But with Vegas Pro 12 (not 11) and VMS 13 you will also find the first XAVC/XAVC-S encoder that allow the rendering of 4K to XAVC/-S. That works fine here - and I have tested that both with Z100 but also AX1 footage.



Edius Pro 7 also offers support for XAVC/-S. More and more editing platforms will offer this support over time.

Here we go...it's started: unboxing and some videotests.

SONY FDR-AX100 review - YouTube

Thanks Jan for sharing the link. Looks like Rolling shutter is bad only in 4K mode. I guess it's not scanning the chip fast enough. In 1080P mode it looks great just like any new camcorder released. The auto-focus did seem to work slow, hopefully that's a setting in the menu and just not the standard speed. The DSLR was lightning fast in comparison. I wish I spoke Japanese to understand him but I'm happy about my pre-order. Can't wait to utilize the cam on paid jobs. 4K when the cam is on a tripod or lightstand or for personal projects. I like what I see here.

Looks like Rolling shutter is bad only in 4K mode. I guess it's not scanning the chip fast enough.
That's strange, because it's the same sensor that's in the RX10, which scans at up to 4Kp60. I would think that if it could do 60p, the read/reset time must be fairly good.

I've never seen anyone shake a camera so much during its first test run. Very weird. I think during the 'shake & bake', you're also seeing some interaction with the OIS. I still don't think this is a realistic test for real world use...at least not how I shoot.

The focus speed seems about what it is on my RX10. It's not lightning fast, but it doesn't tend to hunt. I think I'd rather have a slightly slower lock on rather than one that hunts. With that said, I've always found my Canon camcorders were the fastest and most accurate focusers.

Excuse me how, I've got take some Dramamine after watching that.

That's strange, because it's the same sensor that's in the RX10, which scans at up to 4Kp60. I would think that if it could do 60p, the read/reset time must be fairly good.
The RX10 scans upto 4kp60? I thought that was a 1080p camera.

Ken the shakes were very extreme but when he tried it in 4k 30p there was a weird wobble going up nd down which i only seen in Canon and Nikon dslrs that had bad rolling shutter. Easily one can work around it but it seems to be pretty prevalent in 4k mode. I noticed it a little bit in the cat video but wrote it off. Now I see it clearly. Still a good buy nonetheless.

Yeah Monday, I'm not overly concerned, but yes it was more prevalent in 4K. But I still don't know why someone would shake the camera to that extent. Would he really shoot video that way? I'd like to see how it behaves with normal pans.

As I've said before, my biggest concern remains the OIS and how effective it is. I'm hoping it's better than what exists in my RX10. The 10 is a great camera, but the OIS could be better.

Regarding the RX10 scanning 4Kp60, I'm not sure what Larry is referring to.

Regarding the RX10 scanning 4Kp60, I'm not sure what Larry is referring to.
Actually, I misspoke. The RX10 supposedly scans the entire sensor (no line-skipping or binning) at up to 60p, then down-samples to 1080p via the Bionz X.

It's very frustrating here in Aus.

Someone in Japan has theirs already, while Sony Australia don't even have it listed as SOON, let alone order it anywhere!

(Grumpy!)

Vaughan

It's very frustrating here in Aus.

Someone in Japan has theirs already, while Sony Australia don't even have it listed as SOON, let alone order it anywhere!

(Grumpy!)

Vaughan

Nor Sony New Zealand. Not a word on their website. I believe Sony New Zealand and Sony Australia are one and same and they ain't Sony, or should I say they are Sony in name only. I've more or less given up on those people and order elsewhere. Yes, I know I might miss out on a warranty related situation but thus far that has never happened, and the nature of the warranty is getting meaner and meaner so as not to be a big deal anyway.

Whoever, whatever they are down in this neck of the woods Sony isn't what it was, and if things keep heading in this direction you can forget the so-called Sony Consumer Division down here.

Judging by the last two videos I have seen, rolling shutter doesn't seem as bad as I originally thought. (the instability of the "cat" video on the web made me nervous)

I'd say that rolling shutter on the AX100 might be about the same as a typical DSLR and it seems like it should be reasonably manageable. I think the RX10 does a great job at reducing it.

I suspect that the Jell-O level of the AX100 is really exactly where Sony wants it for the $2,000 price point.

Remember that Sony wants to keep it's top paying and mid level paying customers far away from this "Handycam". Sony wants those customer's money to go into upper models. And for those, Sony will reduce the rolling shutter Jell-O. (yes, Sony will make you pay extra for that)

Some people call that "conspiracy theory". It's really not. It's how these cameras are designed and market planned right from the initial blue print phase. It's nothing new,...car companies do that every year with all their models. They all slice and dice features between their models very very carefully and then up-sell you. It's done by ALL the camera companies and a crucial part of their success.

I'm excited to pick up the AX100. My only thoughts now are what Sony has has planned in a couple weeks for NAB. We are certainly going to get more cameras announced.

What will they add to the possible AX100 "pro" big brother? XLR handle for sure,...but what else? Sony will need to add about $1000 more features to the cost of the AX100.

It's been a very interesting year already.

CT

Clips are beginning to show up. This was apparently shot at dusk, so lighting wasn't good. Still, not bad.

(FDR-AX100)4K Sample - in-vehicle camera test ????? - YouTube

Very nice detail, but this one illustrates my concern regarding the OIS.

FDR-AX100 4K????? ???? - YouTube

One more, outdoors with a kitty:

SONY?FDR-AX100???4k???cat animal - YouTube

This guys videos all have some sort of twisting wobble as he walks.
FDR-AX100 ?????????? - YouTube

Another thing is that none of these videos look as sharp at 1080p as the french cat video. It will still be great for how I shoot. I'll shoot anything action in 1080 60p and the tripod stuff at 4k. I want to see how goot the still you can pull from 4K video too. I want mine now !!!

I'm hoping to get some macro shots in 4K like this one from my old TM90
HDC-TM90 & DCR250 test 1080p - YouTube

he is not walking he is riding his bike you cn hear the tires on the pavement :)

Finally Nightshot ! I miss this feature on all my camping trips. I was just thinking I'll be out camping with it in 4K mode and I'll see bigfoot and my footage will be more shaky than the Patterson film lol.
(FDR-AX100)4K Sample - Night Shot test ???????? - YouTube

Joey, I was actually thinking the opposite. On my display they're razor sharp, perhaps sharper than the French video. But he does have that annoying twist as he walks. It may be his particular gait. I've never been much good with 'walking videos' either as they never really look like what you'd get from a Glidecam.

Here's another of his...very sharp:

FDR-AX100 ?????????? 3 - YouTube

You know what Ken I'm watching these at work on a crappy PC monitor so I'm sure that's a huge difference.

Does Youtube still do their post-processing image stabilization? I think that maybe what I've seen pronounced in this cat video that was just posted and the kitchen video posted yesterday. The building and the road shots didn't show any sorts of weird motion/severe rolling shutter. Will get mine next week. Can't wait to play with it.

Joey, I was actually thinking the opposite. On my display they're razor sharp, perhaps sharper than the French video. But he does have that annoying twist as he walks. It may be his particular gait. I've never been much good with 'walking videos' either as they never really look like what you'd get from a Glidecam.

Here's another of his...very sharp:

FDR-AX100 ?????????? 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ8nLHkSgV8)

Look at the tarmac in the street @ 0:15 till 0:20 sec in full screen....something weird going on there....

Jan, not seeing anything out of the ordinary on my monitor.

Here's a more stabile walking video and it's also done at night. It looks like the AX100 has accurate focusing without hunting, even though it may not be the fastest. Also nice detail at night.

FDR-AX100??????4K - YouTube

One more. Very nice detail with some beautiful colors in the distance.

FDR-AX100 ????? (1) 4K?????? - YouTube

The dark sky above the city skyline and the metal structure along the highway seem to have more noise than I get with similar lighting conditions with my 1080p Sony CX760V. Does it seem a little noisy to anyone else?

I know my claim that it is noisier than my CX760V isn't particularly valid since I didn't shoot the exact same scene with the same exposure settings to do a valid A/B comparison. I'm just going by what I am used to seeing when shooting city skylines at night, which is one of my main video interests.

Hopefully this isn't characteristic of the AX100. I want one and am hoping there are no major flaws. Haven't seen any yet in the recent videos posted, but this one has me a little worried. But the noise isn't so bad as to be a deal breaker.

I think it will be fine Dale. Remember that YouTube compression can also add lots of apparent noise in scenes like this. Unless we have the native file, it's difficult to say this was camera noise as opposed to compression artifacts from YouTube.

We'll know before too long.

Thanks, Ken. It very well could be YouTube and not the camcorder.

I'm looking forward to being able to see actual footage directly out of the camera when those who pre-ordered get theirs and start shooting and posting. Hopefully within a week or so.

Some beautiful color & clarity from this night shot. I suspect, based on this video, the native clips are very clean. Truly amazing that something this small puts out this kind of video!

BTW, even though the first frame that shows here is the same as the other video I posted, it's a totally different clip. I'm not sure why the posted frame is the same.

FDR-AX100 テスト撮影 (2) 4Kãƒ�ンディカãƒ*　夜景編 - YouTube

translated text from the above video:

FDR-AX100 test shot (2) 4K Handycam hen night view

To perform cut editing in Sony Movie Studio Platimum the XAVC 4K taken by FDR-AX100,
and conducted youtube write in 4K resolution.
Active mode ON, image stabilization has been walking normally.

Edit: the file/stream properties are 3840x2160 - 23,97 p with ~ 17,8 Mbit/sec

Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC : Nein
Format settings, ReFrames 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 2min 58s
Bit rate : 17,7 Mbps
Width : 3 840 Pixel
Height : 2160 Pixel
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : variabel
Frame rate : 23,976 FPS
Minimum frame rate 23,974 FPS
Maximum frame rate : 24,590 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : progressiv

First indoor close-up I've seen at 2160p:

SONY FDR-AX100 4K?????????? - YouTube

there are a lot of AX 100 files from "misodo" on Youtube in the last day...
the person shot and load up faster, as I can download ....*g*

misodo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/beyondthecoastcom)

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SONY FDR-AX100 4K動画テスト 120p ハイフレームレート撮影 : SONY FDR-AX100 4K動画テスト 120p ãƒ�イフレーãƒ*レート撮影 スãƒ*ーå†�生 - YouTube
translated:
It is to those exported by editing length of 5 times to (24p) in Movie Studio Platinum attached what 4K camera of Sony, was shot in 120p FDR-AX100.

Select the image quality and image size from the Menu first, the method of 120p high-speed shooting, and then changed to "XAVC S HD" the recording method. Then it is OK to select the shooting mode from the Menu, by selecting a high-speed recording.
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hmmm... is the 120p feature now real including in the FDR-AX100 ??
In the european Sony-sites under specifikations... I found it not ...

in the past it gives (a short time) a official Sony video how tells this
but this was imho soon again removed ..

please, excuse my "gibberish" english ... it is not my native language
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friendly greetings ... Hans

I think the 120P is 1280x720 so slowed down to 24P in edit. Of courses YouTube will then convert to 30P !!!

Ron Evans

I think Ron is correct, that it's 720p, so it's not nearly as sharp as 1080 or 4K... but 120fps continuous shooting even at reduced quality might be another handy feature to have! I know that was one of the things with the FZ200 that seemed like it might be kinda cool, even if I didn't have an immediate use.

The short high frame rate clips that Sony has historically let you shoot were also lower resolution, AND they were SHORT, at just a few seconds! Sort of useless because of the short duration, a continuous clip would be far more practical!

Here is one of the AX100 that impressed me. When the guy is following the little girl around, the camera never looses focus. (Of course he may have edited out sections where it lost focus. (I saw some GH4 videos where the camera lost focus and had to re-focus several times. That concerned me about the GH4. It was a pre-production model, so maybe the production model and firmware will be better in that regard.)

The shots in the house/apartment in this video are bright and evenly lit. I wonder if he used video lights? Or maybe the AX100 produce can produce bright, clean video indoors?


Sony FDR AX100 Video test - YouTube

For whatever it is worth, Amazon USA is claiming a release date of March 21 with a note warning about short supply...

--Darin

The shots in the house/apartment in this video are bright and evenly lit. I wonder if he used video lights?

Sony FDR AX100 Video test - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS_zcGKgXsU)

You can see a flat panel light in front of the cardboard box dolls house and I wonder if there is one somewhere shooting up at the ceiling. It is the best video so far of the FDR-AX100. Similar characteristics I have found with my FDR-AX1 in that downscaled 4K is better than 1080P. Not sure how he downscaled though but with Edius Lacsos3 it is very nice. Not sure if the motion blur in places is because of 30P or YouTube !!!

Ron Evans

there are a lot of AX 100 files from "misodo" on Youtube in the last day...
the person shot and load up faster, as I can download ....*g*

misodo - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/beyondthecoastcom)

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SONY FDR-AX100 4K動画テスト 120p ハイフレームレート撮影 : SONY FDR-AX100 4K動画テスト 120p ãƒ�イフレーãƒ*レート撮影 スãƒ*ーå†�生 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vb51LMr4co)
translated:
It is to those exported by editing length of 5 times to (24p) in Movie Studio Platinum attached what 4K camera of Sony, was shot in 120p FDR-AX100.

Select the image quality and image size from the Menu first, the method of 120p high-speed shooting, and then changed to "XAVC S HD" the recording method. Then it is OK to select the shooting mode from the Menu, by selecting a high-speed recording.


I asked this guy if it was a burst mode but he said he filmed for over 20 seconds, If it is continuous that will be awesome.

Has anyone seen if it is a touchscreen auto focus?

For whatever it is worth, Amazon USA is claiming a release date of March 21 with a note warning about short supply...

--Darin

Not sure if that date is going to be met. I have it on order with them and it was placed on the first day ordering was available. I had also anticipated picking it up at a Sony Store (which ever got it in first).

But what's unusual about Amazon is that there is still no ETA from them and they're only saying they still can't get an accurate fix on the delivery date. What's more interesting is that none of the Sony stores have them and I've been told they're not even in the warehouses. So there seems to be some delay going on.

With the RX10, I picked it up in a Sony store on the exact day of its release. So this is certainly different and I'm not sure if it's due to short supply or not.

Here is one of the AX100 that impressed me. When the guy is following the little girl around, the camera never looses focus. (Of course he may have edited out sections where it lost focus. (I saw some GH4 videos where the camera lost focus and had to re-focus several times. That concerned me about the GH4. It was a pre-production model, so maybe the production model and firmware will be better in that regard.)

The shots in the house/apartment in this video are bright and evenly lit. I wonder if he used video lights? Or maybe the AX100 produce can produce bright, clean video indoors?



Dale, somewhere I saw a 4K version of that video with only his little girl. It did not include that opening piece. It was very impressive.

I've noticed the same thing regarding the GH4 videos thus far. It appears that focus misses from time to time. It's also possible this is something that will be tweaked when production units become available.

Ah man ! My new update from B&H says 3-28-14

I think it might be shipping today now. B&H charged my card and my order says processing. If it ships I'll get it Wed.

Sounds great Joey. I miscalculated on this go-around. I've generally found that the Sony stores get it on or around the 'release date'. Didn't happen this time.

Additionally, I'm still getting from Amazon the notice "we need more time to give you an accurate ETA", so I think this puppy is in short supply.

I'm still hoping the Sony stores will get it in over the next few days.

Well my order as of right now still says processing.

I hope you get it Joey! I called B&H and they told me it would be the last week of this month, but I had no preorder with them.

there are a lot of AX 100 files from "misodo" on Youtube in the last day...
the person shot and load up faster, as I can download ....*g*

translated:
It is to those exported by editing length of 5 times to (24p) in Movie Studio Platinum attached what 4K camera of Sony, was shot in 120p FDR-AX100.

Select the image quality and image size from the Menu first, the method of 120p high-speed shooting, and then changed to "XAVC S HD" the recording method. Then it is OK to select the shooting mode from the Menu, by selecting a high-speed recording.
*cough* if this is the translation by Google, then it still sucks at it. Human translation is like this:
I have edited and published something using stuff taken by Sony's 4K camera FDR-AX100 at 120p and its attached Movie Studio Platinum at a 5 times of length (24p).
The way of doing 120p high speed shooting is that firstly select Picture Quality/Size in the Menu and switch the Recording Method to 'XAVC S HD'. And then choose 'Shooting Mode' from Menu and change it to 'High Speed Recording', then it's OK to go.

... Ultimately this Japanese guy didn't know that Youtube's compression has ruined it. lol

I hope you get it Joey! I called B&H and they told me it would be the last week of this month, but I had no preorder with them.

Thanks Ken
They charged my card but my order still says pending. I had to change my credit card a few days ago so I'm wondering if it has to do with the first charge on a new card that was reported lost. I lost my wallet about a 10 days ago. I hope I can figure it out tomorrow because I don't want to lose any more days.

I called and B&H said they said they run a charge after I changed the card but it will fall off today. So no shipment and no new ETA LOL.

I'm guessing 1-2 weeks Joey.

Mine arrived in Las Vegas at 9:37PM tonight.

Supposed to be at my house before before 8PM.

I already have one of my world-famous :) Sony Camcorder eBooks well underway. Can't say the Japanese writer doesn't have a sense of humor. Almost all button press sequences end with -- and I'm not kidding -- the word "hope."