Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I found the official sample video a bit ehm... weird, look at 01:25 and again at 04:26 in the background, there's something strange going on with all verticle lines which looks like aliasing. I also noticed the very heavy grading in the first part of the image and several out of focus stuff, and there seem to be some gopro footage trown in as well. That sample video would not make me running to the stores to get one.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I had read that the C100 is 15% smaller than the C300 but hadn't quite realised how much smaller it is because unless Dieter Kuepperbusch (Product Intelligence Consultant) has hands like shovels it really is a lot smaller than the C300. Like a 60D compared to the 5D2 or 5D3 rather than a 7D.

The lens is the newish 24mm F/2.8 with IS which is an EF lens but as it is the same price as the 17-55mm F/2.8 IS EF-S lens would not be my first choice of a lens for the C100.

The menu looks the same as the C300 which is the same as the XF105/305 series.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Another IBC Video of the C100, this time mostly in English and with the C100 sporting an aftermarket finder (Zacutto?) attached - without gaffer tape - plus a brace.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

It's a pretty crap video, agreed. But it's mostly run-n gun looking stuff and for that it's ok I guess. I think the 'upgrade' people are most interested in for the money would be less rolling shutter and moire etc (I forget how much better the 5DIII was in this regard) and virtually unlimited clip length and keep all your lenses etc.
I am only guessing but I think people either like that look or know already it's a bit more flexible than just that look, if you know what I mean (people would expect the same latitude or more presumably, without looking at stats). We wouldn't assume it's worse than a DSLR, would we? I mean, I dunno. Maybe I'm too optimistic.
Plenty of people never touched the likes of XFs and so on, is all I'm saying. So, for them the upgrade from their 7D is more obvious. It's crisper than APSC 1080, that's for sure, and handles quick movement and hand holding miles better (and focus; it's not a focus sort of film really).
But, yeah, not that great a film. Canon are weird like that though too, let's not forget. They disowned the best C300 demo of the lot for its irreverent tone (which they presumably paid for).

Noa's observation is interesting. Nothing like that happens anywhere else, even in the same scene from a different set up. I'm going to assume they've done something to the shot or screwed up somehow. Not sure how though; zoomed it in? Shot at the wrong format? A strange effect.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Andy-
I understand your concerns, but as I've told Philip, we really don't know how much Canon-Europe was involved and certainly, Canon USA was not. I'm good friends with the key Canon people that would be involved with any promo video being shot here with the C100 and I have some calls into them to try and clear some things up. Philip did discover that the Vimeo upload was bad so that just re-affirms what I always say....you can't really judge videos posted on the internet, you need to properly view the footage on a good monitor.
That being said, I really believe that this camera, using the HDMI out to a recorder is going to be the same as a C300.....same "magic" chip, log, etc.
Most of all, let's take a breath and have some patience.....

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Thanks Jim. I'm hanging on in there with the preorder (with CVP here in the UK - If I was in the USA you'd get the order for sure).

I REALLY want this to be my next camera. It hits so many of the right buttons on my personal wish list for ergonomics, build quality, C300 magic chip etc. (as I explained in detail on my website) so this official launch video came as a bit of a shock.

I'm a scientist/engineer by previous career so I'll revert to type and "await more data" before making any firm conclusions!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Yes....it's getting late over there so go out, get a bite "und Bier"

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

You read my mind - just walking out to the pub now!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

As I said Glen, the question is which 60p camera to GO with the C100/C300

Of course we all know there's no 60p on either. But as a shop that's been shooting with Canons for years, has sets of L glass and is very integrated with the Canon systems and look, we're very interested in the new C series as new cameras.

Obviously the cost of the C100 is attractive compared to the C300. As a director who does a lot of docs, narrative and sports, the all in one nature of the C100 is nice. I was just making an observation about the Zacuto gaffer taped to the screen and that a quality VF was important for the targeted market.

I'm allowed right?

I won't get into the FS100/700 thing other than to say we have an FS100 and I don't see the 60p of that camera as an ideal match for the C300 or C100 images which is why I made the comment.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Excuse my ignorance, but why is 60p so important for slow mo? And are people really using slow mo that much that it's a make or break deal for a camera? I'm really excited about this release as I am looking to upgrade from my XHA1s. I have been hesitant to buy anything because the technology is changing so fast and finally, they came out with the c300 but it was way out of my budget. I always liked the look of DSLR video but was never quite sold on the idea of shooting on a still camera because of all the extra stuff you need for them to work like a proper video camera. This thing would be killer if the EVF wasn't fixed. They might as well have not put one on there at all.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I wounding what UW housing they was using ('caz all shoots was from the C100, right?). Is the gates housing supporting C100 too !?!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I imagine they just adapted the one for the 300/500

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

It depends on your line of work. For my line of work I've been very happy to have slow-motion at my disposal. Real slow-motion has such a different look then post slow mo. I'm not happy this cam doesn't have 60P but the resolution for me, nd filters, sensor size, and price is worth sacrificing slow-mo. It may not be for others. It's a tough call. My AF100 does not meet the resolution nor sensor size I can with the C100. No win for this next season for me. Oh well. In the end it's a tool. Others have specific needs then others.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

my main line of questioning is why 60p is better than 60i for slow mo.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

60i isn't slow motion, it's interlaced.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Also I believe all LCD/Plasma displays are progressive not interlaced. So to use 60i as slow mo you're using 1920X540 once interpolated instead of getting a full 1920X1080 with 60P. You're losing resolution with 60i once using it for slowmo.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

60p isn't slow motion either until it's played back at a different speed. You can watch 60p video all day long played back at 60 frames a second and it won't be slow motion.

Re: Canon EOS C100 & Atomos Ninja 2
 

I liked the last line best!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Where do you see this, btw? They look like loupes to me. Or is that what you mean? (doesn't seem particularly significant if it is). Maybe I missed something.

Re: Canon EOS C100 and Zacuto Z-Finder
 

Looks like Zacuto have all their add ons already covered/tuned for the C100.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

True true true...

Re: Canon EOS C100 and Zacuto Z-Finder
 

If Canon had put a proper EVF on the C100, instead of that ridiculously small .24" peephole, Zacuto wouldn't have needed to build anything.

Re: Canon EOS C100 and Zacuto Z-Finder
 

Very true!

Although I normally prefer a shoulder mount, I think the C100 is small enough to pull off this style of design, just a shame they deliberately crippled it with a small EVF and consumer codec when the far cheaper XF100 has 50Mbps 4:2:2.

Clearly they are protecting the C300 but makes you wonder what the difference in production cost is between a C100 and C300. It makes the C300 price hike seem very steep.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The EVF & screen look very like the ones on the XF100 & the EVF on that is pretty useless. In fact I just looked up the specifications & while they are identical in size 0.24" EVF & 3.5" screen the EVF on the C100 does have a higher resolution at 960x540 versus 640x480 on the XF100.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I agree, have an XF100 as a little C cam and although I like it, the EVF is one of the weakest aspects. Hopefully the C100's is significantly better.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

In the Zacuto video they say that the EVF is not positioned properly so it will require a Z Finder viewing tube on the LCD.

Will shorty post before and after grading samples from the Demo video, and show how they delibrately crippled the C100 DR to make it look like a DSLR since their perceived market is DSLR upgrades.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Can you elaborate on this Dynamic Range issue?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Perhaps, but they are trying to shift their own products after all.

Yes, please do elaborate. The C100 manual shows exactly the same curves / DR range at each ISO setting as the C300 manual.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Just a quick update for those of us in the UK awaiting the C100.

I had an email from CVP yesterday that basically stated they still have no idea when Canon will ship the C100 to them (I have my pre-order with Creative Video Products).

I also see that CVP have dropped the pre-order VAT inclusive price by roughly £200 from what it was when the C100 was first announced.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

What's the price in the UK? First price I"ve seen it listed here is 6700 euro. (vat incl)

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

CVP now have it at £4,799 including VAT at the moment (VAT is 20% here in the UK). I will get the VAT back on the price I will pay since mine is a VAT registered company - which softens the pain a little...

Currently, the Euro is worth £0.79.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

That's about 700 euro cheaper then in Belgium, a pretty good deal.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Less than half the price of the C300!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

and twice as good? :)

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

...and twice as expensive as the AF100.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Not here in the UK it's not. CVP who have the C100 priced at £4799 including tax have the AF101 at £3918 including tax.

I used to own an AF101 but sold it. I now own a C300 & if the C100 is as good as it looks to be then it is a far better camera than the AF101. The ergonomics on the AF101 were horrible whereas the C300 is lovely to use & it looks like the C100 could be even better on that front.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

That's a great price Andy. This camera looks like a real bargain, and yet the whinging goes on. Sigh!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I am shooting in Munich and will post images when I get back next week, unless I can get them sent to me. The DR issue is in the grade of the sample video, the camera has much more DR than is shown in the demo video but the colorist crushed the DR to make it look like DSLR footage. But not sure about the source of the highlight blowouts. Canon is trying to move DSLR shooters to the C100 so perhaps they asked that this sample be graded so that it appealed to DSLR shooters. However, this camera is much better than that. I will show images, a very poor before grading image and the after grading equivalant and you can see the additional DR in the ungraded image.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Looking forward Philip. Is the EVF as bad as you expected? I had the AF100 before and found that EVG too small and low-res already. I wonder how the C100's compares.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I do not have the camera yet, just found some images.