HDLink -- various questions

David Newman · August 30th, 2006, 09:44 AM

As you have a Sony camera, only the CineFrame 24 mode uses pulldown (I think the HC3 has that as the HC1 and FX1 and Z1 did.) But it tends to be an unpopular mode, so I doubt you shot with it. We use the pulldown control with the deinterlace control to make a new function, 60i to 24p -- sorry if that is a little confusing -- try it out.

Also try out anything before buying it, even the great magic bullet. Your desire for a film look may or may not be achieved with post processing alone, camera techniques can help -- plus no-one truly agrees on what makes a film look (often mentioned: 24 or 25 frames progressive, grain, high dynamic range, shallow depth of field -- not all are archivable with video.)

If you have CineForm AVIs edit with them, you will never want to touch M2T files after that -- CineForm is that much easier to edit with.

Ben Winter · September 19th, 2006, 09:43 AM

has the latest version of HDLink corrrected this problem? I still have it. HDLink randomly stops X minutes into the tape.

David Newman · September 19th, 2006, 09:52 AM

Sorry, David T. can confused another issue. Some systems the camera temporarily disconnects causes a shortened capture, it isn't common in the customer base and nothing has changed to address that -- although it is still in the database waiting a solution. What has been fixed is batch conversion of M2Ts which used to stop at random.

Michael Y Wong · November 4th, 2006, 06:01 PM

Hello

Lately I've been trying to get best DVD output from HDV via:

PP2.0-> output M2t(backup to HDVTape)-> M2T File Convert to Cineform AVI (via HDLink)-> VirtualDub Resized to 720x480 AVI-> Procoder to Variable Bit DVD.

The results are actually very good.

However one of the my outputs was a music video and thus I had meticulously cut the video directly in sync with the audio. The M2t file preserved my A/V sync with no problems but however when I watched the Cineform HD AVI (generated via HDLink) I noticed that the audio and video was NOT perfectly in sync.

So I tried recreated another Cineform HD AVI file but this time from the timeline from within PP2.0 and thus the Cineform AVi was now in proper audio video sync.

Has anyone else noticed this problem when using HDLink?

Thanks in advance!

David Newman · November 4th, 2006, 06:45 PM

Likely there is nothing wrong with the AVI, sometimes playback within mediaplayer can be slightly off on some PCs. To make files easier to play use this tool

http://www.cineform.com/downloads/PlaybackControls.zip

Double click on AcceleratedPlay.reg so the mediaplay will decode faster.

Brian Panelo · November 13th, 2006, 12:58 PM

Shot footage in 50i Cineframe 25 and like to edit in the CineForm preset in PPro 2.0 24p.

Clip does not play correctly in the the timeline, but goes directly to the end of the clip.

David Newman · November 13th, 2006, 01:24 PM

Within the capture settings panel set "Rate Change" to convert your 25p/50i to 24p or (more common) 23.976p. If playback issues presist after make this change, please file a trouble ticket at www.cineform.com/support.

Brian Panelo · November 13th, 2006, 01:44 PM

Thanks for the quick reply, but still the same issue. Submitted a ticket and awaiting a response

Brian Panelo · November 13th, 2006, 02:33 PM

one more thing...I'm using HDLink to capture 60i now...

I noticed that any CineForm Project used will not play the video correctly. Although, if I import the same video into the Adobe HDV 60i project, the video plays just fine.

Question is: Will I lose any benefits as far as editing goes??

David Newman · November 13th, 2006, 02:35 PM

Yes, you loose lots. Clearly something isn't install correctly on your system. You should try reinstalling Aspect HD as a quick fix.

Brian Panelo · November 13th, 2006, 03:11 PM

could it be something in the playback settings? The moment i change from composite video to alpha or anything else, it plays...

I have an nVidia quadro fx 560

David Newman · November 13th, 2006, 03:40 PM

I doubt it. Sounds like an install issue or a DirectX issue.

Dave Campbell · November 26th, 2006, 07:19 AM

Still trying to debug my issue. The more data I get, the faster I may find root cause.

Dave

David Newman · November 26th, 2006, 10:20 AM

Select the LOG window then ALT+"Print Screen" to capture a picture to the clipboard. Use IrfanView (irfanview.com) to past the picture and save a PNG.

Dave Campbell · November 26th, 2006, 10:38 AM

Yea, I know I can do this. But, some of the log files are multiple screens long. So, maybe an enhancement input, be able to save the entire log file.

Dave

August 30th, 2006, 09:44 AM	#76
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	As you have a Sony camera, only the CineFrame 24 mode uses pulldown (I think the HC3 has that as the HC1 and FX1 and Z1 did.) But it tends to be an unpopular mode, so I doubt you shot with it. We use the pulldown control with the deinterlace control to make a new function, 60i to 24p -- sorry if that is a little confusing -- try it out. Also try out anything before buying it, even the great magic bullet. Your desire for a film look may or may not be achieved with post processing alone, camera techniques can help -- plus no-one truly agrees on what makes a film look (often mentioned: 24 or 25 frames progressive, grain, high dynamic range, shallow depth of field -- not all are archivable with video.) If you have CineForm AVIs edit with them, you will never want to touch M2T files after that -- CineForm is that much easier to edit with. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

September 19th, 2006, 09:43 AM	#77
Ben Winter Trustee Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 1,675 Images: 1	has the latest version of HDLink corrrected this problem? I still have it. HDLink randomly stops X minutes into the tape. __________________ BenWinter.com

September 19th, 2006, 09:52 AM	#78
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Sorry, David T. can confused another issue. Some systems the camera temporarily disconnects causes a shortened capture, it isn't common in the customer base and nothing has changed to address that -- although it is still in the database waiting a solution. What has been fixed is batch conversion of M2Ts which used to stop at random. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 4th, 2006, 06:01 PM	#79
Michael Y Wong Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada! Posts: 353	Differnces in A/V Synchronization between HDlink & CineformHD within PP2.0 Hello Lately I've been trying to get best DVD output from HDV via: PP2.0-> output M2t(backup to HDVTape)-> M2T File Convert to Cineform AVI (via HDLink)-> VirtualDub Resized to 720x480 AVI-> Procoder to Variable Bit DVD. The results are actually very good. However one of the my outputs was a music video and thus I had meticulously cut the video directly in sync with the audio. The M2t file preserved my A/V sync with no problems but however when I watched the Cineform HD AVI (generated via HDLink) I noticed that the audio and video was NOT perfectly in sync. So I tried recreated another Cineform HD AVI file but this time from the timeline from within PP2.0 and thus the Cineform AVi was now in proper audio video sync. Has anyone else noticed this problem when using HDLink? Thanks in advance! __________________ dreaming hobbyist + storyteller www.michaelywong.com

November 4th, 2006, 06:45 PM	#80
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Likely there is nothing wrong with the AVI, sometimes playback within mediaplayer can be slightly off on some PCs. To make files easier to play use this tool http://www.cineform.com/downloads/PlaybackControls.zip Double click on AcceleratedPlay.reg so the mediaplay will decode faster. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 13th, 2006, 12:58 PM	#81
Brian Panelo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 8	HDLink Settings for Sony Z1U Shot footage in 50i Cineframe 25 and like to edit in the CineForm preset in PPro 2.0 24p. Clip does not play correctly in the the timeline, but goes directly to the end of the clip.

November 13th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#82
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Within the capture settings panel set "Rate Change" to convert your 25p/50i to 24p or (more common) 23.976p. If playback issues presist after make this change, please file a trouble ticket at www.cineform.com/support. Attached Thumbnails __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 13th, 2006, 01:44 PM	#83
Brian Panelo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 8	Thanks for the quick reply, but still the same issue. Submitted a ticket and awaiting a response

November 13th, 2006, 02:33 PM	#84
Brian Panelo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 8	one more thing...I'm using HDLink to capture 60i now... I noticed that any CineForm Project used will not play the video correctly. Although, if I import the same video into the Adobe HDV 60i project, the video plays just fine. Question is: Will I lose any benefits as far as editing goes??

November 13th, 2006, 02:35 PM	#85
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Yes, you loose lots. Clearly something isn't install correctly on your system. You should try reinstalling Aspect HD as a quick fix. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 13th, 2006, 03:11 PM	#86
Brian Panelo New Boot Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 8	could it be something in the playback settings? The moment i change from composite video to alpha or anything else, it plays... I have an nVidia quadro fx 560

November 13th, 2006, 03:40 PM	#87
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	I doubt it. Sounds like an install issue or a DirectX issue. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 26th, 2006, 07:19 AM	#88
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	Can HDlink log file be saved? Still trying to debug my issue. The more data I get, the faster I may find root cause. Dave

November 26th, 2006, 10:20 AM	#89
David Newman CTO, CineForm Inc. Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Cardiff-by-the-Sea, California Posts: 8,095	Select the LOG window then ALT+"Print Screen" to capture a picture to the clipboard. Use IrfanView (irfanview.com) to past the picture and save a PNG. __________________ David Newman -- web: www.gopro.com blog: cineform.blogspot.com -- twitter: twitter.com/David_Newman

November 26th, 2006, 10:38 AM	#90
Dave Campbell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 568	Yea, I know I can do this. But, some of the log files are multiple screens long. So, maybe an enhancement input, be able to save the entire log file. Dave