Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Let's hope Zacuto will soon release a Z Finder for the C100, I cannot image using the EVF for focusing, only framing in an emergency. It has me waiverng about reccomending canceling our team's orders.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I do share Andy Wilkinson's opinion about 1080/p50/p60. There are no disadvantages to using it, yet plenty of benefits.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The point is that it's clearly reasonably straightforward to develop a large aperture zoom lens for a small sensor (even then they are not constant aperture). The lens on a 1/3" sensor Canon XF305 is 18X (29.3 - 527.4mm 35mm equivalent) F/1.6-F/2.8. We are never going to see even an 18X APS-C lens with an aperture of F/1.6-F/2.8 let alone a full frame one.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I agree that there is no disadvantage to it but its absence isn't a deal breaker for me. I must admit that I hadn't immediately spotted the absence of even 1280x720 50p/60p but the XA10 doesn't have it either & that is where Canon took the recording back end from for the C100 just as they took the recording backend from the XF100/XF300 for the C300.

1920x1080 50p/60p has been a rarity on professional cameras so there are few wedding shooters who could be using it so perhaps the guys that Andy met were looking to upgrade from 50i while still preserving that smooth motion video look.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

A user elsewhere did a comparison between 1080i60 and 720p60 (both conformed to 24p) with his C300 and posted the results to vimeo. I thought some of you might find it interesting.

Here's the vimeo link:
C300 SlowMo Test on Vimeo

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

price in UK

went from

3775+vat to 4165+vat

I guess the first price was for the pre-orders.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Since the C100 announcement at the end of August, the lowest pre-order price I ever saw the cam offered for was £3,699 ex VAT (last weekend with H Preston Media) and I've been watching the pre-order price at all the reputable UK dealers closely. VAT is 20% in the UK currently, for those that don't know.

I see that in the last 24-48 hours some UK dealers have raised their prices back to somewhere near (or in one case £5 above) the price the C100 was offered at originally, typically then and now at around £4,162 ex VAT (which is a shade under £5K including VAT) - but since my company is VAT registered I only really care about the ex VAT price.

Some who were brave enough to pre-order from the right dealer may have got a good price :-) assuming the cam fits your specific needs and you see value in its best features like I do.

My guess (and hope!) is this price hike means a shipment of C100 cameras is destined to arrive in the UK very shortly. Indeed one UK dealer (H Preston Media again) is stating on their website that the C100 will be available from a specific date in mid-November.

On another topic, there are rumours that we will see a new official Canon C100 demo video within a week - hopefully one that enables an assessment of the quality that I expect this cam will be capable of!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Brian C Weed reports from Createasphere that C100 demo videos are near release.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Yes, they are currently editing a narrative piece & a doc style piece. We are hoping to show one of them at our C100 debut event we are having at Canon Hollywood on Dec 1st.

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Awesome! When do expect the C100 to be available?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Just got the word....C100 will start shipping the week after Thanksgiving......

Jim Martin
Filmtools.com

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Great news! Thanks Jim!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Excellent, thanks!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

No 1080/p50/p60 was the deal breaker for me. Even a GoPro can do that nowadays.
Beside that the C100 is a nice camera.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Andy, when do you get yours?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I wish I knew! I must be at (or very, very, close to) the top of CVP's order list here in the UK - since I placed my order within 24 hours of the C100 announcement/it appearing on their website for pre-order. So I hope I'll get some pleasant news soon...

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Wow! Black Magic have just released new firmware for the HyperDeck Shuttle 2 that supports recording to ProRes. This makes it far & away the cheapest option for recording from the HDMI of the C100 (& the 5D3 come next April). At little more than the size of a couple of 2.5" SSDs it's compact too.
Blackmagic Design: View Press Release
Blackmagic Design: HyperDeck Shuttle Tech Specs

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Interesting! Wonder if it will recognise the Record start/stop actions of the C100 like the Ninja 2 can? (i.e. no need to press Record on both the camera and the HDS 2).

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I see H Preston Media have changed their website so the C100 now says "usually available within 1-2 days" (it did say available from 14th Nov).

I've still not heard anything from CVP. Maybe Preston got the only UK container load! Anyone with an order with them know what's going on?

More thoughts on the Hyperdeck Shuttle 2 ProRes 422 (HQ 220 Mbps) announcement.

1. I'm still favouring a Atomos Ninja 2 for the C100 as that way I'll get an additional screen - so that I can point it to the camera's 'control button side' when doing locked down/sit down interviews (since the C100 screen can't do that particular position - and on the 'dumb' side only at an awkward angle).
2. Also, although relatively cheap, don't forget you really need the mounting plate for the HDS 2 which adds both cost, thickness and weight, plus you'll need a means of powering it. Mind you, the Ninja 2 with a battery or two will add bulk and weight too.
3. Start/stop record feature? My guess is they would have mentioned this in the press release if it had this very useful functionality but I suspect this is the Ninja 2s trump card with the C100 and a few other specified cams - at least until Blackmagic get around to adding this functionality in a future firmware update on the HDS 2.
4. I really do like the fact that the HDS 2 is both SDI and HDMI though - means I could use it on my EX3 as well if I ever wanted to (i.e. without having to buy the extra converter from Atomos - which adds more bulk, weight and cost).

I stress point 3 is speculation on my part until we get some confirmation - maybe someone at today's BVE North in Manchester could ask this specific question on the Blackmagic stand?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

What about a Sound Devices Pix 220 to get better sound?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Nice device but it's 7-8X the price of the HyperDeck Shuttle v2 & weighs 2lbs.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Huge moire in the preproduction C100 video. C100 are makeup and crane shots. And handy close up shots, whatever that means, if it is all closeups then that looks good. But look at moire in roof in all crane shots. Unless that is a Vimeo artifact. Don't think so. C100 footage is AVCHD. DR is questionable. Slider shots are C300.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

You can also see moire in the beginning inside the venue at the ceiling, they say they used a c100/300 but I also see a guy filming with, I think, a Sony vg20 (around 02:00) but maybe it was one of the guests.
Must say that the images in the trailer don't look that spectacular, looks more like something my 550d would be able to do as well. Wonder if it was done with these camera's, I have seen some images from the c300 done by Nigel and there you could easily pick the c300 shots out when paired with a 5D. In the trailer the c100 shots look very soft.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Let us hope Canon has cleared this up in the production firmware. BTW it has been reported that The preproduction model clipped at 85 IRE when at 320 ISO.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

On the subject of the HyperDeck Shuttle.
My preferences is for a recorder that becomes part of the camera.
That means fixing it underneath the camera with a tripod plate beneath the shuttle, so that the camera can be used handheld or on a tripod etc without any fuss.
A friend pointed me to Stefan Sargent's post on his site last year which shares this sentiment and shows his solution.
If you scroll down the page you can see it here:
WHY CAN?T A VIDEO CAMERA BE MORE LIKE A VIOLIN? | ARTICLES
Perhaps Black Magic or somebody else could produce something like this.
Part of the joy of the C100 (and C300) to me is that it doesn't need pimping up.
As simple as possible please eg no rails.
BTW I hope the Hypershuttle will stop and start with the camera. Seems a no brainer and can't be that difficult surely.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The 85 IRE cut-off at 320 ISO issue post is right here:

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/new-cano...ml#post1763723

Also, this user has a file available to download that exhibits no moire at all. I was excited to see that.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I read on another forum that 35 Canon C100s have now been shipped to authorised resellers in Oz and that the next batch will be shipped at the end of Nov. I guess we should be seeing more user generated material on the web very soon then!

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

From personal experience I wouldn't believe anything about delivery dates on Preston's website nor indeed any promises that they may give you by email or phone.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Some new videos on vimeo

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

These look very promising! Thanks for posting.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Several of them were shot at 320 ISO and at less than optimal picture profiles, or is stylisticly graded, reducing DR andpixture quality dramatically.. I have yet to see a real test of the shippping camera.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Read his description again. This is a production model he purchased.

Re: Canon EOS C100 and Nanoflash
 

Just took a 5 minute break from editing and found this. Looks like the C100 clips are coming in thick and fast from Australia now! :-)

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I see some C100s have now arrived with a dealer in the USA. My supplier here in the UK (CVP) are now stating "less than 7 days" availability. Yippee!

So 2 things then.

1. I better finally tell my wife I bought a new camera before the box arrives! ;-)

2. Ask Chris H to create a new forum area for the C100 - now that they are finally shipping/getting out into the wild, maybe lumped in with the C300 in a "C100 & C300" section. However, maybe we need a section just called "Canon Cinema EOS" - because there are also the C500 and 1D-C models to consider.

Any other/better suggestions?

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Filmtools says our team's C100 has arrived.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Another video

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Shooting at 320 ISO will reduce DR on bth the C100 and the C300 production models, The Chinese tests were done at 320.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

I was pointing out that you said you have yet to see a real test from a production model and my point is the camera he has is a production model. That was all.

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

Just a quick note, the U.S. dealer that has the C100 in stock now is one of our trusted site sponsors, Texas Media Systems -- the link is http://www.texasmediasystems.com

And yes I agree, it's about time to spin off a dedicated forum for the C100.

(photo by Texas Media Systems)

Re: Canon EOS C100
 

The C100 has arrived in the UK. CVP website says they now have 21 in stock (and one of them is MINE!!!!). 2-3 days delivery so should have it early next week.

Pity I'm mega busy with clients - I doubt I'll have much time to play with the camera the next few weeks.

Will check it out though to make sure it does not have a stuck pixel like the one in that Vimeo video posted by Miko - see a few posts above.