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Steven Thomas October 20th, 2008 07:48 PM

BTW,
ALL.

"Currently", the Kensington is the ONLY card tested that works well in the EX1/EX3.
The Cables Unlimited Card Readers were only reported by a couple to work, but they had problems getting them to be recognized.

John Peterson October 20th, 2008 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Peterson (Post 953516)
I bought four from Buy.com as well, however I haven't opened them and I haven't purchased the Lexar SDHC cards, nor have I upgraded the firmware yet.

Alex said that he has to reinsert the Card readers a few times to get them to be recognized then he says he never has a problem. It was around $50 for the four of them and there is a $5 rebate. I was going to keep them, but now I am not sure it is worth it if in fact they do not work at all for you.

John

$45 for the card readers. $8 shipping fee to return them and a 15% restocking fee from Buy.com even though they are unopened and still in the factory blister pack.

Oh well, what good are they anyway?

John

Perrone Ford October 20th, 2008 08:53 PM

Oh GOOD GRIEF!

Thanks! Of course I don't have a screwdriver here at the house to fit it. I'll see if I can get it open tomorrow at work.

-P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas (Post 953545)
Are you at the point you insert the USB cable?

If so, make sure your using the hidden USB port on the EX1. It's hidden under a cover held by two screws.


Steven Thomas October 20th, 2008 09:03 PM

Also, remember when installing 1.10 first, it will NOT display 1.10 at the end.
Just go on to install 1.11 after 1.10 is complete.

Erik Phairas October 20th, 2008 10:11 PM

I tried my 2nd kensington card again... the one that refused to work on day one.. Works fine now.. I have no idea. Good to have a spare though.

Ted OMalley October 20th, 2008 10:20 PM

Steven,

Any thoughts about these cards?

SDSDHV016GA15 SanDisk 16 GB Video HD SDHC Memory Card

About half-price after the rebate!

Brian Rhodes October 20th, 2008 10:48 PM

I ordered 2 should have them WED.

Ted OMalley October 20th, 2008 10:49 PM

Please keep us posted - I may get a couple myself!

Steven Thomas October 21st, 2008 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted OMalley (Post 953588)
Steven,

Any thoughts about these cards?

SDSDHV016GA15 SanDisk 16 GB Video HD SDHC Memory Card

About half-price after the rebate!

That's a good question. I have not tried these.

Steven Thomas October 21st, 2008 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes (Post 953596)
I ordered 2 should have them WED.

Brian, if they work and you're up for it, could you run Crystal Disk Mark and report the speed?

John Peterson October 21st, 2008 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted OMalley (Post 953588)
Steven,

Any thoughts about these cards?

SDSDHV016GA15 SanDisk 16 GB Video HD SDHC Memory Card

About half-price after the rebate!

Unable to download rebate form from the Adorama website. Keeps saying "transferring", but never downloads. That aside, when you are able to download the form, check the address for the rebate. This from the SanDisk website:

For SanDisk Manufacturer's rebates:

If the rebate submission was mailed to one of the following address, it is a SanDisk Manufacturer’s rebate.
In the USA:

P.O Box 42903
Mesa, AZ 85274-2903
-or-
In Canada:

P.O. Box 4588 STN A
Toronto, ON M5W 4X1


John

Dave Bittner October 21st, 2008 09:18 AM

Sony SxS reader won't see Kensington adapter
 
I've got the Kensington adapter and the Sandisk 16gig cards, and they record fine on my EX-3. But the Sony SBAC-US10 SxS to USB card reader won't recognize the Kensington adapter. The cards simply don't mount on my Mac Pro. Has Sony perhaps made their reader SxS specific, and do I simply need to get another brand of Expresscard to USB reader?

Paul Kellett October 21st, 2008 09:27 AM

I haven't tried the sdhc and kensington in my sony reader because i sold the sony reader, however, i tried the sdhc and kensington in my laptop express slot and it works fine.
But why are you using the sony reader anyway ?
Do you have the little sdhc>usb reader ? sandisk and transcend make them, they're great, about the size of your thumb and no need for mains power like the sony reader.
That's what i use, it's just as fast as the sony reader.

Paul.

Steven Thomas October 21st, 2008 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Bittner (Post 953768)
I've got the Kensington adapter and the Sandisk 16gig cards, and they record fine on my EX-3. But the Sony SBAC-US10 SxS to USB card reader won't recognize the Kensington adapter. The cards simply don't mount on my Mac Pro. Has Sony perhaps made their reader SxS specific, and do I simply need to get another brand of Expresscard to USB reader?

Yes Dave.
The Kensington is a USB based expresscard rearder. It will NOT work with the Sony SBAC-US10 which is PCIe based. No big deal since SDHC card readers can be bought for $7.

Ronn Kilby October 21st, 2008 04:21 PM

Another working Combo
 
I tried the i-dot-connect brand "18-in-1" card reader (PPA Int'l) with SanDisk 16GB and it works, HQ and SQ. Overcranks at 60frames 24p for about 16 seconds before media error. I got it at Fry's for $24.99

Gints Klimanis October 21st, 2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronn Kilby (Post 953934)
I tried the i-dot-connect brand "18-in-1" card reader (PPA Int'l) with SanDisk 16GB and it works, HQ and SQ. Overcranks at 60frames 24p for about 16 seconds before media error. I got it at Fry's for $24.99

I'd worry about the speed of these card readers. When I measured a bunch as late as 2006, some of the PQI and other cheapies topped out at 2 MB/Second read speed. If you want something more accurate than timing the transfer of a large file, try this program to measure the read/write performance:

HdTach

NOTE: be careful. The write test may obliterate the existing files on your card.

John Peterson October 21st, 2008 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Peterson (Post 953702)
SDSDHV016GA15 SanDisk 16 GB Video HD SDHC Memory Card
Unable to download rebate form from the Adorama website. Keeps saying "transferring", but never downloads. That aside, when you are able to download the form, check the address for the rebate. This from the SanDisk website:

For SanDisk Manufacturer's rebates:

If the rebate submission was mailed to one of the following address, it is a SanDisk Manufacturer’s rebate.
In the USA:

P.O Box 42903
Mesa, AZ 85274-2903
-or-
In Canada:

P.O. Box 4588 STN A
Toronto, ON M5W 4X1


John

Follow up:

The pdf file opened and the "rebate" is actually a SanDisk Visa Prepaid Card that can be used where merchants accept such a card. The cards have no cash value and are issued by a bank called MetaBank which I have never heard of. The so-called rebate does not appear to be an offer from SanDisk. Buyer beware.

John

Steven Thomas October 21st, 2008 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronn Kilby (Post 953934)
I tried the i-dot-connect brand "18-in-1" card reader (PPA Int'l) with SanDisk 16GB and it works, HQ and SQ. Overcranks at 60frames 24p for about 16 seconds before media error. I got it at Fry's for $24.99

Ron, if I remember right this card will not allow the EX1 door to close, right?

Also, check 24P overcrank at 50FPS and see if this errors.

Ronn Kilby October 21st, 2008 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gints Klimanis (Post 953949)
I'd worry about the speed of these card readers. When I measured a bunch as late as 2006, some of the PQI and other cheapies topped out at 2 MB/Second read speed. If you want something more accurate than timing the transfer of a large file, try this program to measure the read/write performance:

HdTach

NOTE: be careful. The write test may obliterate the existing files on your card.

Real world results: I recorded 58 minutes (full card) 1080/60i. No prob.

Ronn Kilby October 21st, 2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas (Post 953968)
Ron, if I remember right this card will not allow the EX1 door to close, right?

Also, check 24P overcrank at 50FPS and see if this errors.

That's correct Steven, door will not close. I tried 24p overcrank at 60 and 48fps - got 16 and 18 seconds respectively before it gave an error.

Perrone Ford October 21st, 2008 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven Thomas (Post 953570)
Also, remember when installing 1.10 first, it will NOT display 1.10 at the end.
Just go on to install 1.11 after 1.10 is complete.


Thank you guys for all the help! Went like clockwork.

I absolutely CANNOT believe Sony want to charge $100 to do that 15 minutes of work. I'm in the wrong business.

My Kensingtons came today, and my card should be here by the end of the week. I hope to have 2-3 32GB cards by the end of November.

Life is good.

Robert Bale October 21st, 2008 07:45 PM

Who has the Kensington card in stock ?
 
Can some one tell me who has these in stock, i am having problems finding them.

Kensington 7-in1 Media Reader for Express Card

Thanks rob.

Barry J. Anwender October 21st, 2008 08:28 PM

Robert, your not alone. I'm also waiting because the Kensington is on back order. I'm after four of them, two from two suppliers, both are backordered.

Perrone Ford October 21st, 2008 08:38 PM

I got mine in 4 days. I'll find out where we ordered from.

Perrone Ford October 23rd, 2008 09:17 AM

Two things I wanted to say.

1. I wanted to express my sincere gratitude for ALL who've blazed this trail. My SDHC card came in today, and I placed in the Kensington Reader and put it in the camera. After a 3 second format, it was ready to roll. Couldn't have been easier. This discovery has absolutely changed how I will be able to use this camera. I was stuck doing all long form recording to my Firestore in HDV. I will no longer have to do that. Absolutely magnificent.

2. I promised I would alert users where I got my stuff from:

The SDHC sources I had on the list are:

Kensington 7-in-1 Media Reader 7-in-1 - Memory Stick, xD-Picture Card, Memory Stick PRO, MultiMediaCard (MMC), Secure Digital (SD) Card - K33407US - Buy.com
Kensington 7 in 1 Media Reader for ExpressCard slot card reader ExpressCard by Office Depot
https://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDe...ctID=20132558G

And the sources I listed for the SDHC cards are:

Newegg.com - SanDisk Ultra II 16GB Secure Digital High-Capacity (SDHC) Flash Card Model SDSDRH-016G-A11 - Flash Memory
PC Connection - 16GB Ultra II Secure Digital High Capacity Card with Reader

I sent these to our purchasing person and she took it from there. Hopefully, you have as much luck as I did.

Again, thanks everyone!

Matt Davis October 23rd, 2008 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perrone Ford (Post 954567)
I wanted to express my sincere gratitude for ALL who've blazed this trail.

I'd like to second that. To all you testers and trailblazers, IOU beer and more. Thank you.

Ted OMalley October 23rd, 2008 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes (Post 953596)
I ordered 2 should have them WED.

Brian, did you get your cards yet? do they work?

Thanks,

Ted

Ronn Kilby October 23rd, 2008 04:11 PM

Oh well.
 
Looks like EVERYONE is out of stock on the Kensington Readers.

Greg Chisholm October 23rd, 2008 04:57 PM

Profit sharing...
 
Kensington and the express card companies should share the wealth or at least give a shout out to Steven Thomas and other pioneers on this and other boards for their scientific method and discovery.

And in the process they've given sony something to think about!

Greg

Brian Rhodes October 23rd, 2008 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ted OMalley (Post 954698)
Brian, did you get your cards yet? do they work?

Thanks,

Ted

Just got the tracking number today.

I am a Designer for Engineering company. I have drawn up a design for an adapter that will fit inside the EX1. I am sending the 3d model and Schematic to get an estimate for fabrication next week. I will report back as soon as I get the quote.

Ted OMalley October 23rd, 2008 08:18 PM

Cool, Brian. And then, if you EX1 owners need to sell your Kensington's, just let the EX3 owner's know!

Jay Gladwell October 24th, 2008 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronn Kilby (Post 954795)
Looks like EVERYONE is out of stock on the Kensington Readers.

Yes, Ronn, I had the same problem.

You can order direct from Kensington:
7-in-1 Media Reader for ExpressCard® slot

Hope this helps.

Ned Soltz October 24th, 2008 07:50 AM

Kensington is out of stock, too.

Bet those production planners are wondering how come such a niche product suddenly sold out!

Brian Rhodes October 24th, 2008 07:53 AM

Maybe Sony bought out their Inventory...

Steven Thomas October 24th, 2008 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes (Post 954880)
Just got the tracking number today.

I am a Designer for Engineering company. I have drawn up a design for an adapter that will fit inside the EX1. I am sending the 3d model and Schematic to get an estimate for fabrication next week. I will report back as soon as I get the quote.

Brian, great - keep us posted.

Perrone Ford October 24th, 2008 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Rhodes (Post 955024)
Maybe Sony bought out their Inventory...

HAHAHAHA....



FADE IN:

INT. FACTORY FLOOR..

A TEENAGED BOY WORKS FEVERISHLY AT HIS WORKSTATION...

Boss
"You aren't working fast enough!"

Boy
"I am replacing these Kensington stickers as fast as I can sir!"

Boss
"I have to get the $150 pricing stickers on these tomorrow morning!"

Boy
"Hai! I'll work all night sir!"

Boss
"Row well, and live!"

FADE OUT

Paul Newman October 24th, 2008 10:27 AM

Fade in:

Noisy Shareholders Meeting at a certain company:

OFFICE JUNIOR:

I told you about the email I recieved two months ago..

CHAIRMAN:

"You're fired son."

SHAREHOLDERS:

"Who's responsible? We make the only Express Card Reader that allows the EX1 door to close, and no one made it work!"

CHAIRMAN:

"I resign, is it too late to call Sony?"

fade out.

Ronn Kilby October 24th, 2008 10:28 AM

Overcranking!
 
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Okay so I had a couple of the tiny 4GB Sony MemoryStick Pro-HG Duo cards sitting here (I use them in my Sony GV-HD700 HDV deck to grab stills for clients) and I thought, hmmm. Wonder if I can record on those babies. Stuck one in the reader (I don't have the Kensington, so do your own tests) and it said "format?" I said well this oughta be good. The 4GB gives 18minutes at HQ. I recorded some and it was fine. I thought hmmm. Wonder if it'll overcrank. Shot some 720/30p at 60 fps and it crapped out after 30 seconds. So I took it down to 50fps and guess what? Filled up the card with that and no errors. So these 4GB cards go for around 50 bucks. The 8GB around $75, and the 16GB around $125. I only have the 4GB so can't vouch for the others. But I am stoked. AND they ALMOST allow the door to close on the EX1. I may take one to the grinding wheel and shave a half a mm off.

Steven Thomas October 24th, 2008 10:33 AM

Ronn, what is the make and model # of your reader?

Ronn Kilby October 24th, 2008 10:43 AM

Steven: i-dot-connect brand "18-in-1" card reader (PPA Int'l)
Kinda generic, cheap. Got it at Fry's for $25.


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