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Robin Probyn · January 13th, 2011, 02:13 AM

Just wondered.. in case I ever have to do it.. is it.. press play on NF.. press record on camera.. BNC from play out NF to HD SDI ...???

Thanks

Dave Sperling · January 13th, 2011, 07:57 AM

I suppose that depends whether you have an HD-SDI 'Pool Feed' option in your camera? Or you could always just go to a deck with an HD-SDI input...

Chris Hurd · January 13th, 2011, 08:21 AM

Which camera? On most SDI-equipped cameras below $20K such
as the Canon XL H1S, Panasonic HPX370 and the like, the SDI jack
is output only.

Rafael Amador · January 14th, 2011, 03:23 AM

Sure.
No reason for professional cameras to have HD/SD-SDI IN.
rafael

Robin Probyn · January 14th, 2011, 10:18 AM

Hi

Camera is HDX900 ..

Chris Hurd · January 14th, 2011, 10:44 AM

The SDI jack on the HDX900 is output only.

Re: the "pool feed" option, you can bring HD into the viewfinder with
the Panasonic AG-YA500G interface box, but there's no way to get
it to the camera's VTR section for recording, sorry.

Dave Sperling · January 14th, 2011, 12:14 PM

Hi Chris,
Seems like you're just talking about a 'viewfinder return' option.
I was thinking of 'pool feed option' the way Sony does it - where an add-on board gives the camera the capability to record an SDI input, typically useful for news crews where there is limited access to a location (such as a courtroom) or when crews are kept in another room - such as a press room - during an event (such as a concert) where they are allowed to take a line feed of parts of the event. Having the pool feed option in the camera eliminates the need to bring along a separate recorder, and is particularly convenient when this aspect of the shoot comes up as a surprise.
In the case of a standard pool feed option on a Sony 700 or 800, I see no reason why it wouldn't record the signal properly as played back from the NanoFlash.

Chris Hurd · January 14th, 2011, 12:48 PM

Aha! Thanks Dave,

Not sure if that's an option for the Panasonic HDX900 though...

Much appreciated,

Robin Probyn · January 14th, 2011, 07:57 PM

Ok thanks.. so that wont work..anyway doubt I,ll ever have to.. just wondered..

What about tape to CF.. this should be straight forward..? put tape in camera.. press play.. SDI out to Nano

press record on Nanoflash.. or not :)

Thanks again for the info..

Dan Keaton · January 15th, 2011, 05:15 AM

Dear Robyn,

Playing a tape, then recording in the nanoFlash is very easy.

You can press play and then record on the nanoFlash, or vice versa.

Or you can set the nanoFlash to record on Incrementing Timecode,
System|Trigger|Timecode (TC)

But, since the HDX900 starts with some bogus timecode values, be certain to set the timecode delay to 1 second.

System|Timecode|Trigger Delay|1

Robin Probyn · January 15th, 2011, 05:57 AM

Hi Dan

Ok thanks.. would last record Last TC also work? TC delay must be in the new firmware then.. dont think I have that.What would the purpose of TC delay be.. in ordinary recording mode.. ie running tape.. and nanoflash for live recording.. not play back or anything..

Thanks again

Dan Keaton · January 15th, 2011, 06:16 AM

Dear Robyn,

System|Trigger|Timecode > Last TC is designed to prevent recording on the nanoFlash if one is reviewing clips on the camera.

Thus the nanoFlash is remembering the highest timecode that it has received since it has been powered on.

When a lower timecode is received, such as when backups the tape then starts to play again, the nanoFlash will not record.

Timecode Delay is to overcome the problem when cameras, such as the HDX900 put out bogus timecodes prior to actually going into record. For the HDX900 use a setting of 1.

This menu setting (feature) is available on 1.6.248.

Robin Probyn · January 15th, 2011, 06:57 AM

Hi Dan

Ok thanks.. I havn,t had any problems with un wanted recording from the HDX900 TC.. I always set to trigger last TC.. no un wanted files ?

Mark Job · January 20th, 2011, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton

Dear Robyn,

Playing a tape, then recording in the nanoFlash is very easy.

You can press play and then record on the nanoFlash, or vice versa.

Or you can set the nanoFlash to record on Incrementing Timecode,
System|Trigger|Timecode (TC)

But, since the HDX900 starts with some bogus timecode values, be certain to set the timecode delay to 1 second.

System|Timecode|Trigger Delay|1

….Hi Dan:
Try this one on for size folks. Set your Nano or XDR to Record Trigger TC (TC must be set to *Embedded* in cameras which output the audio & video along with the TC via HD-SDI.) Press Play on your in camera tape deck and as soon as your Nano or XDR receives the embedded TC in the HD-SDI input, then it will immediately fire into Record ! Presto ! Unattended transfers to CF cards are now possible ! Don't have a camera which embeds the TC and audio signal in the HD-SDI output stream ? (Like Canon XL H1 Original Version) Set Nano or XDR to Record Trigger TC LTC, and use an RCA to XLR (MALE) Stereo output cable from the side of the XL H1's input/outputs and it still gets the job done with the XDR. With the Nano Flash it's even simpler - Use a 1/8 inch Stereo to RCA cable and you're done.

* You must set

January 13th, 2011, 02:13 AM	#1
Robin Probyn Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Posts: 590	Rec from CF card to tape in camera Just wondered.. in case I ever have to do it.. is it.. press play on NF.. press record on camera.. BNC from play out NF to HD SDI ...??? Thanks

January 13th, 2011, 08:21 AM	#3
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Which camera? On most SDI-equipped cameras below $20K such as the Canon XL H1S, Panasonic HPX370 and the like, the SDI jack is output only. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 14th, 2011, 10:44 AM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	The SDI jack on the HDX900 is output only. Re: the "pool feed" option, you can bring HD into the viewfinder with the Panasonic AG-YA500G interface box, but there's no way to get it to the camera's VTR section for recording, sorry. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 14th, 2011, 12:48 PM	#8
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	Aha! Thanks Dave, Not sure if that's an option for the Panasonic HDX900 though... Much appreciated, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

January 15th, 2011, 05:15 AM	#10
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Robyn, Playing a tape, then recording in the nanoFlash is very easy. You can press play and then record on the nanoFlash, or vice versa. Or you can set the nanoFlash to record on Incrementing Timecode, System\|Trigger\|Timecode (TC) But, since the HDX900 starts with some bogus timecode values, be certain to set the timecode delay to 1 second. System\|Timecode\|Trigger Delay\|1 __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 13th, 2011, 07:57 AM	#2
Dave Sperling Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tinton Falls, NJ Posts: 780	I suppose that depends whether you have an HD-SDI 'Pool Feed' option in your camera? Or you could always just go to a deck with an HD-SDI input...

January 14th, 2011, 03:23 AM	#4
Rafael Amador Major Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Vientiane (Lao PDR) Posts: 349	Sure. No reason for professional cameras to have HD/SD-SDI IN. rafael

January 14th, 2011, 10:18 AM	#5
Robin Probyn Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Posts: 590	Hi Camera is HDX900 ..

January 14th, 2011, 12:14 PM	#7
Dave Sperling Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tinton Falls, NJ Posts: 780	Hi Chris, Seems like you're just talking about a 'viewfinder return' option. I was thinking of 'pool feed option' the way Sony does it - where an add-on board gives the camera the capability to record an SDI input, typically useful for news crews where there is limited access to a location (such as a courtroom) or when crews are kept in another room - such as a press room - during an event (such as a concert) where they are allowed to take a line feed of parts of the event. Having the pool feed option in the camera eliminates the need to bring along a separate recorder, and is particularly convenient when this aspect of the shoot comes up as a surprise. In the case of a standard pool feed option on a Sony 700 or 800, I see no reason why it wouldn't record the signal properly as played back from the NanoFlash.

January 14th, 2011, 07:57 PM	#9
Robin Probyn Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Posts: 590	Ok thanks.. so that wont work..anyway doubt I,ll ever have to.. just wondered.. What about tape to CF.. this should be straight forward..? put tape in camera.. press play.. SDI out to Nano press record on Nanoflash.. or not :) Thanks again for the info..

January 15th, 2011, 05:57 AM	#11
Robin Probyn Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Posts: 590	Hi Dan Ok thanks.. would last record Last TC also work? TC delay must be in the new firmware then.. dont think I have that.What would the purpose of TC delay be.. in ordinary recording mode.. ie running tape.. and nanoflash for live recording.. not play back or anything.. Thanks again

January 15th, 2011, 06:16 AM	#12
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Robyn, System\|Trigger\|Timecode > Last TC is designed to prevent recording on the nanoFlash if one is reviewing clips on the camera. Thus the nanoFlash is remembering the highest timecode that it has received since it has been powered on. When a lower timecode is received, such as when backups the tape then starts to play again, the nanoFlash will not record. Timecode Delay is to overcome the problem when cameras, such as the HDX900 put out bogus timecodes prior to actually going into record. For the HDX900 use a setting of 1. This menu setting (feature) is available on 1.6.248. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia

January 15th, 2011, 06:57 AM	#13
Robin Probyn Major Player Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Tokyo Posts: 590	Hi Dan Ok thanks.. I havn,t had any problems with un wanted recording from the HDX900 TC.. I always set to trigger last TC.. no un wanted files ?