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Old July 4th, 2020, 12:25 AM   #31
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Re: Do filmmakers tell the cast and crew where the money is coming from in these case

Well, you certainly shouldn't borrow the money! So your own pocket is the only likely source isn't it.

Ryan, one thing you never ever do is comment on the MAJOR snags we mention. Somebody makes a hugely important comment based on what we know about you, but you ignore 90% of the post content and only comment on the unimportant stuff.

We are seriously concerned you are wasting your money. You want to create something that you cannot do, with the budget, your skills, other people's willingness to participate, equipment, locations, sets etc etc

You are essentially doing what a small child does. Getting fixated on the end product and totally disregarding and obstacles in the way..

You still don't even know which role is best for you. You are totally unwilling to even consider this - you just want to make this movie. You have pinned the restaurant menu to your door, and have no idea who the chef is, who the suppliers are, who will wait on tables, who is doing the cleaning and washing up, or how many tables you have. You just tinker with the menu on the door. NOBODY is inside and NOBODY is phoning up for tables - but you keep showing people the menu.

Get a grip.

My guess is that you won't even respond to this question at all, and just ask another question, here or on other forums where your failed attempt to be a new person clearly failed again. Even worse, the people there remember your last persona, and remember the same questions from years ago. Do you really not understand how silly this makes you appear? Everyone is gently teasing you about your multiple names, and you have such silly excuses for it. Do you see how unprofessional you are acting, yet constantly you mention your desire for professional acceptance.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 12:38 AM   #32
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Re: Do filmmakers tell the cast and crew where the money is coming from in these case

I honestly don't think he DOES see it that way...remember, we're talking about someone who thinks very differently than most of us do.

Ryan, homie, let's say you do self fund this thing and it's all for nothing...no payday, not even making your money back. WILL YOU BE OKAY IF THAT HAPPENS? Will you be homeless and penniless or still able to survive?
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Old July 4th, 2020, 01:33 AM   #33
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In another forum, he now seems to be fixated on coincidences in his script, even though he seems to be aware thar these occur all the time in films. "Dr Zhivago" is full of them, "LA Confidential" has a number of them, James Bond seems to run into them, "Casablanca" is about one. MOVIE REALITY, Pt. 1: Coincidences That Work https://gointothestory.blcklst.com/t...s-2e52de53c906

I suspect, like the pub film director, Ryan likes talking about the details or rather having other people talking about the details of his future movie on forums. However, he doesn't seem to be able to make the next decisive step and make use of the information, so, he just goes around in circles.

In the end, it's how you do it, just like coincidences in a film, it's how you use them within the story and that's down to the person doing the actual work and the decisions make when putting a film together. There are no easy answers from a few lines on a forum, it comes from hard digging at the rock face.

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Old July 4th, 2020, 04:40 AM   #34
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I think this movie of his is an excise in distraction, an escape from daily life and concerns about future. So he doesnít respond or ignores any input that questions should he do it. The only way he can afford to do this for so many years is concentrate on all the aspects that donít cost money ie script writing, planning, watching movies, talking about the minutiae on forums, directing and bringing in people who use their own equipment.

Itís really no surprise he canít get funding with that terrible script and his lack of skill, experience and proven track record being able to pull off sometime of this complexity.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 11:21 AM   #35
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Re: Do filmmakers tell the cast and crew where the money is coming from in these case

Oh well I didn't think an unknown newcomer could get much funding though. But I could use my money and just attempt to get a cast and crew and make the movie if that's best.

I think of the reasons I have trouble taking the next step after receiving advice is that there are pros and cons in each piece of advice, and so I am not sure which to choose after therefore. The advice is definitely good, it's just different pieces of advice, with pros and cons in each. I can try to work on that.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 11:35 AM   #36
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Okay thanks for the help. Right now I have 50K to use, and can try to raise more.
What happened to your 50k?
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Old July 4th, 2020, 11:45 AM   #37
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I can still use it technically, I was just advised by others that I am spending too much and need to cut it down, or at least try to get funding from somewhere else.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 12:20 PM   #38
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I assume from a personal risk point of view.

Assuming Canadian dollars, that's still a very low budget for a feature film, especially if you're paying people. .
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Old July 4th, 2020, 12:54 PM   #39
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I can still use it technically, I was just advised by others that I am spending too much and need to cut it down, or at least try to get funding from somewhere else.
I was the one who warned you that it's highly likely that you'll lose all the money you put into this movie whether it's your money or someone else's. And whether you were prepared for that out come. But like most things we say to you they seem to have no effect.

50k might not be a lot for a movie budget but it's nothing to sneeze at and this environment where you can't get a job for who knows how long it be fool hardy to pour that into some risky project.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 01:26 PM   #40
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Yeah for sure. I was advised to make it 10K and people said that more of a reasonable loss, so I am trying to get the budget down that low. What you said had an effect for sure, yes, and that is why I am trying to do it for less now.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 02:11 PM   #41
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Re: Do filmmakers tell the cast and crew where the money is coming from in these case

That's about the budget for some of the short films made here, it used to be a lot higher when being shot on film.

You won't be able to pay anyone on that budget, so I would forget about that.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 02:14 PM   #42
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Re: Do filmmakers tell the cast and crew where the money is coming from in these case

Yeah that's the thing, for sure, I want to be able to pay people. So I am wondering what would be a reasonable compromise, since I am told I am spending too much on it.
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Old July 4th, 2020, 02:15 PM   #43
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Ideally if you had supreme confidence in your abilities and a proven track record it be nice to spend more to achieve better results. It's hard to say whether 10k is enough or if it would be better to put this whole project on ice.

I understand the appeal of doing your own movie where you have complete freedom to do whatever you want. But you should have thought long and hard about the money needed to adequately produce such a project and the very real risk of losing all that money. That's why most if not all of us here stick to paying gigs instead of these self funded passion projects.

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Old July 4th, 2020, 04:04 PM   #44
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Oh okay. Well it's hard to get a track record without spending money though, isn't it? It would probably cost more than 10 K just to get a better a track record I think. Unless I use my payed gigs as a track record?
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Old July 4th, 2020, 04:39 PM   #45
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I can understand people telling you that it was costing too much and I suspect it may be a reflection on your current experience.

Working as a boom operator doesn't give you a track record as a director.
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