Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q3Q4)

DJ Kinney · September 27th, 2005, 03:12 PM

Bad news. Thanks, Edward. Maybe in Vegas 7. :-(

Frank Delucia · September 27th, 2005, 03:17 PM

I'm trying to just get a good render right now - since the .AVI wouldn't play without the images jumpy (on another PC).

So I rendered to MPEG2 (which I think is required for DVD creation anyway??) - and it played without jumping on the other PC. But it did crash windows media player with a memory error (on the other PC!). So I think that the virus software and other suggestions you have made might help that.

What is the best format to render to (.AVI vs MPEG2)?

Edward Troxel · September 27th, 2005, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Delucia

What is the best format to render to (.AVI vs MPEG2)?

It depends on what you are doing. If you're going to DVD, rendering to MPEG2 is fine. If you want to keep a higher quality file, render to AVI. Now, you didn't specify what format of AVI you were using. Common is DV-AVI which should play quite well. However, if you go to "Uncompressed" AVI, it could certainly stutter and takes a LOT more disk space.

Frank Delucia · September 27th, 2005, 03:31 PM

I could not find DV-AVI as an option when I render.

Is that just using NTSC DV as the template?

Why would using MPEG-2, which goes on a DVD, be lesser quality? I'm confused - wouldn't DVD want a better quality?

Edward Troxel · September 27th, 2005, 05:05 PM

Yes, pick "AVI" as the file type and then NTSC DV as the preset. That is DV-AVI.

MPEG2 is much more highly compressed than DV. For example, if you put 2 hours on a DVD, you're taking 26Gig of source and compressing that to just over 4 Gig. And, yes, that will reduce the quality - especially if you're wanting to do future editing.

Frank Delucia · September 27th, 2005, 05:16 PM

Ok - I'm starting to understand - I think.

So, I created each "chapter" as a different Vegas project. I thought I would render each of these to .AVI (since they are made up of .AVI and JPG anyway). I didn't think I would be losing any quality with this.

Each of these .AVI segments would then be put into a new project that put the whole thing together.

That's when I realized that the .AVI wasn't working well. Should a NTSC DV .AVI play on another PC with WINDOWS MEDIA player? Or is that NTSC DV only going to play in Vegas?

How can I make sure that a file I render is good quality? Will rendering be affected by virus software, or will it simply slow down while something like that runs?

Edward Troxel · September 27th, 2005, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Delucia

Should a NTSC DV .AVI play on another PC with WINDOWS MEDIA player? Or is that NTSC DV only going to play in Vegas?

How can I make sure that a file I render is good quality? Will rendering be affected by virus software, or will it simply slow down while something like that runs?

Yes, a DV-AVI file should play fine on another PC with WMP. Virus software would simply slow things down.

Laurence Kingston · September 27th, 2005, 08:52 PM

Are you using Vegas 6b by chance. 6c clears up a bug that crashes Vegas during memory intensive renders.

Peter Moore · September 27th, 2005, 11:42 PM

Occasionally when I render a timeline in Vegas (24p), I find that it is inserting a duplicate frame at some point in the timeline. When I then overlay the new rendered footage over the old region, it is not frame accurate! It is off by one frame! It only seems to happen with codecs other than DV.

And the duplicate frame happens in exactly the same spot each time!

Any ideas??

James Binder · September 28th, 2005, 12:27 AM

Thanks Edward --

Will do. Wasn't sure where to find you as I've only known you from these boards.

Will redirect all matters excalibur to there in the future!

John McGinley · September 28th, 2005, 12:30 AM

Thanks Laurence, I am using B, I hadn't checked for an update in a while. I did get it to finally render though. I have an ASUS motherboard that has automatic overclocking and I didn't notice that because I haven't had this many crashes before, but I set it to STANDARD and it rendered fine. It must have been overheating. But I will definately check out 6c. Thanks again.

As an aside I'd like to mention that the Gearshift plugin rocks on multiple levels. It made editing all that HDV footage a breeze. Those VASST fellas make some nice stuff.

Edward Troxel · September 28th, 2005, 07:28 AM

If you downloaded yesterday, you may want to check back today and get the new 4.6 version. Click on the What's new in version 4.6? button for details on some of the changes in this version.

Laurence Kingston · September 28th, 2005, 07:28 AM

Gearshift is really cool, but IMO Cineform's ConnectHD is the way to go for HD.

Patrick King · September 28th, 2005, 09:42 AM

I can get in today. And Excalibur 4.6 is out? Thanks Edward!

Edward Troxel · September 28th, 2005, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick King

And Excalibur 4.6 is out?

Yep. Just made it visible this morning. Click on the "What's New" link to see the major changes. Pay particular attention to the new Quick Label tool!

September 27th, 2005, 05:05 PM	#770
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, pick "AVI" as the file type and then NTSC DV as the preset. That is DV-AVI. MPEG2 is much more highly compressed than DV. For example, if you put 2 hours on a DVD, you're taking 26Gig of source and compressing that to just over 4 Gig. And, yes, that will reduce the quality - especially if you're wanting to do future editing. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 27th, 2005, 11:42 PM	#774
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Frame Accuracy??? Occasionally when I render a timeline in Vegas (24p), I find that it is inserting a duplicate frame at some point in the timeline. When I then overlay the new rendered footage over the old region, it is not frame accurate! It is off by one frame! It only seems to happen with codecs other than DV. And the duplicate frame happens in exactly the same spot each time! Any ideas??

September 28th, 2005, 07:28 AM	#777
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you downloaded yesterday, you may want to check back today and get the new 4.6 version. Click on the What's new in version 4.6? button for details on some of the changes in this version. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

September 28th, 2005, 09:42 AM	#779
Patrick King Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Enterprise, AL Posts: 857	I can get in today. And Excalibur 4.6 is out? Thanks Edward! __________________ Fear No Weevil!

September 27th, 2005, 03:12 PM	#766
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	Bad news. Thanks, Edward. Maybe in Vegas 7. :-(

September 27th, 2005, 03:17 PM	#767
Frank Delucia New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 21	I'm trying to just get a good render right now - since the .AVI wouldn't play without the images jumpy (on another PC). So I rendered to MPEG2 (which I think is required for DVD creation anyway??) - and it played without jumping on the other PC. But it did crash windows media player with a memory error (on the other PC!). So I think that the virus software and other suggestions you have made might help that. What is the best format to render to (.AVI vs MPEG2)?

September 27th, 2005, 03:31 PM	#769
Frank Delucia New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 21	I could not find DV-AVI as an option when I render. Is that just using NTSC DV as the template? Why would using MPEG-2, which goes on a DVD, be lesser quality? I'm confused - wouldn't DVD want a better quality?

September 27th, 2005, 05:16 PM	#771
Frank Delucia New Boot Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 21	Ok - I'm starting to understand - I think. So, I created each "chapter" as a different Vegas project. I thought I would render each of these to .AVI (since they are made up of .AVI and JPG anyway). I didn't think I would be losing any quality with this. Each of these .AVI segments would then be put into a new project that put the whole thing together. That's when I realized that the .AVI wasn't working well. Should a NTSC DV .AVI play on another PC with WINDOWS MEDIA player? Or is that NTSC DV only going to play in Vegas? How can I make sure that a file I render is good quality? Will rendering be affected by virus software, or will it simply slow down while something like that runs?

September 27th, 2005, 08:52 PM	#773
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	Are you using Vegas 6b by chance. 6c clears up a bug that crashes Vegas during memory intensive renders.

September 28th, 2005, 12:27 AM	#775
James Binder Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NY, NYC Posts: 367	Thanks Edward -- Will do. Wasn't sure where to find you as I've only known you from these boards. Will redirect all matters excalibur to there in the future!

September 28th, 2005, 12:30 AM	#776
John McGinley Regular Crew Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 142	Thanks Laurence, I am using B, I hadn't checked for an update in a while. I did get it to finally render though. I have an ASUS motherboard that has automatic overclocking and I didn't notice that because I haven't had this many crashes before, but I set it to STANDARD and it rendered fine. It must have been overheating. But I will definately check out 6c. Thanks again. As an aside I'd like to mention that the Gearshift plugin rocks on multiple levels. It made editing all that HDV footage a breeze. Those VASST fellas make some nice stuff.

September 28th, 2005, 07:28 AM	#778
Laurence Kingston Major Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Clermont, FL. Posts: 941	Gearshift is really cool, but IMO Cineform's ConnectHD is the way to go for HD.