something strange hapening.
 

Kensington reader in each slot with transcend 8gb or 16gb or sandisk extreme 3 8gb.
When i remove the slot A sd card from the reader, the lcd shows the mins disappear from slot B but remaining in slot A !
If i the pull out sd card in slot B, slot A mins disappear.
I then need to pull out slot B sd and reinsert to get the mins showing again on slot B.
If i pull out sd in slot b then slot b mins disappear correctly.

The only way for me to get this to work correctly is to pull the whole adaptor and sd card as one by ejecting the adaptor properly.
It's like the slots are wired up wrong inside the cam.
I did the firmware upgrade myself so i know the cam hasn't been taken apart.
All the above problems don't happen with the sony sxs cards or if i use 1 sxs and 1 kensington/transcend.
Also on my colleagues EX1 which i updated, he doesn't have any of these problems, he just pulls the sd card out.

When i first did my upgrade, none of this happened.

Any suggestions ?

Thanks.
Paul.

Just notified by A that my SanDisk 32gb Ultra II will ship between 11/12-12/1/08.

Wow that's a bit of a wait. I have paid for mine and was hoping it would arrive in the next week or so. Looks like I am going to be disappointed.

Paul, there's nothing wrong with the camera or upgrade.

It makes sense that the EX won't flag the SDHC card removed since the system only knows removal of the entire expresscard (SxS).

If you're using two Kensington adaptors just use them like SxS cards and they will act the same.

Wow... I hope they are not correct on their arrival.

That's what i'll do from now on, remove the whole combo.
Even if someone makes a push/push adaptor we'll still have to remove the whole combo though.
It's no big deal though is it considering the money we're saving on cards.

I've been using the transcend 8 and 16gb cards, no problems so far.

Thanks.
Paul.

I hear you Paul. Now if we can get our hands on those dang Ultra II 32GB cards!

*Usually* Amazon's projected delivery date is very conservative, and products actually arrive much faster.

With Ultra 32Gb it could be a bit different as it depends on whether they actually have it in stock for shipping.

Faster sdhc downloads and new backup devices
 

While the following may be obvious to everyone, as I had not seen any discussion of the following, I thought i would comment briefly:

I recently picked up 2 - 16gb transcend sdhc cards - which each came with a usb sdhc card reader at no additional cost (about $32 US each). After filling both sdhc cards with video, I plugged each of them into a separate usb port (I used a usb powered six port hub attached to one of the ports in my computer), and was able to download them to my hard drive almost simultaneously. (There is no reason why you can't copy 3, 4, or more at a time using this same method - although it is likely to take a bit more time than just doing one card, it is much much faster than transferring the cards one at a time.) The only issue I had was due to the design of the transcend card reader - which mounts the sdhc card from the side - thus blocking some of the usb ports - so, in my case, the six usb port hub would only allow 4 cards to be inserted at a time.)

Thought i would also mention that I own a Nokia N800 which also takes sdhc cards and was able to get one of the several media player software packages I have for it to recognize the ex mp4 file and play it. Because of the very slow n800 processor, it was so slow as to be useless, however, it clearly displayed an occasional frame and the file manager allowed me to see the file size, etc., so i could tell that the file was generally ok.

I am going to try to borrow an epson p-5000 and several other devices (including an ipod video if the usb camera adapter will work with the sdhc cards) which were designed to store still photos or movies to see if I can do in-the-field backups without using a laptop. While there are very few expresscard devices that exist for this purpose, numerous devices exist which can read sdhc cards. While their processors are sufficiently slow to make it unlikely that they can play the video, they can still be used for purposes of making a backup. (Some may allow copying to a hd, like the p-5000. Others, like my n800, hold two sdhc cards, and can be used to copy one card to another.)

So you must be copying using windows instead of clip browser.
Using clip browser is the recomended method, but i have thought about copying more than 1 sdhc card at a time using these usb/sdhc readers.
Have you had any errors yet copying with windows ?

What are other sdhc card users doing ?
Is everyone still recomending clip browser ?

Paul.

I imagine you will still need the browser if you have spanned a continuous video across both SDHC cards.

For rewrapping yes. But what about just copying the BAPV folder to your hard-drive ?

Is windows safe enough ?

Paul.

Paul -

I was copying the entire card contents using windows and it worked fine - I had each card copied into its own new folder. (I had one definitely weird anomaly, however. which i do not attribute to the copying procedure at all, but I could be wrong.)

The 2 cards i copied were the first cards that i had used in my ex3. they are 2- 16gb transcend -class 6 in 2 of the kensington express card adapters. I put them both in the camera and let it run for about 2 hours. Each card filled to capacity and the camera recognized them and transferred from the first card to the second properly. I then copied each card, using windows xp pro, to its own new folder on my hard drive. Subsequently, I launched adobe premiere cs3 - updated to directly recognize ex files, set up a new project using 1080 30p (which is what the camera had been set to use) and then imported the files from card A from the hard drive. I then imported the card b files from the hard drive.

Premiere recognized the files and did the import - but what i got was approximately 10 files, each of almost identical length, and each containing what seems to be identical copies of the contents of both cards. I suspect that this has something to do with the fact that the video spanned 2 cards (I have not done that before), that the copying had not been done with sony's software, or that because my main machine uses the xp file format rather than fat32, premiere may have done some combining of the fat32 files - or some combination of some or all of these - or e) - none of the above.

I will fool with this a bit more as I have not paid much attention tothe actual file formats used by the camera or any of the software up to this point. However, from the standpoint of moving files to a hard drive or making backups, I suspect that simultaneous multi-card file moves using windows can still be done safely as what I got on the hard drive was identical to what was on the two cards and played perfectly from the premiere timeline.

BPAV copying using op systems (instead of programs)
 

Hi all

Confirm that as an editor I've been simultaneously copying multiple BPAV folders directly into computers off the SxS or CF cards (into their own discrete folder names, of course) on both PC and Mac systems (both PowerPC and Mac Pro) in XP XP2, Vista, and OX 10.4.11 and 10.5.x with zero problems so far.

Bridged files have been imported using the various utilities.

I have been cutting EX1 stuff for around 6 months and will finally have my own camera in around a week.
HTH

Congrats Chris!

Look into the Kensington / SDHC (Ultra II 15MB/s) to save $$$

10 clips at 3.5 gb each i bet. with the same clip number but with a 1 then a 2 then a 3 etc on the end.

The clips are split ( by the cam i think) into smaller clips. If you viewed the clips in clip browser then you would see 1 long clip, which in reality is what it was. If you then rewrapped using clip browser then those consecutive clips get rewrapped as 1 clip into a long mxf clip.

But we're not talking about rewrapping here, just copying, so windows is safe then, which i thought it would be.
So, multiple sdhc cards in multiple readers,for multiple offload, this gets better.

Thanks.
Paul.

Actually - I never considered the thought on transferring multiple SDHC cards at the same time.
Now that will match up to SxS transfer offload to PC speed. Well, unless you're rich enough (lol) to own a couple Sony SxS readers.

Alternatives for Kensington?
 

Does anybody have any experience with the Sony MSAC-EX1 Memory Stick Duo Express Card adapter in combination with Memory Stick Pro Duo Mark2? Does it allow the card door to be closed and does the card work reliably ?

Same question about the SanDisk ExpressCard adapter. Can the door be closed and does it work as reliably as the Kensington?

I just returned the SanDisk ExpressCard adapter to Best Buy today... the card wouldn't even go in half way.... and I got the invalid media error. No go for Sandisk's reader.

Just ordered my Kensington 7-in-1 card reader. Was browsing through the other forum and saw similiar post on Kensington + SDHC memory combo.

He also reported buying five 16GB Ultra II 15MB/s SDHC cards for his EX1. As expected, he said they all work fine with no errors.

Paul -

I went back and played with my files again and found that what I got using clip browser 2.0 and what i got using premiere cs3 was identical and, in both instances they were what you guessed they would be - 10 files with identical names - with 01, 02, etc appended.

So, I am sticking with my original premise - now confirmed by others, that you can use windows - and probably any other operating system - my n800 is linux based - to make nearly simultaneous transfers from multiple sdhc cards at the same time and then use either clip browser, premiere, or any other tool you normally use to re-wrap the files for actual use. It also means that many file backup devices used by still photographers in the field will likely be usable as a temporary storage devices for the brav folders - and could also be used to copy the files to another sdhc card - so that we could have three or more copies in the field if so desired - some could even be mailed home as further protection. (At $32 US for 16gb transcend sdhc cards - with a usb reader included (I know it is not the "preferred card, but many have had complete success with it), one could have 26 cards for the price of one 16gb sxs card - so multiple copies would still be relatively inexpensive.)

As a bit of follow-up to a side comment in my very first post - I read another recent comment from someone at Convergent Design which stated that the ex 1/3 uses the same chip for transcoding as is used in the new Sony 50-422 camera (but it uses 2 of the chips for faster processing), which they have previously stated is also the chip used by convergent design in the flash xdr and nano. Since convergent design uses only 1 chip, I still am speculating that, with the proper code, the ex 1 and 3 could be made to save to express cards at 50-422 - but this is all my speculation - based on convergent design personnel comments.

I'm using the transcend 16gb and 8gb cards.
No problems so far, plenty of testing, timelapse, interval record, clips spanning cards etc.
As far as i can tell, at the moment, they're the best bang for your buck.

Paul.

Faster Transcend SDHC >150X
 

When i got my transcend cards (133x) i looked at the paperwork which came with it, there is listed on that piece of paper a faster sdhc, at 150x, different model/part number.
My supplier has now got 1 in stock for me to try so i'll be trying the overcrank test today or tomorrow, i'll post results and price here.

Paul.

Wow I wonder if convergent designs or similar could modify the cameras for this!

Hi Eli-
Just for clarification, MPEG2 4:2:2 requires two CODEC chips. The Sony PDW-700 and our Flash XDR / nanoFlash have 2 of these CODECs to support the 4:2:2 profile. The EX1/EX3 only has one CODEC and therefore will always be limited to 4:2:0 color space.

But, of course, when you add the Flash XDR or nanoFlash to the EX1/EX3 you can get datarates up to 4:2:2 100 Mbps (Long-GOP) or 160 Mbps (I-Frame).

Can anyone see why not this would not work in a EX 30 Record deck?
Anyone got one that they could try?

Thanks
Martin

Hi
Got the Sony MSAC-EX1 Memory stick duo expresscard adapter and if fits perfectly into the compartment and the door can be closed on the EX3. Now I am only waiting for a memory stick duo pro that is fast enough. I'll let you know if it works.
----Bo Skelmose

This combo will not work take a look at the first page.

Transcend 8GB / 32GB ExpressCard SSD works !
 

In my SONY EX3 the 8GB and 32GB transcend SSD card are working fine !

Volker, what exactly are the make/models of the adapter and cards that you use?

Links to online product info would be appreciated, thanks...

Are they working in HQ also? How much can you overcrank to?

Please let us know the exact model number for these cards?

Can you run all HQ modes without any errors?

Also, can you find out the highest overcrank FPS at 24P without an error?

The Kensington/Ultra II 15MB/s SDHC combo can overcrank to 40FPS at 24P without an error.

Volker is talking about an sxs card made by transcend, not an sd/adaptor combo.
I've also tried the transcend sxs card in my EX1, it works ok as long as not overcranking.
I can get them from the same supplier as my sdhc cards.
The sdhc cards work out cheaper though.

Paul.

Actually, Transcend do NOT make SxS cards (yet). They do make SSD cards like the cheap Lexar SSD cards that work in the SP mode only.
I imagine these are the cards mentioned:
http://www.transcendusa.com/Products...No=0&ModNo=162

So I'm really interested in if these SSD cards (especially the 32GB) will overcrank 24P higher than 40FPS without errors.

Yes you're correct, sorry, i know they're ssd (solid state drive) cards but some people do not know what that is, so i just refer to them as sxs cards so as to avoid confusion, ie we're not talking about the combo but one physical card, similar to sony's.

Paul.

I actually think that calling SSD cards SxS creates MORE confusion. :-)

I couldn't even get the PNY cards to format.. it says it needs to be restored but I don't see how to restore a card. :)

Can somebody briefly sum up now what works best?