Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Macroblocking, as expected with high speed objects. When you look at this be aware that the swinging chairs are out of focus, so look at the spinning objects on the ground. the out of foucs stuff breaks down much quicker. I have included the YouTube link since the VImeo version is not at 1080p. Listen, we all knew that with extremely fast motion we would have to use an external recorder.

This is not something that disqualifies the C100. I find it interesting that people scream about AVCHD on the C100 but not on the FS100/700. The real question is how well does the C10o compare to these cameras, and from the intial tests it looks better for normal speed work.

I will be doing C100 tests this weekend, and then custom profile optimization and C300 comparisons the first week in December. What do you guys want me to do? Will try to do as many tests as we need.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Here are some direct comparisons of the C100 and the FS700. I much prefer the C100 image. Look at the wide shot of the stall, there is so much more DR in the C100 image.


make sure you set both streams to 1080p

The FS700 may be slightly sharper in the pan over the prizes while in bright light. However, look at the black detail in the blowup pan over the bunch of shadowed black doll prizes, the C100 captures much more low light detail. Also the prize next to the white tigers in the shadow area, the C100 shows complete lines on the prize while the FS700 breaks the line up/ then as the pan continues to the right the C100 is clearly sharper than the FS700. The initial difference in detail could be a focus issue, but overall in this comparison the C100 has overall much more detail. much smmoth color gradients n the woman's face, less banding, I am very happy.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Atomos Ninja 2 ProRes compared with avchd. It's not a stress test by any means but the user has offered to provide the ProRes file to those interested (like me). I'm going to try bringing the exposure up a stop in both versions to see how the image holds up.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Surprised by the amount of aliasing in the eyebrows on the AVCHD vs. ProRes clip. Does bit rate affect aliasing that much, or is this another one of those Premiere Pro field order issues?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The user claims the aliasing is present in the original .MTS file as well.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Playing with our team's first C100, thanks to Debora for letting me pry it from her hands. First impression - the EVF is NOT the same as on the preproduction models. Actually much better, even usuable, Still not as good as a C300 but something that I can live with. Could be wrong but seems to be better than XF105. Repeat, I will be able to use this. I hope for aftermarket eyecup replacement to seal the EVF better, but that is small, Can read display info, focus still a little hard without peaking but there is peaking. Image magnification works only on LCD. Focusing still more difficult than it should be on EVF, but doable with peaking mag turned up. Again, this EVF seems better than the preproduction prototypes.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

CVP still have 11 in stock (very tempting but I really don't need a new camera right now:-)

Andy, if you do have some time before Xmas I would love to bring my C300 along & do some comparisons. I'll drop you an email.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Preston UK have a price about 500 pounds cheaper than CVP last time I looked but they dont have any in stock yet.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Yes Nigel let's try and do that soon. CVP deliver my C100 on Tuesday.

From what I have seen so far on the various web clips out there it looks like an excellent purchase - but I will reserve judgement until I have had some quality time with the cam. As we all knew, serious work will need an external recorder and I am OK with that.

Comparing it to the C300 will be an excellent benchmark. Lets meet in a good pub in Norwich (there are many) and go from there!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I'm not convinced it is aliasing, and am also surprised in the difference between the AVCHD and ProRes clips. I'd expect ProRes to be a bit better - but not to give that difference.

The eyebrow difference looks more to me like a scaling issue when it's scaled up to 400%. It looks as if the AVCHD example is doing it in a much coarser fashion than ProRes, hence the stairstepping. One way to check that would be to take frame grabs from the timeline and import into Photoshop. Then upscale to 400% with image size, and make sure the same upscaling method (eg Bicubic smoother) is selected for each.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Canon are on a winner with this one by the looks. The body price gets lower every time I look. I am still wondering what damage it'll do to the FS700 price though (hey, I'd get both if I had that sort of scratch).

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

In a previous post I repeated the information given at the Canon seminar that there was no EV compensation, nearly caused me to cancel. Well, there is EV compensation buried in the menu, not as a button. N this will allow shooting without the grip that has very nice iris control. Without the grip it is a very light package that does not fpdraw attention, so will be able to run and gun where video is ordinarily frowned upon.

I think Canon got smart and made some small changes, to at least the EVF and EV, and who know what else, I will look. These changes remove some of the deliberate crippling seen in the prototype. This could be much nicer camera than it first seemed.

Will continue with ergonomic observations since ease of use is what was lacking in the Sony FS series, and this will set the C100 apart. I wanted a camera I could run and gun with, without setup, or stop and go shooting.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

C cameras and a pub! sounds like heaven! Count me in if there's room for one more, should have my C100 on Tuesday as well so looking forward to seeing how nicely it integrates with the C300.

I don't think the C100 would excite me at all as a main camera given it's been so heavily knobled by Canon but as a B cam it could very well be perfect for me if the images match up. After using a 5D with a DP4 monitor and videomic attached for two cam audio syncing the C100 should be very nice to use with it's built in mics and rear mounted LCD. I'm loving the move back to less bolt on bits and pieces.

Paul

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Paul, it would be great to meet you as well as Nigel! I've admired your work ever since I discovered it when we both had films screened at The Forum in Norwich back in 2010 - with that BBC Norfolk Film Festival thing.

I'm thinking maybe Mon 3rd or Tues 4th Dec might (currently...) work for me as I'm filming for a client in Bury St Edmunds most of the back end of next week, for another in Cambridge back end of w/c 3rd and in Manchester and York most of w/c 10th. Everyone wants their films by Xmas!

Let's sort out details and dates by e-mail off-forum.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Turns out Adam, the skintones test user with the aliasing eyebrows actually did have his fields displayed incorrectly after all. He is replacing the current file he has uploaded.

He also provided me with the original .MTS and ProRes files so I raised the exposure by about 2 stops in Premiere using RGB Curves to see how both files did:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6707929/skintones_2_stops.mp4

I was pretty impressed with how well AVCHD held up but it's clear that ProRes provides more flexibility with recovering from underexposure.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Be good to meet you too, looking forward to it.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

AVCHD portion with proper NLE settings

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

One of you guys who have your C100 in hand please help. Switching the EVF to B&W makes it easy to focus, but then it unexpectedly also switches the recording to B&W. The manual does not say that this should happen, but it does. Is this behavior a software bug on all cameras or a fault in mine? Please try it.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Hi Philip - don't have the cam until Tuesday but that sounds like a software bug. I'm sure others who have can confirm for you soon.

I have a question for you. Are you really sure the EVF has been upgraded since the (4?) pre-production C100s did the rounds? We know from the specs that it is a higher resolution EVF than the (relatively poor) one on the XF100/105. I truly hope it has seen a major upgrade (maybe they used an XF100/105 EVF as a temp measure on the pre-prod C100s while tooling for the new one?). Real pity their marketing people did n't just let the design engineers use the already available and swivelling one on the C300s!

Seems lots of new C100 owners are having workflow problems with the NLEs not treating the the AVCHD footage as progressive - I guess that'll die down once the word gets around of how to deal with it - I've already posted a Provideo Coalition link about the workflow for Prem Pro a while back (Post No 215).

So far I've been pretty impressed by the "good stuff" that I've seen and downloaded - but I'll know for sure in a few days time. Roll on Tuesday!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The EVF driver software could also be different. My eyes require diopter correction so iti is possible that that was the part that got better. But something has changed. Not C300 level, but usable.

I find myself shooting primarily without a rig, holding the camera in two hands with my elbows against my body and using the EVF, not the LCD, to create three point stability. Will need to be inconspicuous when we do some doc work in a place that has potential dangers, no rig, external recorder or top handle. I am confident that the EVF will work fine for that, especially if I can use it in B&W mode without that forcing B&W recording, There is no way I could have done that with the prototype.

The key is to tilt your head sideways so your eye is closer to the EVF, not the semi straight on position you would use with the C300. When you use this eye position the increased EVF resolution gives an acceptably lage image. I don't recall being able to do this with the prototype, better eye cup? Again do not use the head position you would use with other cameras. If you do not tilt your head the EVF is horriblly small.

Who knows perhaps this trick is the difference, and I just did not discover it with the prototype. However the BT on the French demo film showed external EVFs gaff taped to the prototypes, so there is a chance something has changed other than my expectation that I should look straight into the EVF as with other cameras.

Look at the design of the C100 eyecup. It is shallow for tilted use since the shallowness makes your nose get in the way if you look straight on into the EVF. The C300 EVF extends toward you.

Well, all change comes from within so perhaps it was me - and every other person who played with the prototypes.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The trick that I have used with the 5D & with a stripped down C300 is to use the LCD but brace the camera by extending the neck strap. You can see James Longley doing the same thing at times in this BTS on shooting documentary with a C300 in Afghanistan.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Taking a C100 into battle over the next few days shooting build up and red carpet at the Premiere of The Hobbit here in New Zealand.

My 5D3 is coming along as backup, but my dealer has so kindly give me the camera to demo and put through its paces..

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Have confirmed with other C100 owners that there is a software bug that changes recording to B&W when you set LCD/EVF to B&W. It will important to check for other software bugs before using our team's cameras in production. Please post here if you find them.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Shame about that. I just hope Canon don't take too long getting a revised firmware out that fixes this bug.

This new video gives a quick overview of the image differences between the 5DMkIII and C100. I already know which one I'm glad I bought.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Personally, I don't see enough difference in these shots to warrant the C100 for me. I need to consider if I was already going to get a 6D would that extra $4400 be warranted?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I saw a big difference in sharpness between the two. Didnt see any moire in the brick (for either camera)

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I was just this morning looking over my wife's shoulder as she was wedding we shot with a 5D3 on the bride's side & a C300 on the groom's side. The biggest difference even aside from the sharpness is the dynamic range. With the C300 footage there is detail in the highlights & shadows that is missing from the 5D3 & she had to really 'dumb down' the C300 clips to get the images even remotely matching.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

One of our team member just received a shipping notice on a Blackmagic Cinema camera, yes a miracle. But the graded C100 is so good that it makes wonder if I should tell her to just use the C100 plus external for work on sets. Any opinions now that we finally have very very encouraging C100 samples. BTW most of these samples are shot at 320 ISO which reduces DR compared to the base ISO of 850, it is in the manual.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Egg on my face. After numerous people confirmed the B&W bug, it turns out that it was operator error not a software bug. Unlike some cameras I previously owned, changing the LCD/EVF to B&W while in camera also alters the display in media mode. So the clips were always in color. Have to get used to the camera.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Don't worry about it Philip - it is after all good news that its not a firmware bug.

Up early awaiting a C100 delivery :-) What do you guys think of this?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I like this test!

Looking at original file downloaded from Vimeo - looks pretty good. Love the look of those bricks :)

Would love to see something shot with a flatter profile and really see what the DR can do but thanks so much to anyone that is posting this stuff.

Also, is it just me or is anyone else not really seeing much of a difference between the AVCHD and the ProRes?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

"Also, is it just me or is anyone else not really seeing much of a difference between the AVCHD and the ProRes?"

Exactly! That's what impressed me so much in this latest test video.

I'm sure if you started grading the original clips heavily then the ProRes will show its benefits but for some of the fast turnaround stuff that I sometimes do the AVCHD will be just fine.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

After day 1 of shooting with the C100 i really like the images I got.

Things that are driving me bonkers.. The EVF. It WOULD be okey with peaking if canon had put a decent eye cup on it. But no, its impossible to really get your eye on it.

AND the LCD.. terrible in any sort of direct light. I see why people have put Z Finders on them.

Camera is easy to use however. Im almost temped to buy it.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

A lot of that wide city outdoor scenic footage is looking pretty amazing... Itching to try one of these things out.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

You really have to tilt ypur head, unlike any head psoyion I have ever wuse with an EVF, but then the eyecup works.

I find that shooting the the EVF set to B&W makes focusing much easier. But harder to judge WB etc. really want a Z-Finder if Zacuto, who is famous for long waits on announced products, would just release that, as well as the Plazma lights.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Can anyone inform how effective the focus assist functions on the LCD are?

Does the LCD have good colour representation?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Mine arrived mid-morning but I've not had time to do anything more than take it out of the box and admire it! Did set peaking but there are a number of settings that you can play with so I'm sure I can get it how I want it. Magnify works fine on the LCD.

Build quality seems really good/better than I remember from handling a pre-launch C100 at the CVP/Canon Soho Hotel event in London a while back. EVF is, well, pretty much rubbish (but we all knew that by now). Fan is near silent but chucks out a fair breeze (you can set it on Auto so it only comes on when really needed).

Handling is superb with that grip in whatever position you want. Just charging up all three of my new Canon BP-955 batteries - so when I do get some time this weekend I can see what's this baby's capable of!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The focus assist is very effective on the LCD. Like mentioned above by Andy you can tune the peaking to a number of different settings and the magnification works all the time.

The LCD is a lot like the C300, although not quite the same (smaller maybe). It doesn't work well under harsh light and isn't as accurate as id like. Although, the images I get in post look better than on the LCD.. but that is still less than ideal in the grand scheme of things. This may have something to do with the fact that I am shooting on a tweaked EOS Std profile.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Here is our first test last night with the C100!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

giving up on my BMC preorder this week and picking up a c100. very excited. anyone else in NYC with a c100 yet?