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Ian Slessor
August 25th, 2005, 12:56 PM
Hi Ed,

Yeah. I may misunderstand.

I have no problem with everything being appropriately linked.

I have more of an aesthetic concern.

As noted each submenu of four dances has all of the submenus listed at the bottom of the page. 1 to 4 5 to 8 etc.

When I return to any of the submenu pages it's the "1 to 4" link that is always highlighted. I was hoping that when I returned to, say, the "9 to 12" submenu that the "9 to 12" link would be the one that's highlighted.

A niggling thing I realize but then I'm a little... picky about my work.

Thanks again.

sincerely,


ian

Edward Troxel
August 25th, 2005, 01:21 PM
And if you change the setting I mentioned, THAT is what will happen. It specifies WHICH button is to be highlighted.

Ian Slessor
August 25th, 2005, 01:49 PM
My momma always told me to listen.

I should have listened to momma...

and Ed.

Thanks for the help.

sincerely,



ian

;-)

Matty Munson
August 25th, 2005, 02:09 PM
Hi, i bet this has been on this forum several times but i cant find it in the search.
Could someone please walk me through chroma key step by step? i can get started but i cant figure out how to get the picture i want instead of the removed color.
Thanks

Edward Troxel
August 25th, 2005, 02:16 PM
Track 1: Green screen clip
Track 2: New background clip

Add the chromakey effect to the clip on track 1 and use the eyedropper to pick the color of the background color.

Matty Munson
August 25th, 2005, 02:47 PM
so i cant ad my own image or video as the background then?

Edward Troxel
August 25th, 2005, 02:53 PM
Yes you can. That's what's on track 2!

Matty Munson
August 25th, 2005, 03:03 PM
oh *der*
Sorry misread your reply.
thanks

Mike Kujbida
August 25th, 2005, 04:02 PM
Keith Kolbo's article, "Chroma Keying DV in Sony's Vegas", at http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=31596 is an excellent tutorial.

Mike

Derek Weiss
August 25th, 2005, 04:46 PM
Just upgraded Vegas 4 to 6. Anyway, after reading the 400 pages of manual, I can't seem to find my likely simple answer.

Question: Why do all my effects only appear in half of the image?

Thanks in advance.

Jim Montgomery
August 25th, 2005, 04:50 PM
On the preview monitor there is an icon that switches "splt screen" on/off. Turn it off.

Derek Weiss
August 25th, 2005, 04:55 PM
Thanks, so simple.

Danny Santos
August 25th, 2005, 05:15 PM
Thank you for your responses. I will surely play with your suggestions and hopefully they will give me that smooth event change that I am looking for.

Brian, what do you mean by "quantize to frames" and what is hard cutting?

If i understand it correctly, that the little triangle in the upper corner should be dark blue when 2 clips are butted together. Should there be any overlaps like .1 seconds?


Thanks again!

Danny

Brian Kennedy
August 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM
A "hard cut" is probably not a real editing term, but what I meant was a cut from one clip to the next, rather than a cross-fade transition.

"Quantize to frames" makes the clips snap to the frame boundary grid when you move them. If you have your cut in the middle of two frames rather than right at a frame edge, it may render funny and that could be causing your problem. There is a button on your toolbar that turns quantizing on and off, and you can also toggle it with ALT+F8. You should keep it on when editing video, and can turn it off when doing the audio if you need to make movements of a fraction of a frame. It should be on by default, so it's probably not your problem.

Yes, the little triangles in the corner should be dark blue when the two video clips abut each other and you aren't cross-fading. If they are light blue, there is some fading in and out going on. Also, you might try a very quick cross-fade of just a few frames to see if that helps, too.

Scott Johnston
August 25th, 2005, 09:58 PM
Splendtastic

Thanks Edward

Dan Keaton
August 25th, 2005, 11:36 PM
I have done and extensive search for information on using Sony's Dynamic Noise Reduction but still need more information.

I assume that setting the threshold value to a lower number will cause the filter to perform more noise reduction. Is this correct?

I wish to use this filter to reduce the video noise generated due a very low light situation, and a high gain setting on the Canon Xl1s. Our video includes scenes of buildings that we set on fire for a movie. At first, there was very low light (high gain situation) and we had a lot of video noise. Later, as the fire burned brightly, we had enough light.

What are the trade-offs in using this filter? For example, if some of the events on a track have video noise, and others don't, and the filter is applied to the whole track, is there undesired consequences to the otherwise good video?

In general, what are the side-effects of using this filter?

Thank you for your assistance.

Chris Suzor
August 25th, 2005, 11:50 PM
I need to adjust the colors and contrast levels in 15 1-hr avi files, each with 10-20 scenes.

I have been using studio 9+, but after making adjustments scene-by-scene, there is a rendering error throughout, a deformation several pixels high and across the whole image, in the lower part of the images. Otherwise, usage was easy.

So before buying another software, I downloaded Vegas evaluation.

Can you provide some instructions for what I need to do?

I can open the avi, but the scenes are not detected... can I force Vegas to auto-detect the scenes, based on the time information within the avi?

How can I easily adjust the colors (mostly increase saturation) and contrast (mostly decrease contrast) scene-be-scene? (some scenes are in brigh sunlight, others are in shade or indoors, so all need slightly different adjustments, but within 1 scene there are no changes.)

I then need to regenerate the .avi (viewed on an LCD or with screen projector, from a computer)

Thanks in advance
Christophe

Scott Johnston
August 26th, 2005, 12:28 AM
Hey All,

I am currently making a Music Video and I am having some problems with the transitions.

I am using the dissolve fade through black transition.

When I place the tranistion in, most of them time it gets placed in properly with a good amount of overlap. But sometimes it doesnt overlap and just sits on the clip where the cursor is, and then when I drag it to overlap, it completely alters the lenght of the clip bringing the end of the clip to the start.

What I was wonderng, is if there is anyway to just alter the transition instead of adjusting the lenght of the clip

Thanks in Advance
Scott

Gary Kleiner
August 26th, 2005, 12:41 AM
Create the overlap first, then drop your transition on the overlap. If you don't need to see the transition dialog, hoild the shift key when you do this.

Gary

Scott Johnston
August 26th, 2005, 02:12 AM
Oh yep, I think it would be a wise idea in future to add transitions as I go along!

Thanks for the help Gary

Scott Johnston
August 26th, 2005, 02:29 AM
Sorry about the new thread guys.

I am just wondering when I am saving the information, where abouts do I type in the name of the audio ( song ) so that it will come up down the bottom when playing Windows Media Player

Eg.
UBA High Risk Music Video
Jupiter
(c) UBA 2005
Playlist 1...Now, Instead of it saying that, I need it to say that name of the song.

Any help?
Scott

Edward Troxel
August 26th, 2005, 07:19 AM
I can open the avi, but the scenes are not detected... can I force Vegas to auto-detect the scenes, based on the time information within the avi?

You will have to manually find the scene changes, place the cursor there, and press "S" to split. When capturing, Vegas can capture each scene to a separate file.

How can I easily adjust the colors (mostly increase saturation) and contrast (mostly decrease contrast) scene-be-scene? (some scenes are in brigh sunlight, others are in shade or indoors, so all need slightly different adjustments, but within 1 scene there are no changes.)

Look at the Color Curves and Color Corrector effects. Simply drop them on the clips and adjust as needed.


I then need to regenerate the .avi (viewed on an LCD or with screen projector, from a computer)

File - Render As

Edward Troxel
August 26th, 2005, 07:21 AM
File - Render As - pick the WMV format, click on CUSTOM, and now look at the LAST tab. Fill in as needed.

Bob Costa
August 26th, 2005, 10:53 AM
Everything LOOKS okay. When I plugged it in the first time I was not getting any sound, found I was plugged into 7/8 instead of 1/2. So I fixed that, then I fooled with it for a minute, turned 410 off and on, and then I was getting sound out of one speaker. Duh... I forgot to plug other speaker in. So I plugged other speaker in.

Now nothing works. When I select the Firewire 410 as the audio device in Vegas 5, I cannot even play the timeline. I start it and it just freezes on a single frame. When I switch back to Microsoft audio and onboard speakers, it works fine. I have rebooted everything, dropped and reconnected the 410, nothing seems to help.

M-audio driver 5.10.0.5009

Can someone please send me a clue, because I don't have one.

Graham Bernard
August 26th, 2005, 10:54 AM
Anything Vegas! Or anything will do us!


http://www.vegasusers.com/chat/login

Seeyah there!

Grazie

Glenn Chan
August 26th, 2005, 10:59 AM
Are you talking about Mike Crash's free filter?

Too much dynamic noise reduction means that you'll pickup motion artifacts. On things with motion, there'll be a ghost/trailing effect.

Dan Keaton
August 26th, 2005, 11:30 AM
Dear Glenn,

I am speaking of the Sony Dynamic Noise Reduction filter that comes standard with Vegas 6.0. I believe that it comes standard with Vegas since I do not remember adding or downloading any filters or plug-ins.

The information on the filter states that it was copyrighted by Mike Crash in 2004.

When I click on the ?, no help file pops up for this filter.

This filter has one slider, a "Noise Threshold" and the standard position is about 1/3 of the way to the right. Moving the slider to the left reduces the value.

Bob Costa
August 26th, 2005, 03:21 PM
Solved it. Firewire card issue.

Bob Costa
August 26th, 2005, 03:27 PM
I tried and tried using track EQ to find the frequency where this sound is happening, but maybe there is a better tool for cleaning this up. I also really need teh track EQ for other things. The speaker has a "TS" that is very pronounced on words that begin with S. Listen to the sample.

http://www.VeniceDigitalVideo.com/audio/PaulSample.mp3

All help appreciated, one of the last issues before I am done with this project.

Philippe Gosselin
August 26th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Yep , I did one in Vegas , check my website and you will see one at the end of my promo video. It was my first so my second one will look a whole lot better :)

Be prepared for an entire evenig , well in my case it didn't help that I was dealing with a difficult font but I am pretty sure you will spend a great deal of time on this.


Just remember , when outlining your text with bezier point , be very generous with them , drop as many points as youy can , it will come in handy when you remove them later

See ya


www.production24fps.com/english.php

Philippe Gosselin
August 26th, 2005, 03:39 PM
Hi all,


Don't know if it is OT but named it that way just to be sure.

Well I have an event in which I bezier out a gentleman , further on on the timeline he will move to the left of the screen and disappear. I want to use Pixelan for the dissolve but I only want it to affect the bezier section.


Any way to get it around so it behaves so?


Thanks

Phil

Matt McConnell
August 26th, 2005, 05:43 PM
Hello,

I have upgraded to a new computer recently and now Vegas and DVDA do not recognize the new DVD Writer, it is a NEC 3520A, and windows/ windows medial player recognizes it. The operating system is winxp sp2, the system is an AMD A64 3200+ on a dfi Nf4 ultra motherboard. Vegas is running fine, it just has a blank pull down box when i try to extract from CD. Same issue for DVDA when trying to burn a DVD.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Matt

Mike Kujbida
August 26th, 2005, 06:03 PM
The biggest problem is that Sony has always been painfully slow at upgrading DVDA's burner capabilities. I think you'll find that most folks (myself included) use DVDA to prepare the file but use another app (Nero, RecordNow, etc.) to do the actual burning.

Mike

Matt McConnell
August 26th, 2005, 06:21 PM
Thanks,

But I have the same recognition problem in Vegas when trying to grab music from a CD. Seems like it just doesn't recognize the hardware in either program.

DJ Kinney
August 26th, 2005, 07:07 PM
One way to fix this is to get Sony's Sound Forge. This is a really pro application that is nicely integrated with Vegas. It has every manner of filter and equalizer that you could want. It will fix your problem. The down-side is that it costs about $150 to $200, but I've found it to be worth the price, as getting really professional sounding audio is important to me.

Bill Porter
August 26th, 2005, 07:22 PM
I have searched my butt off and found partial answers here, on dvxuser.com, and in Barry Green's book/DVD, but I have some specific questions.

I'm making my movies to be watched on NTSC TV's from a DVD. I'm using Vegas 6.0, and I'm shooting 24PA most of the time.

1) By "24p timeline," do people mean I should be starting with Template set to NTSC DV 24p (720x480, 23.976 fps)? Or should I be starting in a NTSC Standard (or NTSC DV??) 720x486, 29.970 fps and changing the frame rate to 24.000 fps or perhaps 23.976 fps??

2) Do I set deinterlace method to Blend or Interpolate? (or 'None'? though that seems wrong)

3) Do I set it to deinterlace upper or lower field first - and why does it matter? (Or do I leave it at none/progressive, though that seems wrong... ?)

Thanks, hope this helps out more people than just me!

Mike Kujbida
August 26th, 2005, 08:14 PM
Sorry Matt. I missed that part in your original post.
The only time I 've seen what you're experiencing is when someone didn't have full administrator rights on the computer. Just taking a stab in the dark but could that be the case here?

Mike

Mike Kujbida
August 26th, 2005, 08:20 PM
If you have Vegas 6, it supports something called VST plug-ins. There's a free de-esser (the audio term for the problem you're having) for download at http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.php?item=2&subItem=5
called Spitfish. Hope it helps you.

Mike

Scott Johnston
August 26th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Thanks Edward,

However, I filled in everything in those spaces and it is the following
Clip:UBA High Risk Music Video
Author: UBA
Copyright: Jupiter 2005
Playlist: Playlist 1

I need somewhere to write the name of the song which is Mudvayne- Not falling but I can't find it.

Glenn Chan
August 26th, 2005, 10:28 PM
Video you put into Vegas can be:
interlaced (upper field first, AKA odd) -
interlaced (lower field first, AKA even) - i.e. DV; the lower field should be displayed before the upper field.
progressive

2- Let's say your Vegas project is set to progressive, because you want to make stuff for the web (progressive is correct for audiences viewing on computers).

Suppose you bring in footage shot on DV. Vegas will usually see that the footage is lower field first.

Vegas will want to de-interlace that DV footage so it matches the project settings. The de-interlace method is something you can set. Blend fields blends both fields together; interpolate discards one field and uses the other to make the progressive image; none makes Vegas not de-interlace the footage.

None is appropriate if you want to use Mike Crash's excellent de-interlace filter instead of Vegas' de-interlacing. Mike Crash's filter gives the most resolution.


Does that make sense?

Glenn Chan
August 26th, 2005, 10:33 PM
Dan: Not really sure if Vegas 6 installs it by default. I don't think it's worth worrying about anyways.

If anyone doesn't have it, they can google mike crash's website.

I believe the filter is donationware, so that could be a problem if Sony is adding their name onto it and not telling people that donations to mike crash would be appreciated.

2- Try cranking the filter to 30. You should see motion artifacts appear where there's motion. It's that ghosting/trailing effect.

Bill Porter
August 26th, 2005, 11:10 PM
Cool, that makes sense, thanks!

What about question 1 though? :)
about which Template and possibly frame rate to use to get smooth slow motion from 60i footage:

<<I'm making my movies to be watched on NTSC TV's from a DVD. I'm using Vegas 6.0, and I'm shooting 24PA most of the time.

1) By "24p timeline," do people mean I should be starting with Template set to NTSC DV 24p (720x480, 23.976 fps)? Or should I be starting in a NTSC Standard (or NTSC DV??) 720x486, 29.970 fps and changing the frame rate to 24.000 fps or perhaps 23.976 fps??>>

Thanks all

Edward Troxel
August 27th, 2005, 06:12 AM
Here is where you can find Mike's plugin:

http://mikecrash.wz.cz/


This plugin does NOT come standard in Vegas.

Brian Kennedy
August 27th, 2005, 08:45 AM
I use SF for audio, too, and it integrates nicely into Vegas. But doesn't Vegas have the "Multiband Dynamics" audio filter installed with it? If so, it has a good de-esser preset. Maybe this is something that was installed with SF, I'm not sure.

Dan Keaton
August 27th, 2005, 09:38 AM
Dear Glenn and Edward,

Thank you for the information.

Yes, I am using Mike Crash's plug-in. Sorry, but I just did not remember downloading Mike Crash's Dynamic Noise Reduction plug-in. After some research, I did discover that I downloaded the plug-in from Mike Crash's website.

Here are the results of my experience. I was really pressed for time and needed to remove the video noise for some of the scenes.

1. I had the entire moive on one timeline (one video and one audio track). I used the track fx to select Sony's Dynamic Noise Reduction, with a threshold value of 0. This eliminated a lot of the video noise. I rendered this to an AVI file.

2. I opened the AVI from Step 1 and applied the Dynamic Noise Reduction again (with a threshold value of 0). This second step worked wonders.

I assume that I have some side-effects from performing Steps 1 and 2, but I can find them if they exist. I do not have any visible ghosting or smearing.

I realize that it would have been better and safer to just apply the filter to the scenes that had the problem, but I did not have the time to do this on a scene by scene basis. The results were great.

We had the World Premiere of our movie, The Battle of Aiken, last night. The movie was well received, but we had a very friendly audience.

Bob Costa
August 27th, 2005, 04:20 PM
Thanks Brian, that's what I was looking for. Vegas does have "Multi-Band Dynamics" and I found the de-esser as an option. Works great.

Thanks to Mike and DJ too, I learned more. Since I got these BX8s and can hear better, I have all kinds of things to learn about audio.

Darryl Grob
August 27th, 2005, 08:46 PM
I've got this issue working with Sony Support. AMD 64 4800 dual core, etc, with the NEC 3250. There are no driver updates I could find. Neither V6, DVDA3, nor DVDA2 see the drive.

Meantime, I rip my CDs with WMP and burn my DVDs with Nero Recode (after authoring and "preparing" in DVDA3).

You'll find the odd post here and there about this drive and Vegas, no solutions I've found other than the workarounds.

Darryl

Giuseppe Palumbo
August 28th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Is it worth me getting 6? ive learned 4 pretty good and is it alot different and worth upgrading?

Edward Troxel
August 28th, 2005, 07:14 PM
Read my April 2004 newsletter to see the difference between Vegas 4 and Vegas 5. Then read the April 2005 newsletter to see the difference between Vegas 5 and Vegas 6. That should give you the major differences from 4 to 6.

Aaron Koolen
August 28th, 2005, 08:45 PM
As Edward said, read his newsletters. But if you're lazy and just want someone to tell you what to do - then yes, upgrade :). Not for 6, cause I think 6 is really a ripoff, but for 5.

Aaron