track in multitrack view)
3. edit the audio in edit view
4. export the clip back out with the new audio and replace in your Premier project.
I dont know if that helps or hurts but good luck!
jigs -->>>

How do I export just the AVI clip? I only see a option to export the whole thing.

Jiggy Gaton November 24th, 2004 12:42 AM

<<<<<<-How do I export just the AVI clip? I only see a option to export the whole thing.<<<<<<<

jake, i assume u mean from premiere? easy peasy. adjust your workarea bars to surround the bit of project u want to export, on the export movie dialog click Settings, than select the option Work Area Bar under Range. there ya go!
jigs

Rob Lohman November 24th, 2004 06:02 AM

Reshoo.... ehrm, okay.

Well, you have two things you can do basically:

1. "convert" your 16:9 footage to 4:3 footage (creating a letterbox)

2. upscale your 4:3 footage to 16:9 footage

What is your output format? If it is DVD then it might be better
to go with option 2 to have it more easily work on 16:9 TV's.

HOWEVER, keep in mind that neither the XL1S nor the GL2 have
a true 16:9 mode so your not getting a resolution increase
anyway.

Personally I would go with option 1 (also the easiest to execute).
Simply create a 4:3 project and load up all your footage. You will
not have to touch the 4:3 footage, but make sure that "maintain
aspect ratio" is enabled for the 16:9 footage. Premiere should
then auto-letterbox it.

p.s. welcome aboard DVInfo.net Daniel! Good to have you with us.

Billy Dalrymple November 24th, 2004 08:19 AM

You may want to try the Low Pass audio filter as most hiss is typically in the higher frequency ranges. The Low Pass will filter out higher frequencies. Hope this helps

Jake Sawyer November 24th, 2004 11:27 AM

Re: Show Frequency Analysis
 
<<<-- Originally posted by David Yuen : You should try the Show Frequency Analysis in Audition (under the Analyze menu) to determine the frequencies of the person's voice and the bus.

You can try a high-pass filter (Effects -> Filters -> Scientific Filters) where your cutoff frequency is below the person's voice and above the bus hum. Your speaker being a female rather than a male gives you a better separation between the bus hum and the voice.

You can also try to boost the person's voice using some of the Audition presets in the Graphic Equalizer section. -->>>

Could you walk me through that process? I'm doing what you said to do, but I have no idea how and which way to tweak, adjust it. Also, I need help on reducing the hiss thanks.

Daniel Fitzpatrick November 24th, 2004 05:37 PM

Rob,

Thank you very much for that advice and the welcome to the DVInfo boards. I have been more a reader than a poster over the past year and a half.

I was going to reformat the 4:3 footage in a 16:9 project, but have now decided to go the other way, after reading your suggestion and doing some testing.

Dan

Steven Gotz November 24th, 2004 08:22 PM

Using Audition, you select an area of the timeline where there is nobody talking, just the noise. You use Noise Reduction to sample the noise in that area, and then you select the entire timeline and delete the noise. It is an amazing tool for motor noise or constant noise of most types.

Ryan Krga November 25th, 2004 05:22 PM

Dan,

I put multiple effects into the clip. That's why I'm rendering.

I run Spybot S&D daily. I update and run Norton daily, as well. My computer is virus free and spyware free.

I have 30 processes running in the background.

Stephen Jackson November 27th, 2004 05:27 PM

Highlighting a specific area in PPro
 
Hello all:

I'm looking for an option to highlight a specific area of a video other than using the track matte and motion settings.

I have a smal clip that I converted to B&W In this clip is a shot of a person walking and I want his shirt to be highlighted in color.

I used the track matte and motion settings but because the shirt shifts with the person, it's extremely hard to keep the shirt in color throughout the clip.

Is there another way to exclude all colors from a video clip except the shirt?

Thanks in advance for all assistance

Jonathan Nicholas November 27th, 2004 06:01 PM

Work with the clip in colour first, then - if his shirt is the only thing in the shot that colour, then use the colour pass filter to exclude all colours expcept the one you pick.

Jon

Trond Saetre November 28th, 2004 05:06 AM

To remove the hum from the bus, and the "common hiss," you can try the noise reduction in Adobe Auditon.

I have a tutorial of how to use that function. Found it when searching the net a while ago. Let me know, and I can email it to you. (about 4MB wmv file)

Mitch Buss November 28th, 2004 10:11 AM

Very elementary question but it is urgent
 
I am editing a short video for my church on Premier 6.0 and when I render it, I have no sound. What should I do to fix it? The video works great but I have no sound. Please help me out. Thanks

Mitch

Pete Bauer November 28th, 2004 11:35 AM

Been a long while since I used version 6.0, but I'll try to briefly address capture, timeline editing, and export...

Assuming that the miniDV tape has sound on it, make sure the capture window checkbox for Audio is checked, as well as video. I guess I'll also assume that sounds play normally out of your computer's speaker so we know there isn't a generic computer problem.

Once you know that you've captured both the audio and video, look on the timeline to see if you see a visual representation of the audio waveform. If so, Premiere knows that there is audio there. Make sure the audio track in the timeline isn't muted.

For exporting, you also need to make sure that both video and audio are selected. You can choose to export video only, audio only, or both.

Hope that helps.

Jake Sawyer November 28th, 2004 06:56 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Trond Saetre : To remove the hum from the bus, and the "common hiss," you can try the noise reduction in Adobe Auditon.

I have a tutorial of how to use that function. Found it when searching the net a while ago. Let me know, and I can email it to you. (about 4MB wmv file) -->>>

Yeah, that would be great. Email me at kelisis at hotmail.com

Trond Saetre November 29th, 2004 01:56 AM

Jake:

Email sent.

Mitch Buss November 29th, 2004 07:17 AM

Where do I go to to check the audio and video buttons for export?

Jonathan Nicholas November 29th, 2004 07:55 AM

When you go to export and you get asked for a file name, there is a "settings" dialog which you can click to give you a load of options.

Jon

Vance Osborne November 29th, 2004 06:26 PM

Real time Previews problems
 
Hi all,

I just got Premiere Pro 1.5... not too bad. However, I have a real gripe.
In my version of 6.5, I had great real-time previewing without any hiccups at all. I would just hit the "enter" key, and voila...transistions and effects, no hiccups.

Now, same computer (3gig cpu, 1gig ram) and when I hit the "enter" key, it *renders* for previews.
So, I hit the play button or the space bar, and it runs, but once I splice, or do an adjustment to the clip, it keeps rendering instead of doing real-time previewing.

Very frusterating...anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks...

Steven Gotz November 29th, 2004 08:00 PM

Space bar plays, Enter key previews. As designed. It should not render when hit the spacebar.

Josh Bass November 29th, 2004 09:24 PM

Premiere pro 1.5 sluggish, on all counts
 
I might be doing some editing work for a dude who uses Premiere, so I downloaded the 30-day free trial for the newest version.

It captures fine, seems to work fine, except that everything's real slow. When I play back video in the timeline, talkin' one layer, no effects, nothin' fancy, it's real choppy. Similarly, commands take a second or two to "take" after I press the appropriate button/click the mouse.

Is my computer underpowered for this software? I have An athlon 1600 XP+ processor (1 Ghz), a gig of RAM, the media on a separate drive from the program, and I can't think of what else you'd need to know.

I tried turning off all the background processes in XP Pro (my OS), still the same. The thing is, I have Vegas 4, which performs flawlessly, or at least as flawlessly as it ever did, no lag, regular framerates upon playback, etc.

What am I missing here?

James Emory November 30th, 2004 12:23 AM

Try this as well.

Click Project>Project Settings>General and then click the Playback Settings button to the right of the Timebase dropdown menu. Next, see what boxes are checked/unchecked in that dialogue box. These settings affect playback in the project as you will see.

Vance Osborne November 30th, 2004 01:54 AM

uhm...well, that was helpful :)

Anyhow, it is very choppy when it is previewing in real-time in Pro 1.5, but when I run 6.5 (same computer), it runs extremely smooth.
I find it bizzare and was looking for an explanation and hopefully a tweak/solution from someone...

Jonathan Nicholas November 30th, 2004 03:13 AM

I agree this is quite a slow app even with my pentium 4 3GHz - apparantly it is a system resource and power hungry application and there's not much you can do about it!

Jon

Steven Gotz November 30th, 2004 08:24 AM

Ah, that's a better explanation. I was hoping you would come back with a response.

There are quite a few things it could be. Premiere Pro uses an overlay on the screen, unlike Media Player. So it could be your video card, or just the video card settings. Do you have acceleration turned on?

Do you frequently defragment your video hard drive? Are you using a different drive for your video than your applications? Not just a partitioned drive, a separate piece of hardware? And do you have them both set to Master on different busses?

Also, do you reboot the PC often? The more RAM available to Premiere Pro, the smoother the previews. And the more often they are previewed, the better the RAM cache works. Sounds odd, I know. But hit enter and ignore the playback. Hit enter again and see if it looks better.

Also, when the screen is redrawing, the playback is poor. Set your tracks to NOT show the Picons and it will redraw faster. So you can preview sooner.

David Yuen November 30th, 2004 10:26 AM

System is probably underpowered
 
Adobe says your specs are above minimum, but when you look at their recommended specs, it is a bit under.

Right-click the monitor and select the display quality to be draft or automatic. That might help with the playback.

You should also follow the suggestions in this thread.

Vance Osborne November 30th, 2004 12:51 PM

Thank you for the response...I will give all that a go and see if I can smoothen it out a bit :)
I have 6.5, pro and pro 1.5 all on the same machine, and I can't understand why 6.5 simply doesn't need any mucking around. It is very nimble with real-time, but I have to play around with pro to get the same results.. grrr...

Jake Sawyer November 30th, 2004 10:09 PM

Thanks for the tutorials guys. They've really helped and I've eliminated almost all of my problems. It worked great on the bus hum also.

John Michael Harper November 30th, 2004 11:55 PM

premiere pro audio query: no sound
 
Experimenting with newly captured footage - there was sound during capture.

Now when I drop a clip into the preview monitor there's only sound when I scrub back and forth over the clip. Also no sound when dropping the clip into the timeline. Again, scrubbing works.

I messed with the audio and audio hardware settings, but am simply using my default Windows soundcard.

What am I missing? Thanks....

Rob Lohman December 1st, 2004 06:08 AM

Keep in mind that Premiere Pro 1.0/1.5 is far more resource hungry
and takes a much more powerful machine to work fast!

Steven: why do you say that WMP does not use overlay to
display video? Mine does here, as does every other media
player I have here (easily proved with a screen capture program)

Rob Lohman December 1st, 2004 07:22 AM

John: I've moved your thread to our dedicated Premiere forum.
However, there already is a thread running on this very same
topic, if you can please continue the discussion there:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=35595

Steven Gotz December 1st, 2004 07:30 AM

Rob,

Perhaps I am wrong. My media player did not have overlay turned on by default. Yet it is possible to turn it on.

Or, I may have yurned it off to capture the screen once upon a time and the new Media Player 10 used the older settings when I upgraded recently?


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