View Full Version : Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)
Edward Troxel August 21st, 2004, 09:16 AM Yes it can. Just render the small segment you wish to take to AE to a new file, pull that new file into AE and manipulate it as needed, render back from AE to another new file, and then bring that file back into Vegas.
It is generally recommended that you render to uncompressed to transfer between the two programs.
Barry Rivadue August 21st, 2004, 10:59 AM wow, okay--thanks!
Sunny Dhinsey August 21st, 2004, 11:27 AM Thanks Lars,
Unfortunately I am still having the problem. That 'install' button is greyed out, so I am assuming there is some problem with the DirectX application supplied on the disk. I have installed newer versions of DirectX, but to no avail.
I guess I will just keep trying!
Thank you anyhow
Simon Wyndham August 21st, 2004, 01:34 PM A few of you might remember that I contacted Scott Moore, the writer of the Vegas luminance transition plugin because I thought it could possibly be modified to create a film style optical dissolve as per the opticals suite of Digital Film Tools or Magic Bullet.
Scott just sent me the latest version of the plugin to see if his latest tweak to it was any closer to succeeding in doing this. This new version of the plugin allows the user to select either a picture template based luminance dissolve as per the original plugin, or to do a luminance transition based on the video footage itself. I ran the new version of the plugin and compared it to the demo of the Magic Bullet Opticals suite.
I am pleased to say that I think Scott has done it! The results were VERY close indeed! The effect is subtle, but very nice. So, another plus point for Vegas users very soon!
Barry Rivadue August 21st, 2004, 07:30 PM Okay....Vegas and Boris Red seem to be a good fit, and am wondering how Photoshop offers sufficiently unique features to complement Boris in Vegas.
If I sound reasonably ignorant, you are correct.
:)
Gustavo Nardelli August 21st, 2004, 10:23 PM the given plug-in ?
Adi Head August 22nd, 2004, 04:26 AM hi. i'm working on a movie which is devided into two seperate vegas projects. now i want to unite the two into one project. each file contains several tracks with different track effects, envelopes and so on. is there a way to copy and paste tracks, in their entirety, from one project to another?
Edward Troxel August 22nd, 2004, 05:50 AM Here's what *I* would recommend:
1) render project 1 to a new avi
2) render project 2 to a new avi
3) Start a "final" project and add the rendered project 1 and project 2 files.
Otherwise, the option is to ope two instances of Vegas - one project in each. The, for example, select everything in project 2, copy it, move to the other instance of Vegas containing project 1, move to the end, and paste. This is as close as you can get.
Adi Head August 22nd, 2004, 06:25 AM rendering one project and adding it to the other isn't an option, i'm afraid, because i still need to add music which will probably result in slight editing changes.
copying and pasting from one project to the other is what i had in mind (as you suggest). since each track has 2 or 3 track FX on it, i was hoping i could just duplicate the track from project a to project b instead of manually inserting a new video track in A, open the track FX in the track i want to copy from project B, insert the same track FX and their parameters to the new video track in project A, and so on... for each track i want to copy. tiresome and vulnerable to mistakes.
another annoying thing i noticed. when i set the parameters to a track FX or event FX, by selecting one of the available templates from the drop down list - the next time i open the FX parameters, the template is listed as untitled once again and not the template i had set the FX to.
adi
Peter Jefferson August 22nd, 2004, 07:09 AM u can but u have to rip the the VOBS and extract teh audio from the VOB as wav (or anythign except ac3, as vegas cant read ac3)..
theres a post about this a while back explaing proggies and utils to help..
Vegas can load up a VOB (it sees it as mpg2) but the audio wont load up, so u need to extract it with a tool like BeSweet
Edward Troxel August 22nd, 2004, 11:43 AM I know of no easy way to copy track level effects. As for the name returning to "untitled" - this I understand. Think of it this way: You have set up a list of "basic" starting points and saved them as presets. Now, if you make ANY change to ANY of the settings, it is no longer that preset. If it saved the preset name, you would then lose the changes made OR the preset itself would be changed. I agree it would be nice to "remember" the preset chosen but understand how it could also lead to problems.
Adi Head August 22nd, 2004, 12:11 PM i think it would be best if when setting a plug-in to a template it should state the name of the template that it is set to (even after closing the plug-in modifying window and re-opening it). if one is to make changes to the template preset settings, THEN i agree that it should no longer state the name of the template.
but sometimes i might create several templates for a project and wish to know which track or event is set to which template. the way it is now, there is no way for me to know.
Dan Melius August 22nd, 2004, 10:49 PM I am new to all this and am not real sure what Douglas Spotted Eagle is referring to when he talks about getting a good external monitor for color correction in his Vegas 4.0 training DVD's. I did see what is referred to as video monitors at BH photo by Sony for about 2500 dollars. I can't afford one of those at the moment though.
I do own a very good Panasonic 34 inch flat screen TV that is very close to my computer and a couple of Sony VX2100 cameras. In Vegas 5.0, would I be able to send the video through my OHCI firewire card into my Sony VX2100 with pass through on to my Flat screen TV via S-Video in order to properly view the colors for color correction?
Don Bloom August 23rd, 2004, 04:45 AM Yes. Send the firewire to your cam and S or RCA out from the cam to the TV/flat screen or NTSC monitor. Set the camera in VTR/VCR mode press the EXTERNAL PREVIEW button on the preview screen in Vegas and have fun.
Don B
Reid Bailey August 23rd, 2004, 08:05 AM Reid slaps his head and says "why didn't I think of that"...
I mean it's right there, and having read it I'm like oh sure, of course.
But man have you saved me time/money with the external monitor solution at least till I can swing a studio monitor.
Man I love these boards...
Glen Elliott August 23rd, 2004, 08:42 AM Make sure you calibrate your television to the best of your ability using Vegas's NTSC or PAL Color bars under the Generated Media tab.
There is a few links online that explain how to calibrate using color bars. The biggest downfall of televisions is the lack of a blue gun option to set the color saturation. I always feel confident regarding the luminance/gamma but am never sure if my saturation is set correctly.
Dave Philips August 23rd, 2004, 10:03 AM somehow I messed up my window docking area at the bottom of the screen, it normally will have trimmer, explorer, etc on the left and a preview screen on the right, now I just have one long window on the bottom, anyone know how to restore this back to the split windows.
thanks, Dave
Dave Philips August 23rd, 2004, 10:12 AM I did a search on restore, and opened up vegas while holding down ctrl & shift.
cool!
Dave
Edward Troxel August 23rd, 2004, 10:45 AM Remember that after starting Vegas this way that ALL of the preferences you have changed are also reset. You will need to modify them to your liking again.
Lorraine Boyle August 23rd, 2004, 11:00 AM Hi,
It seems as though Vegas is doing a reinventory of all it's media files everytime it's window regains focus. If this is the case, then is there a switch to turn off or modify this behavior?
I'm just getting started with Vegas. After importing a large number of .mov files, Vegas has slowed to a crawl on initial load and every time it's window regains screen focus. Once loaded, working within the application is reasonably speedy as long as no other window is brought up - including a capture window.
OK obviously it's paging heavily so I've ordered more memory: going from 512 to 1G (and expect to have to add more soon). But also hoping there is an option somewhere in the program that will help alleviate this problem considering I still have quite a few clips to capture and the amount of paging going on.
thanks - L
Edward Troxel August 23rd, 2004, 11:06 AM Basically, Vegas "lets go" of the files so that other program can access them. For example, if you have a photo on the timeline and you want to edit that photo, you could just open your photo editing program (such as Photoshop), edit it, and when you return to Vegas the timeline would be updated.
If you do not wish for Vegas to "let go" of the files, go to Options - Preferences and UNCHECK "Close media files when not the active application"
Marcia Janine Galles August 23rd, 2004, 11:07 AM Just in case anyone else out there is thinking of using big drives with the Sony Video Capture utility, the above issue indeed appears to be a glitch in the software after all. As per this post, once the 500 gig drive which I knew had plenty of room on it filled the 12 hours it was showing available, it immediately kicked over and read 24 hours (more) available (in the middle of a capture) as soon as that time expired. And it didn't even hiccup.
Marcia
Edward Troxel August 23rd, 2004, 11:51 AM So, it sounds like the 36 hours free was read in Vegas as "24 + 12" because the hour field won't go above 24. Perhaps they should add a "Days" section :-)
01:12:00:00:00 (i.e. 1 day 12 hours + however many minutes, seconds, and frames)
Bob Safay August 23rd, 2004, 01:10 PM Douglas, I saw your vegas 5 book for sale on Amazon. When does it come out? Bob Safay
Lorraine Boyle August 23rd, 2004, 02:08 PM Edward,
That was just the ticket!
Many thanks for your help.
- L
Gino Montoya August 23rd, 2004, 04:33 PM Hi.
I have two inquiries:
1. Is there a way to do a sharp fade to black in Vegas?
When I use the crossfade tool (the envelope cursor), the image gets blurred before fading out.
I understand this happens because what it actually does is increase the opacity level.
2. I was trying to create subtitles (over-imposed), but the previewed image "stutters" or becomes blurred (I fixed my "blurred titles" problem, setting the preview quality to best, but this other problem still happens)
Thanks
Tor Salomonsen August 24th, 2004, 12:23 AM Put a solid black generated media on the track below your video where the fade is. Stuttering titles can sometimes be fixed with the Reduce interlace flicker setting (event properties). Sometimes Force resample, too, helps. These settings are not there by default, because they take a little longer to render.
Vince Debart August 24th, 2004, 07:42 AM HI
Am looking for the training DVD, CD ,VHS for Vegas 4
anyone have one they want to sell
Thanks
Vince
vjdebart@ispwest.com
Glen Elliott August 24th, 2004, 08:35 AM I have the Class on Demand Vegas 4 series-Email me.
Cosmin Rotaru August 24th, 2004, 10:29 AM thanks Rob. English is not my native language...
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky August 24th, 2004, 11:48 AM This relates back to an earlier question I posted on the same topic, seeking a solution akin to Premiere's "Scenes" feature which is ideal for long-form projects such as films.
My own project (Coming Attractions Trailer almost ready for posting and comments) should wind down to almost 2 hours long, and as someone new to NLE's in general, this one feature is desperately needed.
One disadvantage to rendering a whole scene out first and then dropping within the full-lenght time line is that everytime you make a change, you have two projects to render instead of just one.
Does anyone know how we might get Sony's ear on this to suggest for an upcoming revision?
Thanks,
Brian
Edward Troxel August 24th, 2004, 12:05 PM Here's your best bet:
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/support/productsuggestion.asp
Brian Mitchell Warshawsky August 24th, 2004, 01:21 PM I made the suggestion, we'll have to wait and see if Sony follows through.
Brian
Douglas Spotted Eagle August 24th, 2004, 03:40 PM Was supposed to have been out already. I don't know why it's not.
I do know that the exceptionally high number of screenshots is hard for layout people to work with. We've gone through this with 4 books now. Layout people hate high numbers of images. Takes FOREVER to get the Instant Series books out.
Milt Lee August 24th, 2004, 10:30 PM Just got back from Cinefest 2004 in Denver.
Saw the adobe people do their magic with after effects and was very impressed. Am I right in assuming that this is the program that can give me lots of amazing choices for CG work?
It really seemed excellent, and I think I might have to get it.
Also Doug Spotted Eagle was there and did an amazing demonstration of Vegas 5. It's definitely time to move up.
Milt Lee
Marcia Janine Galles August 25th, 2004, 08:25 AM Working on such a long project there are a few things I miss from the Avid/FCP world. For example, is there anything out there that will allow me to color code my bins/folders in Vegas 5 now? I know you couldn't in 4. How about printing bin/folder/clip info? I felt more "secure" with a printed record of what's on which drive in the event of (god forbid) a crash. Also, while the search function in the Media Pool is a good start, is there a way to have it bring up which exact bin/folder the desired clip is in?
I'm sure more will occur to me as I crank along...
Marcia
Allen Nash August 25th, 2004, 09:14 AM This is what I've been doing:
1) I record video at 24p (Advanced) in my DVX100a
2) capture to PC using Vegas 4.0, via firewire. Save clips as .avi's
3) edit video
4) render as an .avi
however, then when I burn that avi to SVCD or just view it on my computer screen, the quality is absolute crap. Completely different from the beautiful image I see right after shooting when I view my dailies from the camera to any TV set with a set of AV cables.
What am I doing wrong, or how much quality is being lost from beginning to final product (the final avi file). Is there a better format I should be using other than avi? thanks..
Edward Troxel August 25th, 2004, 09:23 AM The AVI file should be fine. However, an SVCD is a highly compressed MPEG file which will be much lower in quality than the AVI file.
Richard Alvarez August 25th, 2004, 09:53 AM Ahh, media management blues... One of the things I really really love while working in Avid on long form docs.
Allen Nash August 25th, 2004, 10:14 AM three questions then
1) are .avi's compressed or uncompressed. is it the best format to capture to?
2) how do they compare to .mov?
3) so if i author a DVD from the .avi, will the quality be as good as the original camera quality (ie. is the loss only coming from printing to SVCD?)
thanks again.
Edward Troxel August 25th, 2004, 10:40 AM When you "capture" via firewire, you are simply COPYING the data from the tape to the hard drive. There would be NO difference between MOV or AVI as they both contain the exact same data except for the "wrapper". Your DV-AVI files are compressed but the compression is done in the camera. There is NO additional compression during the capture process.
I believe you will see a MUCH higher quality on a DVD as compared to an SVCD.
Randall Campbell August 25th, 2004, 10:55 AM Marcia,
There is a script called Clip Logger that will allow you to output the media pool info to a delimited text file. It was originally written for importing clip log info, but I added the export function based upon a user request.
If you want to give it a try, go to the following link for more info. Clip Logger is a part of the Veggie Toolkit. If you download the toolkit, you can try it for 30 days.
http://www.peachrock.com/software/veggie-toolkit.html
If you desire any enhancements to the script, just email me at info@peachrock.com and I will see what I can do to help.
Randall
Gary Kleiner August 25th, 2004, 02:18 PM Vince,
You can still order Vegas Video Editing (3 hours of Vegas 4 instruction) at www.VegasTrainingAndTools.com.
Thanks,
Gary
Michael Best August 25th, 2004, 08:26 PM I can match up the look of the dvx100 with the XL1S in terms
of saturation, sharpness, etc. Can I really acheive the 24p
look in Vegas with the XL1S?
Glen Elliott August 25th, 2004, 09:15 PM <<<-- Originally posted by Michael Best : I can match up the look of the dvx100 with the XL1S in terms
of saturation,
Any NLE will give you control over saturation.
sharpness,
No. Sure there are equivalents to the unsharpen mask filter but that doesn't really "sharpen" the image. It just boosts the contrast between edges.
The XL1s naturally offers a much softer image than the DVX100. Especially in lower light. The lower the light the softer and muddier the image becomes.
Can I really acheive the 24p
look in Vegas with the XL1S?
Depends on what you define as the 24p look? You can definitly manipulate the image and framerate to mimic the DVX's look but it will be, by no means, identical.
If your really that set on the DVX's looks why not hock your XL-1s and get a DVX?
Aaron J.H. Walker August 25th, 2004, 10:25 PM Edward;
I have a similar problem.
I output my rough edit as an avi file to a third party dvd creator and see MAJOR pixelation in some spots. The pixelation is not on the original tape on my 35 inch tv playing the same clips straight out of my DVC-80. Could it be the dvd program's compresion codec causing this? I'm using Roxio something or other that came with my dvd burner just so I could get it out until I can afford the upgrade to Vegas 5+DVD. Would it look better to output to MPEG-2 or .avi from Vegas 4 to the Roxio program or does it matter?
Graham Bernard August 26th, 2004, 02:11 AM It would be really "neat" if all of us could "share" our layouts. Where are the Layout file/s? What are they called and what would it need for us to do make use of them?
Just to say that V5 just gets better and better ... this ALT+D really has broken through yet another barrier in me being able to get "closer" to my project development - and gets the NLE out of my face!
Grazie
Vince Debart August 26th, 2004, 04:41 AM Gary
We should do lunch some time since we are only 50 miles apart.
I only know of one other Vegas user on the Front Range and he is
as new as me
Vince
Michael Best August 26th, 2004, 05:43 AM Definitely not set on the look, just would like to achieve something
similar 'sometimes'.
Edward Troxel August 26th, 2004, 07:15 AM Grazie, I answered your quesition over here before seeing this one (http://www.jetdv.com/vegas/forum/viewtopic.php?p=187#187)
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