Camera Mounted LCD Monitors

Jim Giberti · February 3rd, 2004, 05:21 PM

<<The NEB50XL is 960 x 234 with a total of 224,640 pixels.
The Panasonic TC-7WMS1 is 234 vertical x 480 horizontal x 3 with a total of 336,960 pixels.>>

It's pretty bad marketing on Panny's part, because that 3x is both hard to grasp and missing in the specifications at places like B&H. On paper it looks like a 124k resolution. What is the comparable NIT of the 5" and the 7"? Is the Panny a good outdoor screen? I've owned the Nebtek 5" so I'm very familiar with it's daylight performance (which is great).

It was a resolution issue for me, and I'm really not comfortable on critical shoots with anything less than an Hi Res CRT like the 8045Q. That said, a bunch of upcoming travel shoots won't accomodate it, so I'm back looking for the best res LCD I can pack ight for flight.

Rob DuBree · February 3rd, 2004, 05:45 PM

I couldn't agree with you more. The first question anyone asks me is "What is the resolution?". If they could only come up with a standard resolution that anyone could recognize it would be a much easier sale for me.

The Panasonic NIT lists at not less than 300 cd/m.
The NEB50XL NIT lists at not less than 350 cd/m.

I actually like the NEB50XL better for outdoors (Sundance, Lake Powell, Moab), but I love the picture on the Panasonic when I'm in the studio. As far as replacing a CRT, I just got my hands on the new Panasonic BT-LH900P HD LCD monitor and it is amazing!
Unfortunately when I saw the price I almost had a coronary, and it is bulky monster (forget about mounting it on your camera).

I hear that they are now making the rental lists at most camera houses. It might be a great opportunity to check one out if it is a short shoot and you can get production to pay for it.

Jim Giberti · February 3rd, 2004, 05:57 PM

Rob, is there a # I can reach you at later this week? I'd like to talk about te 7' conversion etc.

Rob DuBree · February 4th, 2004, 11:15 AM

9:30AM - 5:30PM, Mountain Time
801-467-1920

Gareth Trezise · February 8th, 2004, 06:11 PM

Anyone know of a UK supplier of these Panasonic LCD monitors?

Rob DuBree · February 9th, 2004, 10:50 AM

Pro Active UK Ltd.- Neil Hart
18 Brickfields Industrial Estate
Finway Road
Hemel Hempstead, Herts
+44 (0) 1442 253313

Hope this helps...

John Locke · February 9th, 2004, 06:29 PM

Wakarimasu, Rob. Amazing how many ex-gaijins I bump into now.

For now, I'm going to go with the "under battery" solution by Varizoom. Eventually though, probably this year, I'll be looking at getting a larger monitor.

Alexis Vazquez · February 11th, 2004, 09:02 PM

I bought my Nebtek 5" like about a year, it's a great TFT, I only use it whth Tripods and I also made a custom adapter to atached on the back of the camera insteed of using it with the shoe mount, this way I can use the shoemount for on light . The Neb Tek is the way to go.

Alexis

G. Randy Brown · February 14th, 2004, 04:07 PM

Howdy,
I've been putting up with an el cheapo "Starvision" 7 inch LCD monitor that I bought on E Bay (designed for a car but with a shoe mount installed) that is worthless outdoors and the resolution is terrible. After reading this thread I gotta get me one of these 5" Nebteks everyone is talking about. Is there a difference between this:

http://www.zgc.com/zgc.nsf/0/1f4288e...5?OpenDocument

and

http://www.nebtek.com/5inch/NEB50Xlpage.html

other than the price?
TIA,
Randy

Ken Tanaka · February 14th, 2004, 07:40 PM

To my knowledge they are the same. ZGC is reselling the Nebtek monitor.

G. Randy Brown · February 29th, 2004, 10:42 AM

Thanks Ken,
I'm sorry to drag this up again everyone, but I have more questions regarding the Nebtek50XL.
As I mentioned above, I already own a (don't laugh) Starvision 7" LCD monitor (that mounts with a cheesy plastic shoe mount) and a 10 pound battery I have to lug around. The resolution claims to be 234 X 1440 (but I never use 16:9). I love the fact that the Nebtek50XL uses the little Canon baterries but I'd like to know that the Nebtek will indeed make a BIG difference from what I already have. I'm trying to compare apples to apples here, I know the Nebtek's resolution is 960 x 234 but I don't know how that compares to a 16:9 display of 234 X 1440 or if resolution is even important in picture quality. The Nebtek has 224,640 pixels but I don't know the pixel count of my "Starvision". I do know that the color is not representing what the camera records but the image is sharp enough if I turn down (way down) the default color setting. I also know it is useless in the sunlight and I need something I can use in the sun (even if I need to buy another Hoodman (is there another option for a hood, the velcro doesn't hold very well after a few uses).

Thanks very much guys,
Randy

Aaron Koolen · March 30th, 2004, 06:37 AM

Just found this thread, and I was wondering if the Neb50XL would work with the XM2 camera also? I imagine it would with the right video output cable?

Cheers
Aaron

G. Randy Brown · March 30th, 2004, 10:37 AM

Hey Aaron, I went to the link you posted but couldn't find out where to get the free meat : O
Just kidding...sorry. Actually, if the XM2 has an RCA video output it should work fine, right guys?
Randy

Dan Marker · April 11th, 2004, 08:33 AM

the varizoom doesn't offer a 7" and the nebtek's 7" costs too much

what about adding a TM-7002S (Black) 7" TFT LCD Monitor (Panasonic LCD panel) my guy says he can get me one for $150 - could I just get that?

thanks

Dan Marker · April 11th, 2004, 11:45 AM

that or the PYLE® 7.2 INCH LCD COLOR MONITOR I got a friend that will sell me this for about $75 mint condition

February 3rd, 2004, 05:45 PM	#47
Rob DuBree NEBTEK Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 54	I couldn't agree with you more. The first question anyone asks me is "What is the resolution?". If they could only come up with a standard resolution that anyone could recognize it would be a much easier sale for me. The Panasonic NIT lists at not less than 300 cd/m. The NEB50XL NIT lists at not less than 350 cd/m. I actually like the NEB50XL better for outdoors (Sundance, Lake Powell, Moab), but I love the picture on the Panasonic when I'm in the studio. As far as replacing a CRT, I just got my hands on the new Panasonic BT-LH900P HD LCD monitor and it is amazing! Unfortunately when I saw the price I almost had a coronary, and it is bulky monster (forget about mounting it on your camera). I hear that they are now making the rental lists at most camera houses. It might be a great opportunity to check one out if it is a short shoot and you can get production to pay for it. __________________ Robz

February 4th, 2004, 11:15 AM	#49
Rob DuBree NEBTEK Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 54	9:30AM - 5:30PM, Mountain Time 801-467-1920 __________________ Robz

February 9th, 2004, 10:50 AM	#51
Rob DuBree NEBTEK Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 54	Pro Active UK Ltd.- Neil Hart 18 Brickfields Industrial Estate Finway Road Hemel Hempstead, Herts +44 (0) 1442 253313 Hope this helps... __________________ Robz

February 9th, 2004, 06:29 PM	#52
John Locke Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austin, TX USA Posts: 2,882	Wakarimasu, Rob. Amazing how many ex-gaijins I bump into now. For now, I'm going to go with the "under battery" solution by Varizoom. Eventually though, probably this year, I'll be looking at getting a larger monitor. __________________ John Locke SursumFilms.com

February 14th, 2004, 07:40 PM	#55
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	To my knowledge they are the same. ZGC is reselling the Nebtek monitor. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

February 3rd, 2004, 05:21 PM	#46
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	<<The NEB50XL is 960 x 234 with a total of 224,640 pixels. The Panasonic TC-7WMS1 is 234 vertical x 480 horizontal x 3 with a total of 336,960 pixels.>> It's pretty bad marketing on Panny's part, because that 3x is both hard to grasp and missing in the specifications at places like B&H. On paper it looks like a 124k resolution. What is the comparable NIT of the 5" and the 7"? Is the Panny a good outdoor screen? I've owned the Nebtek 5" so I'm very familiar with it's daylight performance (which is great). It was a resolution issue for me, and I'm really not comfortable on critical shoots with anything less than an Hi Res CRT like the 8045Q. That said, a bunch of upcoming travel shoots won't accomodate it, so I'm back looking for the best res LCD I can pack ight for flight.

February 3rd, 2004, 05:57 PM	#48
Jim Giberti Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bethel, VT Posts: 824	Rob, is there a # I can reach you at later this week? I'd like to talk about te 7' conversion etc.

February 8th, 2004, 06:11 PM	#50
Gareth Trezise Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: UK Posts: 83	Anyone know of a UK supplier of these Panasonic LCD monitors?

February 11th, 2004, 09:02 PM	#53
Alexis Vazquez Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 188	I bought my Nebtek 5" like about a year, it's a great TFT, I only use it whth Tripods and I also made a custom adapter to atached on the back of the camera insteed of using it with the shoe mount, this way I can use the shoemount for on light . The Neb Tek is the way to go. Alexis

February 14th, 2004, 04:07 PM	#54
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Howdy, I've been putting up with an el cheapo "Starvision" 7 inch LCD monitor that I bought on E Bay (designed for a car but with a shoe mount installed) that is worthless outdoors and the resolution is terrible. After reading this thread I gotta get me one of these 5" Nebteks everyone is talking about. Is there a difference between this: http://www.zgc.com/zgc.nsf/0/1f4288e...5?OpenDocument and http://www.nebtek.com/5inch/NEB50Xlpage.html other than the price? TIA, Randy

February 29th, 2004, 10:42 AM	#56
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Thanks Ken, I'm sorry to drag this up again everyone, but I have more questions regarding the Nebtek50XL. As I mentioned above, I already own a (don't laugh) Starvision 7" LCD monitor (that mounts with a cheesy plastic shoe mount) and a 10 pound battery I have to lug around. The resolution claims to be 234 X 1440 (but I never use 16:9). I love the fact that the Nebtek50XL uses the little Canon baterries but I'd like to know that the Nebtek will indeed make a BIG difference from what I already have. I'm trying to compare apples to apples here, I know the Nebtek's resolution is 960 x 234 but I don't know how that compares to a 16:9 display of 234 X 1440 or if resolution is even important in picture quality. The Nebtek has 224,640 pixels but I don't know the pixel count of my "Starvision". I do know that the color is not representing what the camera records but the image is sharp enough if I turn down (way down) the default color setting. I also know it is useless in the sunlight and I need something I can use in the sun (even if I need to buy another Hoodman (is there another option for a hood, the velcro doesn't hold very well after a few uses). Thanks very much guys, Randy

March 30th, 2004, 06:37 AM	#57
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Just found this thread, and I was wondering if the Neb50XL would work with the XM2 camera also? I imagine it would with the right video output cable? Cheers Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

March 30th, 2004, 10:37 AM	#58
G. Randy Brown Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Cruces, NM Posts: 288	Hey Aaron, I went to the link you posted but couldn't find out where to get the free meat : O Just kidding...sorry. Actually, if the XM2 has an RCA video output it should work fine, right guys? Randy

April 11th, 2004, 08:33 AM	#59
Dan Marker New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 22	the varizoom doesn't offer a 7" and the nebtek's 7" costs too much what about adding a TM-7002S (Black) 7" TFT LCD Monitor (Panasonic LCD panel) my guy says he can get me one for $150 - could I just get that? thanks

April 11th, 2004, 11:45 AM	#60
Dan Marker New Boot Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 22	that or the PYLE® 7.2 INCH LCD COLOR MONITOR I got a friend that will sell me this for about $75 mint condition