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Lorinda Norton
July 29th, 2005, 11:41 PM
Hi Ian,

You're on the "right track" in putting all the clips that need the same effects on one track. Now all you have to do is click on the track FX icon in that particular track (far left--track list). Same icon as what's shown in individual events.

Sorry if I didn't explain that very well, or if I didn't understand your request.

Edward Troxel
July 30th, 2005, 06:15 AM
Multiple ways:

1) Apply the FX to the TRACK
2) Apply the FX to the first event, copy it, select the rest of the events, and "Paste Event Attributes"
3) Apply the FX to the CLIP in the Media Pool

Dan Keaton
July 31st, 2005, 06:34 AM
I am editing a movie in which we have about 90 hours of raw footage.

Some footage consists of 1 hour clips, other tapes have many clips.

I am using the Media Manager in Vegas 6.0 and it has been very benefical.

In order to manage this movie project, I have many "Vegas Projects", usually one for each major segment of the movie. After these are complete, we will combine the individual projects into one timeline.

As I work through a 1 hour clip, I create subclips which are placed into an appropriately named Media Bin, which is part of one Vegas project.

Is there any way to:

1. Copy Media Bins from one Vegas Project to another?

2. See the subclips in Media Manager?

3. Create subclips so that they are visible in the Media Manager?

My limitation (possibily based on my current knowledge of Vegas) is that once I place a clip or subclip in one Media Bin in one Vegas Project, I can not use that Media Bin and its associated clips and subclips in another Vegas Project.

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions that you may have.

I do have a workaround. I open one Vegas Proejct which contains the Media Bins that I need, and then copy the clips to another instance of Vegas (which is in another window). I hope to find a better solution.

Bill Binder
July 31st, 2005, 09:35 AM
I've got some shots of a couple of signs that I'm putting in a video, and even though I was using a monopod, I'd like to just freeze one frame of the sign and repeat it for a length of five or six seconds so it looks like it was rock-solid on a tripod. I assume there must be an easy way to do something like this in Vegas? Anyone know how? (Also, I do NOT think I want to "capture" a frame to .jpg and use it because I don't think it'll look that great, but maybe I'm wrong on that?) Thanks in advance for your help...

Lorinda Norton
July 31st, 2005, 09:40 AM
Hi Bill,

Rather than try to explain it in my clumsy way, take a look at what Edward Troxel says. I tried it, and it works!

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=42048&highlight=freeze+frame

David Jimerson
July 31st, 2005, 10:19 AM
(Also, I do NOT think I want to "capture" a frame to .jpg and use it because I don't think it'll look that great, but maybe I'm wrong on that?)

You won't be able to tell a difference. Same resolution; same color (assuming you have your preview setting on "Best").

Edward Troxel
July 31st, 2005, 12:27 PM
No need to capture a JPG of the frame. Just add a velocity envelope and reduce the speed to zero percent at that point. Then 6 seconds later change the velocity back to normal. Follow the link Lorinda gave or look in the newsletter where I discuss how to change the velocity/speed of a clip.

Edward Troxel
July 31st, 2005, 12:31 PM
#1: Yes. Just open Vegas twice and drag any bins between the two projects.

#2/3: Both are essentially the same question and I believe that answer is NO.

Dan Keaton
July 31st, 2005, 04:05 PM
Dear Edward,

Thank you for your advice.

I opened two instances of vegas.

Then I adjusted the size of the windows and placement of the Project Media windows so that both were visible at once.

Then I attempted to drag and drop one media bin to the other Project Media Window. Initaily it did not seem to work, but when I hovered over the destination "Media Bins" header, it worked!

Further experimenting showed that we can drag and drop the "Media Bins" (the overall header) to the other projects "Media Bins" header. After doing this, the copied "Media Bins" appears as an additional bin under the original "Media Bins" header. Then I renamed the new header to reflect the source Vegas project for these media bins.



Thank you very much, this will be a great help!

Patrick King
July 31st, 2005, 05:18 PM
Let me up the ante for all Vegas users.

Download every single one of Edward Troxel's Newsletters. And READ THEM.

They are an education for free. Well written, great to have deskside the first time you try a new thing out in Vegas, and cover most of the things you'll routinely want to do. Edward, thanks for all you've done for us!

Then for that really odd problem, Edward and others here are a post away.

Bill Binder
July 31st, 2005, 08:01 PM
Thanks, you guys rule. Velocity envelope worked like a charm and was easy to implement. Doh! I should have thought of that myself...

Steven Davis
August 1st, 2005, 08:48 AM
http://www.cwol.com/software/sony-vegas-dvd-bundle.htm


I came across this and was wondering if this is actually the price. I didn't know if anyone has come accross this.

Edward Troxel
August 1st, 2005, 09:51 AM
Here's a similar page for comparison purposes:
http://www.videoguys.com/vegasvideo.html

Steven Davis
August 1st, 2005, 09:57 AM
Yeah, 550.00 is about average I suppose, hehe, except this suspicious price I found.

Edward Troxel
August 1st, 2005, 10:43 AM
The domain is registered to T-F Electronics and I couldn't find either name in resellerratings. I have no clue as to how legit they are.

Jeff Toogood
August 1st, 2005, 07:46 PM
Well maybe not nuts, but it really bothers me!!
I am all set to edit some stuff, bring in the clips and then Vegas has to build the peaks for all the clips and it takes forever!!!
What is it doing? Does it need to do this?
Is there any way for it to build the peaks right after it captures the footage?
If I bring in 3 1 hour camera clips it can take at least 10 minutes for it to build the peaks!!
Am I doing something wrong or is there an easier way?

Thanks

Mike Kujbida
August 1st, 2005, 07:59 PM
No Jeff, you're not nuts :-)
What Vegas is doing is creating the files for the audio waveforms (*.sfk) and it only does this the first time you load the file. Afterwards it's much faster.
It can be turned off (Options - Prefs - Draw waveforms and frames in events) but then you won't see the images or the audio file, just a blank white box. Personally, I'd rather put up with the wait.
And no, you can't do it right after capture.

Patrick King
August 1st, 2005, 08:19 PM
Jeff,

That brings up a good point about workflow that I've done for the last year or better and not really noticed why.

When I start a new project I usually have one or two large video/audio files that I edit down and then several (up to a few dozen) other resources like stills, lower thirds, overlays, etc.

I always open the largest files first in the Project Media tab so that it starts building the .sfk waveform. It will do this in the background while I search out the rest of the resources I think I will need and open them into the Project Media tab.

Gary Kleiner
August 1st, 2005, 08:31 PM
>Is there any way for it to build the peaks right after it captures the footage?<

Yes, check 'add captured clips to Media Pool' in the Capture Complete dialog before you hit Done.

Gary

Devin Eskew
August 1st, 2005, 09:36 PM
I don't think so, however strange things can always happen. When you render is "render lopp region only" selected? Its a very small box in the lower left.

Ben Lynn
August 1st, 2005, 09:50 PM
Make sure that the upload to the site is completing. If you use a web interface for the transfer it won't be very accurate on the upload indicator. Use an FTP program for better results. I recommend WS FTP Pro.

Ben Lynn

Mark Duckworth
August 2nd, 2005, 01:50 AM
Hello, I am having a problem with Vegas 6.0b. When I attempt to load a particular .veg it starts loading and when it gets to 10-12 percent loaded Vegas shuts down my machine. It is a very weird shut down though. Its halfway between being in standby mode and shutdown. Both my monitors are switched off, my dvd-rom whirs a little bit like its trying to read a disk and then nothing. But my computer is still on. The standby light isn't flashing and when I press the button to return from standby nothing happens. This is the first time I have had this problem. I uninstalled Vegas then reinstalled it. Still the same problem. I recently installed Soundforge 8 and Acid 5. I dont know if this could be causing the problem. This .veg file has opened fine before. This project is using proxy media from Gearshift in place of the .m2t files. There is 1 Video Track and 2 Audio Tracks. The video track is the proxy NTSC 720/480 16:9. 1 audio track is pcm stereo and the other is mp3. I took about an hour of video and edited down to about 8 minutes. Because I couldn't open the file Itried to make another one exactly the same. When I was just about finished and was about to save for the last time Vegas did the wierd shutdown thing agian before I could save and now I can't open that second file either. I am using an NEC Laptop Pentium 4M 1.8GHz.1 gig of Ram. I already tried the sony forums and there was nothing to help me and I haven't seen anything like this on this forum either.If any one has any suggestions or advice it would be great. Thank you in advance.

Graham Bernard
August 2nd, 2005, 03:50 AM
"Hello, I am having a problem with Vegas 6.0b. When I attempt to load a particular .veg it starts loading and when it gets to 10-12 percent loaded Vegas shuts down my machine."

Have you got stills in it a lot of stills?? Are they BIG jpgs?

Anyway, first off copy it to another directory/folder/drive and rename it within Windows - see if that helps.

Grazie

David Ennis
August 2nd, 2005, 08:30 AM
And Jeff, if those three 1 hour clips are from a mulitple cam shoot, the audio graphics can be extremely useful for synching the clips. Worth the wait in my book.

Thanks for that tip, Gary.

Glenn Chan
August 2nd, 2005, 09:17 AM
Good thing you aren't using Final Cut...
(It's so much slower in FCP.)

Kevin Red
August 2nd, 2005, 12:28 PM
Maybe it is Vegas 6.0b can someone tell me how to use or render HDV as a cineform AVI?

Don Meers
August 2nd, 2005, 02:40 PM
Im wanting to view a true 16x9 avi created in vegas5, on my media player (real)
All im getting is a 4:3 playback.
Shot on xl2 set to 16x9
set to dv widescreen for properties
set to dv widescreen for render
preview is in 16x9

any suggestions?

Miguel Lopez
August 3rd, 2005, 11:36 AM
hello. I don´t know what HD codec should i use.

I am going to digitize HDCam footage (25p). And i want to edit it on vegas6. I find these templates:

- MPEG2: HDV codec (i guess this is bad because resolution and compression)

- MPEG2: HD 1080 25p ?????????????

- AVI: HDV 1080 50i intermediate ????????

- AVI: HDV 1080 50i YUV ?????????????

- AVI: HDV 1080 25p YUV (GearShift) ??????????

- QUICKTIME: custom template using 1920x1080 25p and JPG compression at 100% (i find this easy to use, gives a very good quality and the file size is quite small)


So what do you think it will be the best codec to use? I will have a very good PC but not an HD acceleration board or so. After i have the files i will make an offline editing first.
COuld anyone explain the main differences and characteristics of the codecs?

thanks

Greg Jacobson
August 3rd, 2005, 04:12 PM
just as good to me as the individual frame before the conversion. I was under the impression that converting to 24p made the individual frames softer. So I am pretty happy with this.

So now if I want to load the 24p file into Premeire Pro do I set it up as a 24p project or can I edit it in a 29.7 project? I know that inside Vegas the project automatically changes to a 24p project after you run it through Ultimate S but Premeire Pro only has a 24p setting for the DVX.

Matt Brabender
August 3rd, 2005, 05:19 PM
I don't know why but I have a vegas project which leaves one particular avi offline.
It's in the original folder and it plays in media player so there's no problem with the actual file.

But I can't work out how to bring it back online.

I tried shifting it to another folder so vegas would prompt me to search for it. I specifiy where it is, vegas seems happy with that and then it proceeds to open the project and still leaves that avi offline.

can someone please help me get this file online?

---correction---
it's seems the avi file has become a sound file, even though it is still an avi file.
wtf?
the pc says it's an avi, but media player and vegas treat it as a sound file. What would caust this and how do I fix it?

Peter Jefferson
August 3rd, 2005, 11:01 PM
AVI: HDV 1080 50i intermediate ????????

- AVI: HDV 1080 50i YUV ?????????????

- AVI: HDV 1080 25p YUV (GearShift) ??????????


YUV is prolly the best of thr bunch though.. ask DSE, hes got a nice little configuration happening with YUV which I read on another forum.. Im lazy, i use the cineform HDV codec which is an AVI

Eric Lagerlof
August 4th, 2005, 12:21 AM
I just downloaded a trial version of Vegas 6 to try with my FX-1. Following the settings in the program, I cleared the external capture in options>video and adjusted settings in the internal capture window, where I got the FX-1 listed in the drop down device selection box. But the capture window remains blue with an 'unloaded' message. Turn the camera off, it says, correctly, 'device not available'. Turn the camera back on and the unloaded message appears. (And yes, there is a tape, playable, in HDV format in the camera). Any ideas?

Peter Jefferson
August 4th, 2005, 01:34 AM
is the cam in vcr mode? stupid Q but it has to be asked..

John Rofrano
August 4th, 2005, 05:55 AM
I am not familiar with Premiere Pro (I’m a Vegas user) but once you have run the footage through Ultimate S it is now 24p footage. So I would imagine that in Premiere Pro you would do best to set up a 24p project so that it doesn’t Telecine the footage (‘cuz it might not do as good a job as Vegas does).

~jr

John Rofrano
August 4th, 2005, 06:10 AM
The MPEG2 HDV codecs are what the HDV camera uses but are difficult to edit with because they use a GOP of 15 frames which means your PC has to do a LOT of work to render any frame which is not an I-Frame (which is only one out of every 15)

The “intermediate” codecs are the CineForm codecs and a good balance between quality and size. These do not take a lot of computer power to work with but it is certainly more than DV requires so you still need a fairly new computer. (which it sounds like you have)

The “YUV” codecs from Sony are exceptional quality but they take more computer power than the intermediate codecs. These should be used if you are going back to DVCAM. If you’re final format is DVD then the intermediate codecs are also a good choice. If you are going back to HDCAM then MPEG2 HDV is the best choice but will be difficult to edit.

It looks like you also have GearShift installed. For the highest quality, you can capture MPEG2 HDV and render a DV Widescreen proxy with GearShift to edit with. Then swap the proxy out with the original footage for your renders.

You choice ultimately depends on what your delivery format will be.

~jr

Miguel Lopez
August 4th, 2005, 06:18 AM
Thanks.

But why do you say mpeg2 HDV will give me more quality.

I will shot on HDCAM which is better than HDV in size and color. So why downconvert to HDV?

Right now i think the easiest and most compatible way of doing it is to ask for a conversion from HDCAM to quicktime at HD res and jpg compression at 100%. Then, having these files on my pc, downconvert to DV, edit an offline project and then swap the files with the quicktime HD files. Then render the entire project at HD quality (it will take a while, but that is not a problem) and finally a transfer to film.

John Rofrano
August 4th, 2005, 07:08 AM
Sorry, I missed the fact that you were shooting HDCAM. YUV is probably a good choice then. It is Sony’s codec and works well in Vegas. I don’t know how well Quicktime works with Vegas. I’ve never used it.

~jr

Edward Troxel
August 4th, 2005, 07:17 AM
The only time I've seen a clip go "offline" when it really wasn't, simply exiting and restarting Vegas solved the issue. You might want to try a full reboot and see if that makes a difference.

Glenn Chan
August 4th, 2005, 08:35 AM
In my experience Quicktime DV is slooow in Vegas. Your mileage may vary.

I think it would be easy to output a quicktime HD clip from Vegas and test your system's speed.

2- If you want to use Vegas, perhaps your best bet is to capture on your Vegas system with the Sony YUV codec (no compression I believe). You will however need to figure everything out, and you'll need a Decklink card and a really fast RAID array (check the Blackmagic recommendations).

Once you have the footage captured you should be able to use gearshift and edit with DV proxies.

I have no idea if that setup works. I'm not sure of anyone editing uncompressed HD on Vegas... you might want to try on the Sony forums too.

Eric Lagerlof
August 4th, 2005, 09:42 AM
Yes, it is in VCR mode, but thanks for checking. As one who has done lots of live show work, I know that 'Dummy Checks' are never really stupid! One thing that may effect this though is an error message for the media manager; something about my "sql something-or-other not having privleges". So Vegas installed ok but no the media manager. Considering all the hoops with the latest direct x and net framework downloads that i had to go through, it's kind of a drag.

Lorinda Norton
August 4th, 2005, 10:15 AM
What about deleting the file and recapturing? Sometimes I'll open a Vegas project just to have an error pop up telling me that Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to shut down. All I can figure is there's a corrupt file in there, because if I delete them and recapture it goes away.

I don't know; might not be at all related to your dilemma.

Fred Foronda
August 4th, 2005, 12:12 PM
i'm using vegas 4..don't laugh..vegas 6 is still out of stock on bhphotovideo.com
i usually scan my pictures. but i have pictures that was shot on a digital camera. loaded into hard drive, open it in vegas and plot them on the time line. when i go to preview them it looks fine. but when its rendered to avi and play it on wmp 9 it looks like crap. can someone tell me what i am doing wrong?

thanks

Edward Troxel
August 4th, 2005, 12:28 PM
Vol 1 #8 of my newsletter has an article on doing slide shows. The basics are:

1) Set Match Aspect
2) Reduce Interlace Flicker
3) Render at BEST

Fred Foronda
August 4th, 2005, 02:07 PM
Vol 1 #8 of my newsletter has an article on doing slide shows. The basics are:

1) Set Match Aspect
2) Reduce Interlace Flicker
3) Render at BEST


holly smack...a vegas guru. sorry but i'm still a newbie. i'll bookmark your forum. thanks a million!!!

Kevin Red
August 4th, 2005, 08:42 PM
Someone throw me a freakin bone. Am I does it not come with a cineform codec

Bobby Bowers
August 4th, 2005, 11:35 PM
Ok here's my problem! I just got a brand new GL2 last week, I was previously using GL1. I took it out of the box, and was ready to rock I went and did the job a two day shoot I got home, and was prepared to start capturing video hooked the cam up, I'm using Vegas 6 I went to capture video, and could only see the video I got no audio so, I unplugged the firewire left the cam on VCR, and hit play I can see the video, and hear it. I then hooked up the GL1 went to capture I can see the video, and hear it I unplugged the GL1, and hooked up a VX2000 I can see the video, and hear it so I'm stumped. I did what I thought would be the next best move I called Canon, alot of good that did me! No answers. I now have the GL2 back in the box, and am getting ready to send it back, but I'm not a 100% sure if there is something wrong with it. Somebody please help me! I am in GL confusion...

Thank You,
Bob Bowers

Declan Smith
August 5th, 2005, 12:12 AM
Hi all

I have three questions relating to capturing within Vegas, all SD DV.

1. I have some footage from an XL2 recording with 4 channel sound. I haven't found a way yet to capture this using vegas and present all 4 channels. Any ideas ? (Currently I use scenalyzer).

2. Is there a 'vegas' way to fast index tapes (in a similar way to scenalyzer) .

3. Are all capture programs equal when capturing DV AVI files ? In other words, is there an advantage to using Vegas to capture from a Codec point of view ?

Many thanks
Declan

Matt Brabender
August 5th, 2005, 12:57 AM
Thankyou for the suggestions.
I'll have to wait until next week before I can try (it's on my work computer).

Matt Brabender
August 5th, 2005, 01:02 AM
3. As far as I'm aware, it's just a transfer of information if you are caturing as dv avi so which program you use should not matter, unless you capture using somthing like canopus dvstorm which will make it a reference avi

Kyle Ringin
August 5th, 2005, 01:26 AM
I think you render to avi and select the relevant HDV intermediate template (can't quite remember though - also I don't use HDV so I haven't actually used it, just played with it) you can check the description box or customise dialog as it'll say it uses the cineform codec.

I'm not sure, but I think it's a cut down version or something as it doesn't give you the options to set quality vs size.

David? (maybe this should be in the Cineform area?)