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Rob Lohman
October 25th, 2004, 02:38 AM
Doesn't work here either. It gives an ASP error that it cannot
instatiate an object. Same happens when I try to retrieve my
password (think I forgot it).

Rob Lohman
October 25th, 2004, 03:48 AM
Kaku: I think they are referring to the fact it can *EDIT* the files,
they just "forget" to tell us it can't capture the files (yet). Doh!

Rob Lohman
October 25th, 2004, 04:08 AM
Welcome aboard Ray! I'm not exactly sure what you are doing?
Are you capturing the footage from your Sony camera to your
computer or do you want to transfer your edited footage back
from the computer to your camera?

In both cases the camera will not support 24 fps. It will probably
also not support 16:9 anamorphic widescreen. However, if your
output is DVD (for example) you can simulate both if you want
to after the capture process.

If you give us some more information on what you are trying to
do exactly then we can better stear you in the right direction!

Michael Morlan
October 25th, 2004, 02:35 PM
The reason to migrate high-end hardware features to software-only systems is to feed the purchase chain upwards. Having a major feature of a hardware-based system like Xpri in a software-only system like Vegas won't cannibalize Xpri sales. Those demanding true real-time performance and quick turnaround will still want the hardware. And those who, after becoming accustomed to neat features in a software only package, will migrate to high-end hardware as their demand for throughput increases.

Additionally, the high end stuff is the first to address the latest and greatest video standards - HD right now. Software based solutions can't hope to keep up until general purpose hardware (read: a PC or Mac) catch up. By then, the dedicated hardware has taken the next leap.

Discreet has proven this with its line of visual effects tools from the software only Combustion through the original Flame and Flint hardware series.

Richard Alvarez
October 25th, 2004, 04:28 PM
Yeah,
that's exactly the line of reasoning with Avid. They won't migrate stuff downward...

UNTIL a competitor puts it in their software only version. Then they move it down. Everytime FCP makes an "advance" on Avid Xpress DvPro... Avid unlocks the feature set and releases the feature to Xpress Pro owners. I've used a Composer, I know that the same features are "locked" in my XpressPro copy at home. And if I was un-ethical, I could by a crack to unlock it. OF course, the hardware accelerations are a seperate matter, but even the DNA line states that increasing CPU speed will increase program abilities.

Andre Andreev
October 25th, 2004, 05:34 PM
Make sure you download the 30-day evaluation of Vegas/Architect and see if it has the capabilities (FX-wise) that you need.

Although it has great compositing, titiling, color correction and lots of useful effects, Vegas is more of an editor. If you need a full-blown compositing environment like AfterEffects, then you might have to go with that.

As a package offering a logical interface, very comprehensive editing features and strong comppositing capabilities, Vegas is a very economical (as in $$$ and "required processing power") and efficient combination.

It might be helpful if you list the features you are looking for.

Regards
-- Andre

Glenn Chan
October 25th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Premiere Pro 1.5 and Vegas are much better than Premiere.

Premiere Pro: better stability, less button-pushing. In Premiere 6.0, you might take multiple button pushes to do something that might take two in Premiere/Vegas. Premiere 6.0 also lets you lose sync, which is really annoying.
Vegas: Same as Premiere, except built into the program are a great set of audio tools, color correction, and compositing tools. You can get better compositing with After Effects or combustion if you need to do really crazy stuff.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 26th, 2004, 07:33 AM
http://www.vasst.com/ultimate/version_descriptions.htm
Hey guys, hope you're enjoying Ultimate S thus far. We've uploaded a new build that took care of a couple things, and added a new feature regarding J/L cuts based on user request.
Download the new build if you wanna check it out.
New build is 1.0.2

thanks to all for the great feedback!

Ray Gnaw
October 26th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Thanks for your help Rob!

I'm trying to import footages onto my Sony that might come out to 24fps and widescreen. But now that I know it cannot, is there anyway I can make a DVD disc with a regular CD-RW, or do I need to buy a DVD burner?

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 26th, 2004, 08:32 PM
Except for certain 3D extrusions and motion tracking (not the same as track motion) AE doesn't have any more bells and whistles than Vegas. Once you start getting into plugs, AE has more to offer, but as mentioned, you might as well learn Combustion. I've all but quit using AE except for very specific things. It's a good app, but there are better alternatives these days, IMO.
Vegas' compositing tools will benefit most people to their fullest needs/desires.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 26th, 2004, 08:34 PM
I can manually send you your password.
We recently moved to a much bigger, more robust server. However, our ISP also has a spam prevention tool that is currently preventing us from sending mails automatically from the system. So, we're either on the hunt for a new ISP that can serve our needs, or we find a workaround. T.J. has been manually sending passwords all weekend.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 26th, 2004, 09:02 PM
There is no way to create a DVD with a CD burner. You can put MPEG on a CD in a CD Burner, and some set top players and most computer systems will play it, but that's really just an SVCD, which Vegas can also do from the toolbar/timeline.

Ron Guilmette
October 27th, 2004, 11:44 AM
I have a project and I'm having problems with the video stuttering just before and during a crossfade. It gets even worse when using a velocity envelope. so bad that is totaly unexceptable.I'm using Vegas 5a.

any ideas as to what might be causing this?
I edited the clips down to what I wanted using the S key, If that makes a difference. can't see that it would, just thought I'd through that in there. I defrag often so I don't think it's that......

My system:
P4 2 gig/ 512mb of ram/ 3 hard drives, C: windows XP
D: Vegas software E: audio files used buy Sonar V: all media files associated with Vegas ( 160 gig sata drive).
F: windows swap files (completly seperate drive for windows and Vegas.

Are there any windows services that Vegas needs?
some have been shut off to save resources. It was recomended in a "how to tune windows XP for audio" artical.

Any help would save me from a mental breakdown, as this is happening in the middle of a paying gig.

Don Bloom
October 27th, 2004, 12:43 PM
Are you seeing the stutter in the preview window? If so check the foolwing things. 1) check the Opacity levels at Track Level. Sometimes without realizing it we hit the slider and move it just a bit and that can be a problem. 2nd, how do you have the preview window set? If it's set to best or even Good Full lower it tp Preview (auto) or Full and that will hopefully eliminate the stutter.
With Vegas being a software dependent program sometimes the computer can't keep up when the preview is set to best quality.
Check the work thru the preview screen at Preview quality and then FW thru to an NTSC monitor or even a good TV to check for color correction and make sure all is as it should be.

Hope that helps,
Don B

Ron Guilmette
October 27th, 2004, 01:51 PM
I'll check opacity. I do have preview set to full best so I'll change that and see what happens.
Thanks for the ideas.

Edward Troxel
October 27th, 2004, 03:24 PM
I'm betting if you look at the framerate below the preview screen that it is dropping during that point. One thing you can do to quickly bring it back up to speed is a RAM Render of that transition.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Hey gang,
Many of you have been uploaders and downloaders on the VASST file sharing site.
As you've seen, we're undergoing significant construction there, having just moved to a new, much larger and faster server. We've experienced a few bumps along the way, but we're growing it as best we can.

Anyway, your input about what you'd like to see different on the site would be appreciated. With nearly 1000 training resources up there for Sony, Adobe, and Ulead products (mostly Sony) it's getting difficult to sift through it all, so a customized search tool is already in progress.
We'd really appreciate hearing from you regarding improvements to the site. We're not going to go down the forum road, it seems there are far and away enough of those. We'll listen to everything you have to say, but may not implement all suggestions.

On another note, has anyone noticed that the new server is faster?

Brian Munt
October 27th, 2004, 11:19 PM
I am relatively new to Vegas. I am confused on these veg files. These are a project files I realize but I have seen some veg files at various places for download. These are mainly title affects and things. I am having trouble importing them into my project if I wanted to use any of them. When I do it closes out the file I am working with and opens the new veg file.
Is there a way to import them into a project and then modify them from there. What I am trying to do is use some of these premade things in a project and them modify it to suite my needs. Thanks for any help.

Kyle Ringin
October 27th, 2004, 11:51 PM
Brian,
Each session of Vegas can only have one project (.veg) open at a time. You can, however run as many sessions of Vegas as you want (or your system can handle).

You should be able to open two sessions and simply copy and paste the clips from one to another.

Phillip Jackson
October 28th, 2004, 03:39 AM
Anyone know how i can put dts audio on a dvd using DVD Architect?

I have the dts audio files as .wav and .dts but just putting them in as audio tracks but don't work

any ideas? or is it DVD Architect just won't let me do DTS?

What Dvd authoring program will do dts?

Thanks

Ron Guilmette
October 28th, 2004, 06:03 AM
Would another stick of memory help?
One thing I did do and it helped alot was to up my dynamic ram setting. By default it was on 16 . I changed it to 64 and it made a huge difference.

I'll try rendering to ram on the tough looking stuff.

Scott Brickert
October 28th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Building a title sequence i keyframed the tracking and leading so that the letters start out all together then move apart to reveal the words. Rendering whether with PTT or to a new track results in the movement stutter or stairstepping as it goes out.

Same thing happened when keyframing the scale. I started with a huge font that put the text beyond the screen, the scaled it in. It renders out with stuttering.

On the other hand, in the same .veg file, i keyframed the position and color, these render out smooth.

Help. I'm running late with this wedding video.

Scott

P1.4M/512Mb/7200rpm external firewire drive/Vegas 5.0a

Edward Troxel
October 28th, 2004, 07:44 AM
That setting controls how much ram is used for ram renders so upping that number should help. If you add more ram then you can have even longer ram renders so, yes, it can help.

Edward Troxel
October 28th, 2004, 07:46 AM
You can do that one of two ways:

1) As Kyle said, open Vegas twice and copy from one instance to the other instance.

2) Open the effects project, modify as needed, and render. Now bring that render into your real project.

Scott Brickert
October 28th, 2004, 07:48 AM
Using Render To New Track I selected a 20 minute segment and clicked on Render Loop Region. I only got the first 5 or so minutes. there's plenty of space on the hard drive. what am I missing?



Scott

P1.4M/512Mb/7200rpm external firewire drive/Vegas 5.0a

Peter Jefferson
October 28th, 2004, 07:49 AM
i dont bother with vegas titling anymore..
i use a nice cheap and effective program called BluffTitler and i set my background to a chroma key colour (usually green) or black if im in the mood to do some real compositing thru combustion

less than a hundred bux and it goes what boris graffitti does but its ALOT faster and easier to use.. better on PC resources too..

Scott Brickert
October 28th, 2004, 07:52 AM
It appears I cannot use one three port firewire card to both attach the hard drive, containing the footage and the .Veg file, plus the connection to the destination camera for recording a PTT. Using this setup, the picture on the camera's LCD starts jumping around and only a blue screen shows up, no image.

Anyone experienced similar problems? Any solutions?

Scott

Peter Jefferson
October 28th, 2004, 07:53 AM
maestro will do DTS..
I jsut got liquid six for the showroom so im still to expereiment with it, but i don think it does..

DTS production and trademark usage requires license aqcuisition, which isnt cheap.. which is why i dont use it.. it also eats up abotu twice as much as ac3

one thing to note if ur doing this for commercial purposes, you MUST inlude either an uncompressed PCM wav file, or an AC3 soundtrack.
DVD Comliance requires any one of these 2 formats as mandotory audio formats. DTS is an elective format which, when delivered, must also be included within the same package (not necessarily the same disc) as a conformed DVD using PCM or AC3.

if ur jstu doin it for person use, ignore what i jstu said..

Gary Kleiner
October 28th, 2004, 09:01 AM
You should be able to use this configuration. Using a different firewire card may solve this for you.

Gary

Sunny Dhinsey
October 28th, 2004, 09:57 AM
I think I already know the answer to my own question, but I will ask it anyway!

Is there any possible way for me to run Sony Vegas 5.0 on an Apple Mac G4 PowerBook?

I am a Vegas user, which I have on my desktop, but would also like to run it on a laptop for mobility purposes. Rather than buy a new laptop, I was hoping I would be able to run Vegas on my Apple PowerBook.

I'm not a great fan or expert of the Apple interface so I don't know much about using Windows intended applications on it.

I am assuming my intentions are impossible, but if by some miracle there is a way to run Vegas on a Mac, would somebody please share knowledge!

Thank you very much guys!

Glen Elliott
October 28th, 2004, 10:23 AM
I believe there are XP emulators out there that will allow you to run Windows programs on the Mac. It might be possible but more than likely very buggy. Vegas was written for the P4.

My suggestion- sell that overpriced hunk-o-...well you get the picture. And pick up something like a Toshiba widescreen laptop. More power and less $$ than the powerbooks.

Edward Troxel
October 28th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Short answer is: NO

You may be able to do some functions but I would not expect it to run well and I would not expect it to capture or print video. You can buy a $600 PC that runs it quite well, though.

Milt Lee
October 28th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Hi Folks,

I hope this is just the easiest thing that I just don't know. I got the SAGER - 8790 and I really love it. And I got another monitor so I can move some of the Vegas stuff over to the other monitor. But I don't really know how to accomplish this.

Suggestions? Directions?

Thanks for the help - BTW - I think this forum is really about the best out there.

Thanks,
Milt

Gary Kleiner
October 28th, 2004, 06:30 PM
In XP, right-click on the desktop.
Choose Porperties > Settings>

Find the monitor and choose Extend my Windows desktop onto this monitor.

Gary

Gary Kleiner
October 28th, 2004, 06:33 PM
Not sure..did you accidentally abort by hitting the keyboard?

Gary

Brian Munt
October 28th, 2004, 07:20 PM
Thank you Kyle and Ed for your help. If I was to open the veg file and modify it as needed and render the file what would be the best for format to render it to. I am thinking a standard avi file. Would that be correct or would there be something better.

Edward Troxel
October 28th, 2004, 07:59 PM
That depends a little on exactly what you want to do. If you want to use the alpha channel (so the black background is transparent) you will need to render to uncompressed AVI. If you just want to bring the title over as a regular clip, DV-AVI is fine.

Kyle Ringin
October 28th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Best to render it to an uncompressed avi or a lossless codec like Huffyuv to give best quality for any output. Just remember to render it at the same resolution, frame rate, etc as the destination project so you don't get funky motion and other wierdness.

Remember if you want to tweak it you'll have to return to the other project, tweak, then rerender, then reimport. That's why in situations like this I tend to work all in one project. Sounds like it doesn't apply to your situation though.

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 28th, 2004, 08:16 PM
To any/all in Hawaii or those planning on visiting the islands during the Sony Hawaii Expo at the Ala Moana Hotel on November 2-4, the Hawaiian Vegas Users Group will be having a small get together.
Would love to see/meet some of you! We've always had a great time in the past. Especially when Randy Stewart takes us to the out-of-the-way places only the locals know about. :-)

Drop me a note if you'd like to hang w/us. dse at sundancemediagroup dot com

Douglas Spotted Eagle
October 28th, 2004, 08:19 PM
Usually this is relevant to the card sharing additional resources with other hardware or software resources.
Try moving the card to a new slot, or as Gary suggested, shoot for another card.
Generally, this is no problem unless you are running an OHCI card that has a VIA chipset on it, and even then, the newer VIA chipsets aren't having issues.
I've got one machine with THREE cards in it, all connected to various devices. (beta machine)

Brian Munt
October 28th, 2004, 09:10 PM
OK Great that sounds simple enough. I will just render as an uncompressed avi then bring that into the project or if it a simple
veggie I will just copy and paste and work from there.
Thank You for all you help...

Scott Brickert
October 28th, 2004, 09:47 PM
Are you saying if I hit any key while Vegas is the 'active' program, that it will abort the render?

I think I might have checked email or surfed the web a bit.

Thanks

Scott

Gary Kleiner
October 28th, 2004, 10:29 PM
Space bar, and perhaps a few more WILL certainly abort your render if Vegas has the focus.

Gary

Terry Thompson
October 28th, 2004, 11:49 PM
"I edited the clips down to what I wanted using the S key, If that makes a difference. can't see that it would, just thought I'd through that in there. I defrag often so I don't think it's that......"

I know this is a stupid question (and it might have been asked as I haven't read all the posts) but did you leave enough room at the beginning and end of your clips to allow for disolves etc.?

I have noticed that if I don't have enough of the clip for my disolve it will do strange things like start the clip over at the end where the disolve is.

Terry

Terry Thompson
October 28th, 2004, 11:59 PM
Cool name for your company. Where is Stockton, UT?

Interesting solultion. I have a lot to learn. I've been looking for a way to do split screens for side by side comparisons of the before and after shots using my stabilization system.

I love Vegas even thought I don't like to edit that much. I do like the end results.

Terry

Vance Osborne
October 29th, 2004, 02:17 AM
Hi All,
Quick question;
In Premiere, you can perfom what is called a "frame hold"...
Can you do the same thing in Vegas 4? And if so, what is the procedure/location of the ability?

Thank you!

Sunny Dhinsey
October 29th, 2004, 02:45 AM
Thank you for your responses, I guess there are a number of points that are encouraging me to buy a new Windows based laptop instead:

1) As Glen said, the program may be buggy and was written for P4

2) As Edward said, it may not capture/print video (which I need ;-)

3) I hate the Mac interface/environment. (I was originally taken by the smart look of the PowerBook)

Thanks!

Sunny Dhinsey
October 29th, 2004, 02:52 AM
What do you mean by 'frame hold'?

I assume you are referring to literally holding the image still on one particular frame (i.e freeze framing).

If so, this is easily done in Vegas.

First of all add a velocity envelope to the clip upon which you wish to perform the freeze frame. Then locate the precise frame from which you wish to freeze the motion clip. At this location, add 2 points on the envelope line and set the latter one to a speed of 0% and line it up with the previous point (please check after dragging that it is still on 0%).

This is how I usually perform this action. I'm sure there are other ways to do this.

Hope this helps!

Sunny Dhinsey
October 29th, 2004, 03:01 AM
I suppose the only thing you have to take into consideration whilst attempting the effect as outlined by DSE, is the movement of natural light.

For example, if you have sunlight coming in through a window, it may have changed position from when you filmed the first portion of your sequence (i.e you on the left) to the second portion (you on the right). It is likely that this may result in differences in the two halves of the picture.

You would need to make sure that there are no noticeable differences/changes in light position.

If you are shooting in a totally self lit environment, then you should have no problem, providing the lighting is not altered in any way for the two independent shots.

Edward Troxel
October 29th, 2004, 07:25 AM
If you mean create a freeze frame, yes this can be done in a variety of ways. I use a velocity envelope and change the speed to 0% to accomplish this.

If you mean have a keyframe that holds until the next keyframe, just right-click the keyframe and choose "Hold" as the type.