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Peter Jefferson September 3rd, 2003 12:21 PM

hmm..
this usually happens on the PC end..

i know some AVI files are huge and wnblows wont allow a defrag, but is there any way to clean up your HD ?

what kind is it?

usually drives with low cache experience this

Mark Monciardini September 3rd, 2003 12:29 PM

Hi Peter. After reading on the Sonic Foundry boards it seems to be a major problem.

I have a custom built PC with a SCSI SeaGate 15,000 RPM drive 18 gig.

I'll try and defrag and see if that helps. Thanks.

Robert Poulton September 3rd, 2003 02:33 PM

Edit log
 
I'm just wondering if from Vegas I can export a spreadsheet of the clips in the timeline and when they start/end and when cuts/effects/transitions take place. I am not at my computer so I cannot see if there is anything I can do. But I know that there must be a way to do it. Or I think there might be a script that we could write.

Rob

Edward Troxel September 3rd, 2003 02:47 PM

Take a look at the Edit Details screen. You can copy and paste the information from that screen.

Robert Poulton September 3rd, 2003 04:02 PM

Thanks Edward. I'll do that once I get home in 20min. hehe off to editing.

Rob

Don Parrish September 4th, 2003 04:55 AM

Will vegas 4 handle new HD format
 
I will be getting V4 soon now and was reading the tech stuff for the new canon - sony - JVC - Sharp format. Sonic foundry's knowledge base search feature came up with the following info on supporting High Definition.

Editing
High Definition editing and output
Vegas 4.0 supports HD editing and rendering, including output to 1080/60i, 1080/30p, 1080/24p, 720/60p, 720/30p, and 720/24p. Output high definition video to .AVI, .MOV, MPEG-2, Windows Media 9 Series, RealVideo 9, .PNG and .JPEG sequences. Work with project sizes up to 2048x2048.

Will the 25p format planned by the canon - sony deal throw a curve to Vegas 4? It looked like they had planned on 24p.

Thanks

Peter Jefferson September 4th, 2003 05:04 AM

well, the drive isnt lacking thats for sure, even a defrag wont do much to help it, but you never know.

its a common problem, but as i dont print to tape, i really dont have any more ideas... :(

Edward Troxel September 4th, 2003 07:08 AM

Vegas is pretty well format agnostic. However, it cannot capture or print some formats. For example, it can EDIT HD, it just can't capture it or put it back to tape. With 24p, it can capture, edit, and print. I don't know about the new canon format but isn't 25p simply PAL?

Glen Elliott September 4th, 2003 08:23 AM

Mark I don't know if this has anything to do with your problem but SoFo recommends your final output to be standard 2-3 pulldown. So if you shoot in 24pAdvanced mode (w/ 2-3-3-2 pulldown) you should capture using the 24p template (that removes pulldown) do all prerenders with 2-3-3-2 but for final output it should be changed to 2-3.
Check out more info here:
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/S...ssageID=175137

Hope this helps, though I'm skeptical this would affect your audio cutting out during export. Anything is worth a try!

Glen Elliott September 4th, 2003 08:25 AM

Yeah the PAL Canon GL-2 and XL-1s frame mode is 25p?!

Peter Moore September 4th, 2003 08:46 AM

Yes.

so wait, the new Canon-JVC HD format calls for 25p???? this is not Europe! Where is 24p?

Don Parrish September 4th, 2003 11:07 AM

How can one edit HD if they can't capture it??

Glen Elliott September 4th, 2003 11:24 AM

Video shearing in preview window of NLE on my LCD
 
I'm noticing what best can be described as video shearing in my preview window in Vegas during pans. Can LCD displays cause this? I know they can cause ghosting/blurring from slower pixel response times but is image artifacting/shearing a possiblility as well. Oddly enough I don't notice any ghosting during fast applications like games, etc probably due to the fact my display boasts a 16ms pixel response and is actually marketed towards gamers. Yet I still see this odd shearing during footage of slow continuous movement (ie durning slow to medium paced pans). Does anyone have any insight into this?

Glen Elliott September 4th, 2003 11:28 AM

....by use of a 3rd party capture application like Sceenalizer. I think Sceenalizer can capture HD, someone who has experience with this product might know for sure.

Edward Troxel September 4th, 2003 12:58 PM

Capturing and printing HD will require a separate application and the necessary hardware to sustain that datarate. Once captured, Vegas can edit it. However, you will have to use the third party hardware/software combination to get it back out of the computer.

Scenalyzer will not do HD (as far as I know).

Don Parrish September 4th, 2003 06:01 PM

I did get a reply from sonic, they basically stated the same thing,

"Thanks for writing. You will have to capture with a different program and then do your editing in Vegas 4.0. Vegas 4.0 can only capture from firewire and firewire doesn't capture HD."

So what kind of output would a new HD camera have that could sustain the data rate? (I am not sure what next generation of firewire plans for data rate). What kind of computer hardware would accept it? Eide, raid? usb 2.0 isn't that much better than the present firewire.

Phil Goble September 4th, 2003 07:24 PM

Using Nero to Burn DVD Architect files (or getting DVDA to work)
 
I had no problem picking up Vegas after a day and created my first simple project with no problem. Built my simple menus in DVD Architect (version 1.c) and attempted to burn them to DVD on my Pioneer drive (with has the latest firmware). I can't seem to reliably burn DVD-R discs, although I can create DVD-RW discs.

While I would prefer to use DVDA to burn my DVD's, I purchased Nero hoping it would do the job. I get the "reallocation" errors described in the Sonic Foundry forum. I ignored the warning and successfully burned a DVD but it will only play in the PC, not my home players. I also tried to burn a DVD-ROM(UDF) and DVD-ROM(UDF/ISO) and got DVD's that read in my PC but won't play in home players (Nero warns you they won't work).

Am I using the wrong Nero options? What do I need to do to create compliant files from DVDA for Nero? Is there some secret to getting DVDA to work (I have a call into support and have posted this elsewhere).

I am considering going back to PrimoDVD (that came with the drive), but I have to admit I couldn't figure out exactly what options to use in that product (I am concerned I don't have the version necessary and would need to use the MyDVD that came bundled with the Pioneer).

Suggestions would be appreciated.

Gints Klimanis September 4th, 2003 07:59 PM

If you can make DVD-RW but not DVD-R, try different media.

For my Pioneer A04, I like TDK DVD-R 2x and Ritek DVD-R 4x (although I can only burn at 2x). For DVD-RW, I like Maxell 1x and
Ritek .

Phil Goble September 4th, 2003 08:39 PM

I am using the TDK DVD-R 2x media, because my research indicated it was a good product compatible on many players. I don't think it is a media problem, rather a problem with the DVD-Architect software.

In terms of using output from DVD-Architect to Nero, I don't know why Nero doesn't like DVD-Architect files.

Thanks for the reply.

Edward Troxel September 4th, 2003 10:35 PM

Are you using the latest version of Nero? Earlier versions had limited compatibility and still earlier versions had NO compatibility.

Peter Jefferson September 5th, 2003 04:49 AM

I'm considering using Pinnacle Impression. It also supports ac3 files and seems to be worthy of serious consideration.

On top of that it doesnt have issues with media or burning.

certain things to note with Architect is

1) It doesn't like apps which access drives while its doing its thing. This is hard when using multiple drives for media.

2) Multitasking while architect does its thing is non existent.. may as well leave it and go to bed and hope for the best

3) "Supported" drives dont make a difference to media used, as i use an A05/105 with the latest firmware and have tried 6 different disc types from different manufactures.
At the moment the ONLY workaround to all this is to burn a master to RW, test in on a RW compatible player like a PS2 (NOT PC) then use that master to burn clones using Nero or Prassi.

The reason Nero doesnt like Architect files is that Architect and nero run 2 different disc file systems.

Im now looking at my Impression CD, thinking whether or not to install it... i probably will and write off Architect as a cheap cash in on the DVD medium.

It's sad as i like being able to import markers and use them as chapter points. it saves alot of time. I also like being able to convert files in the Authoring app if i need to.. but in the end, if it ain't gonna burn my disc, i'm not gonna bother with it.
At the moment, i use it coz i have to <have some projects half done> and i use RW as a master, and even THAT is a gamble.

I use my machine for lots of other things and if i can't prepare a DVD and design a cover layout at the same time, theres no point.
PC's these days are designed to multitask. Architect is going backwards in this regard.

This weekend i'm checking out what Impression can do and if it's HALF as stable as Architect, i'll be switching.

Carlos Rego September 5th, 2003 08:50 AM

Any capture hardware compatible with Vegas ?
 
IS there any hardware boards out there that will allow real video preview straight from Vegas (widouth having to use a deck or camera thru ieee) and video output to record to analog decks

cheers

Kris Kalapala September 5th, 2003 10:00 AM

Firewire vs USB 2.0
 
Firewire has 2 specs currently.

The 400 Mbps Firewire a and the 800 Mbps Firewire b.
USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps.

Edward Troxel September 5th, 2003 02:16 PM

The PROBLEM with trying to bypass the firewire link is that your colors could be off. Graphics cards will not necessarily show the same colors as the firewire connection.

However, you can currently just resize the preview window on a second monitor connection.

Also, check out the Canopus card (I forget the full designation). It is on special by Videoguys for readers of my newsletter. It is listed in issue #10 at http://www.videoguys.com/Vegas_Tips/TTS01-10.pdf

Stephen Sobel September 5th, 2003 04:50 PM

If the graphics card has firewire, is that ok?

Edward Troxel September 5th, 2003 08:35 PM

Never seen a graphic card with a firewire connection. However, that would still require the camera as passthru.

The Canopus card is similar to the external convertor units built into a card.

Carlos Rego September 5th, 2003 09:28 PM

Edward

Thans for the tip on the canopus .. do you happen to knwo of somethign liek that with component in/out ?

cheers, and thanks for the tips

Edward Troxel September 5th, 2003 10:57 PM

Did you look at that Canopus card? I believe it HAS component in and out.

Jim Quinlan September 6th, 2003 05:48 AM

I use the canopus advc-100 (external) and it has in/out analog and digital.

Just make sure it's on a standalone firewirecard in your computer if you're using Vegas. Two of us just went through the mill debugging that problem.

Edward Troxel September 6th, 2003 06:03 AM

This canopus card "looks" like a firewire card to the system but accepts an analog signal. Here are the specs I found:

> AVCEDVio PCI card
> FireWire cable (4pin)
> Composite to S-Video conversion cable
> ACEDVio controller software CD-ROM (Windows support only)
> Vegas ® 4.0 (full version – OEM edition)
> User Manual

Digital Video in/out
> 4pin FireWire connector

IEEE 1394 in/out
> 6pin FireWire connector

Analog Video in/out
> S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) input
> S-video and composite combined (7pin miniDIN) output

Analog Audio in/out
> Stereo RCA input
> Stereo RCA output

OHCI specification
> Link layer complies with IEEE 1394 Open Host Controller Interface specification release 1.1
> Physical layer complies with IEEE 1394a-2000 (Data rate: 100/200/400Mbps)
> Modular 32-bit host interface complies with PCI Specification release 2.2

G. Randy Brown September 6th, 2003 06:33 AM

New firewire card doesn't resolve video latency with external monitor
 
I hate to drag this back up guys but I'm at my wits end (it frustrated a client yesterday almost as much as it frustrates me); after searching and reading threads here I was really hoping that I just had a funky firewire card but my new one gives the exact same results. If I slide the "sync offset" (under preferences / video device) all the way up to 12 frames I still get some latency in my monitor. Please, what the heck should I try next?
TIA,
Randy

Jeff Donald September 6th, 2003 07:14 AM

What do you mean by monitor latency?

G. Randy Brown September 6th, 2003 07:14 AM

Hey Rob
 
I also shoot in the Canon frame mode (XL1S) frequently and have a question regarding your suggestion: To "Make sure your project is set to progressive and you output as
progressive..." do I just do the following 2 steps:
1) file/project properties/video/field order = none
2)right-click all clips/properties/media/field order = none
TIA,
Randy

G. Randy Brown September 6th, 2003 07:27 AM

Thanks for your interest Jeff,
I mean with the default setting of 4 in preferences/video device/sync offset my external monitor is close to a full second behind the audio. If I shove it all the way up to 12 it's not as bad but still a little behind. The firewire card is on it's own IRQ and my PC is plenty fast (P4 3.06, 800mhz bus). I have a feeling I have something set wrong because it worked fine on the default on a slower PC I have. On another forum someone suspects my dual video card, an NVIDIA Ge Force4 MX440, sharing an IRQ with Intel(R) 82801EB USB Universal Host Controller 24D2 <i>AND</i> 24DE but I haven't heard back from them yet.
Thanks again Jeff,
Randy

Jeff Donald September 6th, 2003 07:35 AM

How much ram and what OS?

Darrell Sullivan September 6th, 2003 07:49 AM

Randy,

Are you storing your footage on the same drive as your operating system? I have experienced problems with playback through the firewire when I was reading footage off of my OS drive because of mistakenly saving it there.

G. Randy Brown September 6th, 2003 07:54 AM

Thanks guys,
>How much ram and what OS?<
1GB, XP home

>Are you storing your footage on the same drive as your operating system? <
No sir, I have a separate drive
Thanks again,
Randy

Edward Troxel September 6th, 2003 07:55 AM

Randy, there is a way to get higher values than 12 but it involves editing the registry (not generally recommended unless you really know what you are doing). However, you SHOULDN'T need that high a value which indicates SOMETHING may be wrong.

IF you wish to risk it, for full details see here:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/S...ssageID=116237


(but don't blame ME if something goes wrong)

G. Randy Brown September 6th, 2003 08:02 AM

Thanks Edward but I feel something is definitely wrong since it seems to be a rather unique problem (according to my searches here and at another forum) and I do have a rather fast system ( and I'll be paying for it for a while, so it would be nice if the damned thing worked better than my old one : )
Thanks again Edward,
Randy
Hey I just realized I'm no longer a new boot...I'm a full fledged regular crew...finally...woo-hoooo!

Jeff Donald September 6th, 2003 09:09 AM

When you get past 25 posts, you go up one notch. Congratulations.

You should have enough ram. You have only one item hooked up to the FireWire card? Do you have another video card to swap with your present one? If you do, you can test your video card theory.


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