EX1R and PMW350 First Details

Greg Boston · October 20th, 2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damian Heffernan

Like to know two things:
when will it be available to buy and will it be the same price as the EX1 on release with a reduction in the price of "old" ex1's.

The EX1R 'replaces' the EX1 which is now discontinued. Any current orders in the pipeline for an EX1 will get the newer camera instead.

-gb-

Heath McKnight · October 29th, 2009, 07:49 AM

The EX1R addresses issues I've had with the EX1, which I am a big fan, and seems to incorporate features I was used to in older models (V1u, Z1u). The PMW350 seems to be the ultimate camera!

I can't wait to learn more. Watching the video now with Bob Ott and Mel Medina.

Heath

Rick DeBari · October 30th, 2009, 11:23 PM

I wish this camera was not over about 4.5 lbs, had a built-in hard drive option or used standard, inexpensive SD cards(the memory stick adapter is lame). For goodness sake, when the heck is someone going to make an SXS->SD card adapter for the EX-1?
Other than those items it looks great. Just need to see what the price is going to be I guess..

Alister Chapman · October 31st, 2009, 02:30 AM

The EX1R is a professional level camera. Most pro users don't won't to risk valuable material buy using fragile hard drives in the field or uncertain consumer grade media.

SD card adapters do exist and many people on these forums are using them. I was one of the people that discovered the original Kensington adapter/SD card combo. However I still shoot on SxS as I know that it will work, without any issue, in any mode. I do have adapters and SD cards in my kit, but these are for emergencies only as they just don't give me the confidence that SxS does.

Paul Kellett · October 31st, 2009, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick DeBari

For goodness sake, when the heck is someone going to make an SXS->SD card adapter for the EX-1?

Where have you been ?

E-Films product range

Paul.

Chris Hurd · October 31st, 2009, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick DeBari

For goodness sake, when the heck is someone going to make an SXS->SD card adapter for the EX-1?

Hard to believe. See http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/sony-xdc...-shipping.html

Marcus Durham · October 31st, 2009, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick DeBari

I wish this camera was not over about 4.5 lbs, had a built-in hard drive option or used standard, inexpensive SD cards(the memory stick adapter is lame). For goodness sake, when the heck is someone going to make an SXS->SD card adapter for the EX-1?

There are 2 companies making such an adaptor specifically for the EX1. In fact using SD cards is one of the favourite topics on this very interweb forum.

Rick DeBari · October 31st, 2009, 09:35 AM

Thanks for the info folks!

I was aware that people had tried SxS work-arounds using SxS/SD card readers but I wasn't aware there were specific models that were tested specifically for the EX1R. This now makes me less afraid of going with the EX1R as the media costs scared me.

My only concern is the weight factor now. I do quite a bit of handheld shots at live events. Are lengthy handheld shots impractical with the EX1/R due to the weight factor?

Thanks,
Rick

Ron Wilk · October 31st, 2009, 09:57 AM

It weighs 6 lbs 2 oz with one SXS card and the standard battery and I understand that it still tends to lean to the left. I personally found the original Ex1 to be quite uncomfortable (wrist fatigue) when hand held for any more than ten minutes at a time but that was my experience, your's may be different. In addition, there has been some alleged improvement in the grip position but the only way to realistically address your concern is to try it for yourself. Because I found the camera to be unwieldy when hand held, I actually opted for the EX3, which, when coupled with one of the extended plates is IMO more easily supported but others will take issue with that statement and in the end, it is a personal decision.

Alister Chapman · October 31st, 2009, 10:24 AM

The EX1R is much more comfortable to hand hold than the EX1. But it is still quite heavy so fatigue is till an issue. What about a monopod?

Graeme Fullick · October 31st, 2009, 03:44 PM

As usual, Alistair is right on the money here - I use my EX1 on a monopod most of the time - its a great combo. Allows you to run and gun quite well and do a whole lot of other shots that you can't do hand held (like crane shots).

If you don't like monopods, there are a number of shoulder mount solutions around that others have given favourable commment. I have the "El Cheapo" one that Phil Bloom promoted - and it is quite OK, but I still prefer the monopod.

Chris Li · October 31st, 2009, 04:08 PM

Never used one, but it looks promising.

WristShot-Hoodman Corporation

Rick DeBari · October 31st, 2009, 08:13 PM

Thanks again for all the great information guys!

Is there a good, reasonably-priced belt mounted support that would work with the EX1 series? Like a poors man's steadicam except a simpler device??

Barry J. Weckesser · October 31st, 2009, 08:35 PM

I have found this unit with the telescoping arm and using a belt support very comfortable to use for extended periods. It takes all the weight off your hands. Shape WLB - SPIDER II camera support - SP2200 and the belt is here :Shape WLB - The list of our products

Adam Stanislav · November 2nd, 2009, 02:12 PM

Barry, this may be a dumb question, but how do you focus, zoom, etc, with that SPIDER II support? I mean it has two handles, so I am assuming you are supposed to hold it with both hands for stability. So, is it only meant for autofocus? Or for a high DoF?

October 29th, 2009, 07:49 AM	#17
Heath McKnight MPS Digital Studios Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Palm Beach County, Florida Posts: 8,531	The EX1R addresses issues I've had with the EX1, which I am a big fan, and seems to incorporate features I was used to in older models (V1u, Z1u). The PMW350 seems to be the ultimate camera! I can't wait to learn more. Watching the video now with Bob Ott and Mel Medina. Heath __________________ My Final Cut Pro X blog

October 30th, 2009, 11:23 PM	#18
Rick DeBari New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlestown, RI Posts: 14	Sounds Awesome but I just wish the EX1-R... I wish this camera was not over about 4.5 lbs, had a built-in hard drive option or used standard, inexpensive SD cards(the memory stick adapter is lame). For goodness sake, when the heck is someone going to make an SXS->SD card adapter for the EX-1? Other than those items it looks great. Just need to see what the price is going to be I guess..

October 31st, 2009, 02:30 AM	#19
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	The EX1R is a professional level camera. Most pro users don't won't to risk valuable material buy using fragile hard drives in the field or uncertain consumer grade media. SD card adapters do exist and many people on these forums are using them. I was one of the people that discovered the original Kensington adapter/SD card combo. However I still shoot on SxS as I know that it will work, without any issue, in any mode. I do have adapters and SD cards in my kit, but these are for emergencies only as they just don't give me the confidence that SxS does. __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

October 31st, 2009, 10:24 AM	#25
Alister Chapman Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Bracknell, Berkshire, UK Posts: 4,957	The EX1R is much more comfortable to hand hold than the EX1. But it is still quite heavy so fatigue is till an issue. What about a monopod? __________________ Alister Chapman, Film-Maker/Stormchaser http://www.xdcam-user.com/alisters-blog/ My XDCAM site and blog. http://www.hurricane-rig.com

October 31st, 2009, 03:44 PM	#26
Graeme Fullick Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 337	As usual, Alistair is right on the money here - I use my EX1 on a monopod most of the time - its a great combo. Allows you to run and gun quite well and do a whole lot of other shots that you can't do hand held (like crane shots). If you don't like monopods, there are a number of shoulder mount solutions around that others have given favourable commment. I have the "El Cheapo" one that Phil Bloom promoted - and it is quite OK, but I still prefer the monopod. __________________ Graeme

October 31st, 2009, 09:35 AM	#23
Rick DeBari New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlestown, RI Posts: 14	Thanks for the info folks! I was aware that people had tried SxS work-arounds using SxS/SD card readers but I wasn't aware there were specific models that were tested specifically for the EX1R. This now makes me less afraid of going with the EX1R as the media costs scared me. My only concern is the weight factor now. I do quite a bit of handheld shots at live events. Are lengthy handheld shots impractical with the EX1/R due to the weight factor? Thanks, Rick

October 31st, 2009, 09:57 AM	#24
Ron Wilk Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Parkland Florida Posts: 407	It weighs 6 lbs 2 oz with one SXS card and the standard battery and I understand that it still tends to lean to the left. I personally found the original Ex1 to be quite uncomfortable (wrist fatigue) when hand held for any more than ten minutes at a time but that was my experience, your's may be different. In addition, there has been some alleged improvement in the grip position but the only way to realistically address your concern is to try it for yourself. Because I found the camera to be unwieldy when hand held, I actually opted for the EX3, which, when coupled with one of the extended plates is IMO more easily supported but others will take issue with that statement and in the end, it is a personal decision.

October 31st, 2009, 04:08 PM	#27
Chris Li Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wash. DC area Posts: 154	Hoodman Wristshot Never used one, but it looks promising. WristShot-Hoodman Corporation

October 31st, 2009, 08:13 PM	#28
Rick DeBari New Boot Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Charlestown, RI Posts: 14	Thanks again for all the great information guys! Is there a good, reasonably-priced belt mounted support that would work with the EX1 series? Like a poors man's steadicam except a simpler device??

October 31st, 2009, 08:35 PM	#29
Barry J. Weckesser Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 427	I have found this unit with the telescoping arm and using a belt support very comfortable to use for extended periods. It takes all the weight off your hands. Shape WLB - SPIDER II camera support - SP2200 and the belt is here :Shape WLB - The list of our products

November 2nd, 2009, 02:12 PM	#30
Adam Stanislav Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Rhinelander, WI Posts: 1,258	Barry, this may be a dumb question, but how do you focus, zoom, etc, with that SPIDER II support? I mean it has two handles, so I am assuming you are supposed to hold it with both hands for stability. So, is it only meant for autofocus? Or for a high DoF?